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ONE PHOTO shows why Hillary Clinton will win in 2016. (Original Post) PBass Apr 2015 OP
The crossed arms stand out to me. joshcryer Apr 2015 #1
I agree, particular BHO Cosmocat Apr 2015 #11
Remember Biden said he wouldn't have made the order. joshcryer Apr 2015 #13
You read all that from a single photo? demwing Apr 2015 #17
Crossed arms is a strong signal of uncertainty. joshcryer Apr 2015 #18
Crossed arms could also mean demwing Apr 2015 #19
Oh yeah, they were freezing. joshcryer Apr 2015 #20
Im not saying it doesn't mean anything demwing Apr 2015 #21
What do you see? joshcryer Apr 2015 #22
I see a literal snapshot of one moment in time demwing Apr 2015 #26
Who knew? CANDO Apr 2015 #24
LOL. 2-shay. n/t Smarmie Doofus Apr 2015 #30
That's a good point, PBass.. If Hillary wins the nom.. this should be out there to show up the Cha Apr 2015 #2
The warmongers have already said that photo makes her look weak. Don't agree, but Hoyt Apr 2015 #3
that's a claim that's patently ridiculous cali Apr 2015 #4
Nobody else has Hillary's gravitas... a simple claim PBass Apr 2015 #7
I think it's possible Walker could and if Rubio could get the nomination cali Apr 2015 #8
Sorry, I edited my post, PBass Apr 2015 #9
Definitely not Rubio on the gravitas question: blue neen Apr 2015 #23
sorry, gravitas is not remotely the most important thing cali Apr 2015 #25
Sorry, gravitas was the subject of the OP. blue neen Apr 2015 #28
She IS her own worst enemy. But so are the GOP candidates; re: Paul last week 7962 Apr 2015 #15
I Agree...Total BS billhicks76 Apr 2015 #16
Boy was I wrong! I was sure it was going to be this one. RufusTFirefly Apr 2015 #5
Hahaha, a picture of Rupert Murdoch. (NT) PBass Apr 2015 #6
Not sure I get the logic here... Helen Borg Apr 2015 #10
Seriously? Boomer Apr 2015 #12
They should show a picture of her celebrating Khaddafi's death. Fuddnik Apr 2015 #14
Funny how the GOP never mentions Obama getting bin laden. If GOP had done it... Triana Apr 2015 #27
I like this one: UTUSN Apr 2015 #29
Oh god! AlbertCat Apr 2015 #31

joshcryer

(62,277 posts)
1. The crossed arms stand out to me.
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 05:11 AM
Apr 2015

You'll note that Obama, Biden, and Clinton are the most senior in the room without that insecure position.

Cosmocat

(14,575 posts)
11. I agree, particular BHO
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 07:46 AM
Apr 2015

I don't care what anyone says, he is tougher and sharper than even a lot of democrats are.

To me, in that picture, he is leaning forward, a pose of being totally focused, while his expression is more neutral, not scared of the situation or overwhelmed by it.

He did the best by Hill that he could after he got elected.

SOS gives her the clear foreign policy cred (in reality, now what the press does is another story) the dipshit R won't have.

joshcryer

(62,277 posts)
13. Remember Biden said he wouldn't have made the order.
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 07:49 AM
Apr 2015

As well as a few others.

Obama knew what he was doing and was determined. He has the most determined look of anyone in that room. Clinton is kind of concerned for the guys in the SEAL team, but she's not questioning Obama's decision, as are so many men in the room with their arms crossed.

joshcryer

(62,277 posts)
18. Crossed arms is a strong signal of uncertainty.
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 08:17 AM
Apr 2015

Perhaps you lack basic rudimentary experience with other peoples' body language.

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
19. Crossed arms could also mean
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 08:30 AM
Apr 2015

That they're closed for arguments, or that they're nervous. It could also mean that the AC was on and these three guys were cold.

