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Don't you know God lives at Soldiers' Field?
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It's been over 7 years. I'll never be over it, but I haven't stopped trying to find new ways to get through it every day.

a scarce commodity, as if it's going away. Sadly, not.

It's a sign of extreme insecurity, and there's already too much of that in this world.

My concerns are mine and they are legitimate

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because I wont vote for her.

clerics who are anti choice and anti gay. You opposition to Hillary is not surprising. Several of her most active critics have made it very clear that they admire the anti gay, anti choice Pope's point of view. One suggested the Pope for President, another offered him up as a mentor to this Party. Anti gay, anti Choice, they want him to guide this Party because you see, they are very progressive people who just happen to be all straight white men promoting bigoted sexists.

Truly, I don't think anyone really gives a rip what you will or won't do.

to post fast and furiously (I think I noticed like 2400 posts on one 90 period) building up numbers, and from then until now, continue to post negativisms against many DEM personalities. There is an agenda for sure.

But I agree with the other poster just prior to mine. I think your pushing your agenda deserves a great big *meh*.

great tragedy have great perspective. And I am still heartbroken that you had/have to endure yours dear Meemie.

I read most of the rest as hyperbolic dreck on a silly discussion forum.

I won't spend 30 seconds of my time arguing about an avatar of all things. Yawn.

And when the time comes I will, as you vote for Hillary.

Again the rest is all hyperbolic dreck served up by folks who would be well served to get a hobby.

I think you are very perceptive.

I hope you aren't in a purple state.


Frankly Hillary has never once lost to a Republican and she has faced much bigger morons then the clown care now faces including Jebbie.

My hope is that if she is elected she surprises me.

I agree, I hope she surprised me by being actually for the people. It would be nice.

We got eight years of Bush/Cheney as a result of your "protest vote" strategy. He never should have won in 2000 but a small, yet critical, minority of voters wanted to "send a message" to the Democratic Party.

The next president will probably appoint two, and as many as four, U.S. Supreme Court justices. I don't know who Hillary would appoint, but I'd rather take my chances with her than with Ted Cruz. The makeup of the court can affect public life for a generation or more.

I don't believe Hillary Clinton will reverse global economic trends, stop climate change, or end U.S. militarism. But she'll probably uphold the Obama administration's agreement with Iran, whereas the GOP hopefuls have vowed to nullify it immediately. Hillary would undoubtedly continue rapprochement with Cuba. Hillary supports a functioning system of environmental regulations. She nominally believes in the science of carbon dioxide induced global warming. She's secular. She supported the DREAM Act in the senate and cosponsored a bill to permanently ban drilling for oil in ANWR.

I could waste more time explaining why I will support Hillary Clinton, or whoever the Democratic nominee is in 2016, but I won't. Suit yourself.

2nd error is assuming I ever have done a protest "no vote". I campaigned both times for Obama. I draw the line at yet other corporatist.

And if Hillary won't at least enable (Your words) "Won't reverse global economic trends, stop climate change, or end U.S. militarism." Why vote for her in the first place?

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I listed eight reasons in my earlier post, so I'm not sure what to make of your question.

Perhaps your attention was elsewhere.

Vote for whoever you want, or don't vote. It makes no difference to me. I'm voting for the Democratic candidate.

and the person won?

All the Republicans who had been using the label Democrat to profit from for all those years, pretending that running against the ideas of Jimmy Carter would be anything but personally profitable, would look like mulch.

Ted Cruz, Rick Santorum---and all the other clowns the Right Wing has lined up for 2016.

But I reserve true hatred for only my last example. I won't give them that much energy.

Maybe for some... me--- I'm fine with it.

positive thinking and rarely has positive results.

For some.

Wait, isn't this argument reversed? Aren't you the one who called US 'haters'? So I should take it as a compliment then? and here I was feeling sad about it.

Lol, I'm glad we had this little chat, I had no idea you were merely projecting.

Can't the word "hater" be a metaphor for people who go into a frenzy about stupid shit?

The word Hate simply doesn't mean the same to me as other people.

Kind of like the word fuck---it's used in so many ways.

I hate Broccoli---I hate Ted Cruz- I hate that movie, I hate Dick Cheney.

It's just a fucking word!

that we shouldn't have strong feelings about it?

I'm sure the dozens of 'quit hating my candidate!' threads here this morning are very heartfelt and earnest, but honestly. Nobody is hating your candidate. This is politics and other people are going to voice their opinions. I grew up in a place of hate and worked hard to move away from that place, I'm not seeing it here. You're not doing anybody a service by conflating other people's opinions to hate.

I am now going to move on to one of the many current threads on THE LOGO and make a comment on my honest opinion of the thing. I wonder how that will go, lol.

Enjoy your day.

Any.Republican.President.

