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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIs Exxon a nation?
A nation is a group of people so I dont think Exxon qualifies as a nation, but IMO, they are definitely a strong, independent sovereignty.
Exxon has to be one of the most powerful entities in the world. They are not a USofA company, but an entity all of their own. They have zero allegiance to the USofA. They use our countrys resources, infrastructure and military, and not only dont pay for it, WE PAY them. We give them corporate welfare. We cover their risks while they keep the rewards. They are so powerful they have literally purchased some control of our government and have given themselves very large subsidies. But you wont hear anything bad about Exxon in the corp-media. Exxon pays the media large sums of money for advertising and/or share the same people on Boards of Directors with the large media corporations. The advertising money yields favorable treatment from the media.
It looks to me like globalization means the formation or creation of corporate sovereignty's.
DirkGently
(12,151 posts)In 2005 it earned a net profit of $36.1 billion, more than any corporation ever. To paraphrase a line from Paul Thomas Andersons 2007 oil movie, There Will Be Blood, Exxon Mobil sticks a straw into, and drinks, many peoples milkshakes.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/27/books/private-empire-steve-colls-book-on-exxon-mobil.html?pagewanted=all
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Hawkowl
(5,213 posts)This is nothing new. The British East India Company actually conquered and ran India for about 100 years . It is also widely forgotten that the East India Company was the one that precipitated the Boston Tea Party because it had secured a virtual monopoly of tea trading to the American colonies.
In fact the company flag is very similar to the USA flag today! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_India_Company
Corporations are inherently evil.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)had conquered the last independent native state [in India] by 1848." I am taking Western Civ III.
And I thought of Exxon when I read that. Major corporations are independent sovereignty's. During WW II Standard oil did business with both the Allies and the Germans.
valerief
(53,235 posts)steve2470
(37,457 posts)Lee Raymond = former CEO of Exxon
from: http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,2113546,00.html?xid=gonewsedit&google_editors_picks=true
FarCenter
(19,429 posts)That's the legal and regulatory framework that corporate management works in.
Any solicitude for the nation, employees, customers, public, etc. is secondary and is pursued to the extent that it is consistent with benefiting the stockholders.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)FarCenter
(19,429 posts)A sovereign excercises supreme governmental authority in a particular territory.
Exxon is a transnational corporation. It conducts business operations in multiple territories more or less in conformance with the laws of the multiple sovereigns. "More or less" because some territories may fancy that they have extraterritorial jurisdiction to impose conflicting laws on other territories, and various other territories may have relatively undeveloped legal systems.
For example, in some countries bribery is customary, yet the US attempts unilaterally to make it illegal if done by companies that also do business in the US.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)FarCenter
(19,429 posts)From their web site:
We market petrochemical products in more than 150 countries. Ninety percent of our petrochemical assets are in businesses that are ranked number 1 or number 2 in market position.
http://www.exxonmobil.com/Corporate/Newsroom/Publications/XOMGlobalCap/page_2.html
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)UTUSN
(70,740 posts)Actually more than nations. Corporations will put themselves first almost always and they have the power. Corporations are alpha, nations beta. People don't matter, only as consumers.
proud2BlibKansan
(96,793 posts)If they spent the money they spent on those commercials and used it to REALLY support education, they could make a difference.
Or they could just pay their fucking taxes. That would help.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)The commercials are aimed at improving their image so the public will sympathize with them if they destroy our environment. And the commercial income for the media, is plainly buying favorable media coverage.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)former9thward
(32,077 posts)Exxon paid $73 billion in all taxes over the last five years. That is more than most pay.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/how-much-do-oil-companies-really-pay-in-taxes/2011/05/11/AF7UNutG_story.html
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Daniel Weiss, an energy expert at CAP, countered in an analysis that put the companys U.S. federal income tax rate in 2010 at just 17.2 percent.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/how-much-do-oil-companies-really-pay-in-taxes/2011/05/11/AF7UNutG_story.html
former9thward
(32,077 posts)You have to be making fairly good money to be at that rate.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)former9thward
(32,077 posts)I just don't like falsehoods and hyperbole on the internet or anyplace else. So when someone says "Exxon does not pay anything" I am just pointing out that they are the nation's biggest taxpayer.
"The average effective federal tax rate for American taxpayers is 11%, according to an analysis of 2009 IRS data by the Tax Foundation, a non-profit research organization. For individuals with adjusted gross income of $50,000 or less, the average effective tax rate is less than 5%"
http://www.usatoday.com/money/perfi/taxes/story/2012-01-19/romney-tax-rate/52682372/1
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)But as Reuters explains, the oil industry uses a different methodology to claim it pays an artificially higher tax rate to the public. The industry lumps together U.S. and foreign taxes. It includes taxes that are deferred and thus not paid yet. U.S. companies must pay taxes on profits earned abroad, but they can defer these taxes until they bring the cash into the country. [which then gets forgiven in future years]
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2012/03/26/452213/exxon-mobils-tax-rate-drops-to-13-percent-after-making-35-percent-more-profits-in-2011/
former9thward
(32,077 posts)Any corporation or individual -- not just the oil industry -- can defer taxes on money that is earned abroad. Nice try at changing the goalposts. Do you still say Exxon "pays nothing" as you put it?
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)a refund of $156 million. In any case they are not nearly paying the corporate rate of 35%.
It's not meaning full just to say they pay a lot. They are the most profitable corporation in history. I stand by my statement that they dont pay for the services they get from the USofA. They sure didnt in 2009.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Zax2me
(2,515 posts)WillyT
(72,631 posts)& Rec !!!
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)the have the USofA military at their disposal.