Don't pretend you can decipher complex body language signals from a single photo, it's just silly.

joshcryer

(62,277 posts)
20. Oh yeah, they were freezing.
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 08:33 AM
Apr 2015


You can call my reading of the body language of the majority of the people in the room subjective, that's fine. But to act as if it doesn't mean anything is absolutely silly. That room is filled with emotion. I see leaders leading and followers following. That's my interpretation. If you have a problem with that, sorry.
 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
21. Im not saying it doesn't mean anything
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 08:35 AM
Apr 2015

I'm saying that we have no clue what it means, despite your magic 8 ball prediction.

joshcryer

(62,277 posts)
22. What do you see?
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 08:56 AM
Apr 2015

That's the question. I'm at least admitting to seeing something that I think is real. There's emotion there. And I think it's leadership followed by followers.

There are lots of articles about staff and advisers having doubts in Obama's decision at that moment.

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
26. I see a literal snapshot of one moment in time
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 09:28 AM
Apr 2015

that's it. There's no legitimate way to read Hillary's leadership or electability from this image.

You wrote: "I'm at least admitting to seeing something that I think is real"

No offense, but why is that of any value here?





 

CANDO

(2,068 posts)
24. Who knew?
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 09:07 AM
Apr 2015

When I cross my arms it's just more comfortable at the moment. Body language my ass!

Cha

(297,774 posts)
2. That's a good point, PBass.. If Hillary wins the nom.. this should be out there to show up the
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 05:14 AM
Apr 2015


Clown car!
 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
3. The warmongers have already said that photo makes her look weak. Don't agree, but
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 06:07 AM
Apr 2015

that will be the spin.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
4. that's a claim that's patently ridiculous
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 06:10 AM
Apr 2015

that photo doesn't demonstrate that she'll win- or lose. Personally, I fear she'll lose in the general, but I wouldn't point to a photo as being the reason. It's one of the reasons I don't support her. I think she's a lousy campaigner.

PBass

(1,537 posts)
7. Nobody else has Hillary's gravitas... a simple claim
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 06:59 AM
Apr 2015

which you did not address.

Which other candidate has Hillary's gravitas? Don't say Biden. He's a perceived as a little too comical.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
8. I think it's possible Walker could and if Rubio could get the nomination
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 07:01 AM
Apr 2015

I think he'd potentially give her a run. Lots and lots of variables.

PBass

(1,537 posts)
9. Sorry, I edited my post,
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 07:06 AM
Apr 2015

changing the conversation. Unfair to you.

Walker does not have Hillary's gravitas, not Rubio.

I don't think people want a novice in the White House in 2016. I really don't. The popularity of the Tea Party is tanking right now, the public had a good look at what "outsiders" and "non-politicians" (sic) do when they're in office. A bunch of those noobs are going to lose after one term, in 2016.

blue neen

(12,328 posts)
28. Sorry, gravitas was the subject of the OP.
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 09:31 AM
Apr 2015

I agree that it may not be the most important thing, but Rubio looks way out of his league in this speech.

 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
16. I Agree...Total BS
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 08:05 AM
Apr 2015

Some Democrats are starting to sound like Bush's PR team. And catching Bin a Laden, or killing him, doesn't make up for all unanswered question politicians like Hillary refuse to ask. If you think we can ride a static picture from the past to victory then you haven't learned much. The situation is dynamic and people don't want an Imperial Presidency which means no more Bushes or Clintons. We should not cede the campaign advantage of running against nepotism by selecting our own. It's nauseating to see how foolish people are.

Helen Borg

(3,963 posts)
10. Not sure I get the logic here...
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 07:23 AM
Apr 2015

We have one still photo. From that it is inferred that Clinton has "gravitas". From that it is inferred that she will win in 2016...
What? First of all, what is gravitas, exactly? Second, whatever it is, it is a complex attribute that would not be measurable from a single still photo. Third, there have been presidents without "gravitas"; dunno, GWB comes to mind . Do you think he had gravitas? And there have been candidates with gravitas who did not win (Gore?)...

Fuddnik

(8,846 posts)
14. They should show a picture of her celebrating Khaddafi's death.
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 07:49 AM
Apr 2015

Or a picture of when they introduce fast track TPP legislation this week.

Not "gravitas". Hutzpah.

 

Triana

(22,666 posts)
27. Funny how the GOP never mentions Obama getting bin laden. If GOP had done it...
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 09:28 AM
Apr 2015

...they'd STILL be crowing about it - louder now that we're looking at 2016.

What do I hear from Dems? ..... (chirp.........chirp)

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