I won't let them have that much control over my emotions.

what real breathing republicans do is control my life, my actions, my abilities to breath clean air, eat good food and have authority over my body...

...so sorry you lost your husband

"I hate getting attacked by a shark."

"I don't hate sharks."

I hate getting attacked by sharks too!

Situations.

I wish the hosts would be a little quicker to the draw and lock those types of disruptive meta threads. They really only exist to cause drama and divide DU.

I don't support Senator Clinton, but I am miles from hating her. Yet, every time I explain why I don't support the Senator I am immediately labeled a hater. No nuance at all, 100% pure hater. Disgusting.

Sorry I don't hate her, but keep trying... I guess? IMO this relentless call-out tactic isn't helping Clinton's campaign at all.

Short and to the point. I would try and write a serious OP about why, but others have said it better then I could.

No it's not. So why would anyone want to hurt her campaign, or the Dem Party chances of winning?

There are only two reasons I can think of.

1) Someone doesn't want Dems to win.

2) Dems have hired some pretty stupid Political Consultants who have no idea how to run a winning campaign.

If it's the latter, it's not too late to fire them.

Dem Voter Registration is already down by approx 10% since 2008. The party cannot afford to drive any more voters out of the party. That 10% are mostly left leaning Dems who are now registered as Independents. To win, Dems are going to need every Dem vote including the much despised 'Left'. AND they are going to need those who are now Left Leaning Independents.

So far, looking just at DU today, I don't see that happening.

If they don't want our votes, they have found a great way of telling us. 'Just call them haters'.

we won, Everything. On a Progressive, Liberal message. By 2012, the Dem Leadership lost the House. Telling the Left that their ideas were 'retarded' didn't help, condescending to voters doesn't help either. It was clear they didn't want the Left, other than to vote, but not to participate in the party in any way.

And rather than learn WHY that happened, they continued to push Third Way candidates and messaging in 2014 which lost us the Senate.

I don't know who is running this party, but they sure aren't listening to the voters.

And calling people who genuinely do not believe their chosen candidate is best for this country, 'haters' is guaranteed to lose them even more voters.

It's fine though, there have been major shifts before in politics, and we may be approaching that again. Certainly people are not going to stay where they are not wanted, or their ideas are considered to be 'retarded'.

Why should they? And the party cannot win without the Left, so it's time for them to start respecting the people who put them in power, or don't whine when they choose not to do, see those two Midterms, again.

I'm getting my number here.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/166763/record-high-americans-identify-independents.aspx


Where are you getting yours?

Supporters do more to harm a campaign than help it when they resort to this. It has a way of galvanizing people.

Not even Dick Cheney or Vladimir Putin. Nothing good comes from hating people. Nothing.

I can hate disease, bigotry, and income inequality. But hating people only makes us even less humane than we've already become. And that's exactly the opposite of what we need these days.

thank you

There are some people (for example, the 46th Vice President of the United States) who disgust me to every single fiber of their being, but even them I do not hate.

I hate things, not people. I hate things such as racism and war and murder.

Things and situations.

aren't thought of. At all.

It could be.

Sometimes here, I think it's an attempt to frame the conversation and to control.

I'd never hated anything in my life.

Based on her record.

Having to take the time to explain that you aren't a Hillary hater is a bit like having to explain that your opposition to the illegal Iraq invasion didn't mean that you were a Saddam supporter.

It's really a pretty despicable propaganda technique that puts thoughtful people on the defensive, sucks the oxygen out of an argument, and diverts attention away from inconvenient truths.

Unfortunately, it's very effective.

Dem Party.

That's pretty much how we lost the House and Senate.

Makes me wonder, is that the goal?

This is OUR party. Why would anyone hate the left so much that they would want to drive them away from the party?

Makes you wonder ....

airc!

of course they worry about leftofascism and firebaggers, but that's because they like Bernard-Henri Levy!

I hope that is the only goal.

My mom wouldn't allow us to use the word 'hate'. She said we didn't know the true meaning. We could say 'really, really don't like' etc, but we were not allowed to say we hated something, not even brussel sprouts. lol. That was more for my bothers cuz I loved them.

I think it's because of the racism that both my parents saw, I guess they knew what it really meant. We weren't allowed to call each other stupid/idiot either. Or tell each other to shut up. My mom always said words could hurt as much as a hand. So there were certain things we weren't allowed to say.

Between my parents there were 12 kids (blended family) some of them were grown. At one time there were 8 of us--but after a few years 3 went back to live with their mom (dad's first wife) so for the most of the time if was 5. But we all keep in touch.

I was raised much the same way. We couldn't say "shut up, stupid, dummy, jerk..."

Kudos to your parents for doing a terrific job!

I wish I did. I also wish I had something better to offer than just an online hug. But, since it is all I can offer. please have another.

because they disagree with your candidates choices you have no credibility.