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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIf we're not willing to wait for substance in Hillary Clinton's
newly launched primary campaign, all we will have to talk about is logos and photos. Personally, I think we should wait for some substance, and then discuss that. This day has been full of silliness, in my opinion. But, that's just me. There's a long way to go, and we'll soon have some substantive statements to worry like a rawhide bone, I'm sure.
NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)for gay folk and minorities?
I cant
MineralMan
(146,336 posts)highlighting those things. Can you? The video did contain some substance. The logo did not. Neither did the campaign's choice of photos of the candidate.
Most of the threads today have been about the logo, for pete's sake. I thought the video was full of great stuff. Not too many threads about that, though, except to complain that some specific group wasn't included, or wasn't seen to be included.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Obama held rallies with Evangelical hate preachers and spent lots of time talking about how his God did not Sanctify those people and how God is in the mix when straight folks fuck and how LGBT people lack a 'spiritual quality' in our relationships. DU, by and large, supported him in of that. When he got elected, he picked Rick Warren to preside at his Inaugural days after Warren had equated LGBT relationships to incest and pedophilia, Obama refused to replace him, DU defended him, and the Inaugural became a tainted and divisive slap in the face to millions of Americans simply to honor the Profound Faith of Barack and Michelle, who I hope were satisfied with that display of smug contempt for those unlike themselves. No apology has ever been issued, implied or suggested, not for any of the many base insults puked forth by that campaign from pillar to post.
Not once in my life have I gotten to vote for a Democratic nominee who did not campaign speaking against my rights. Not once. It is the best sort of substance, after Obama 08, to be included without reservation from the very first moments of a campaign. It's refreshingly different, utterly unique and the first time ever.
MineralMan
(146,336 posts)Today, no Democratic candidate would think of excluding GLBT people. That's progress.
cali
(114,904 posts)is Hillary answering unscripted questions that haven't been pre-approved.
MineralMan
(146,336 posts)has been asked. We'll see.
William769
(55,148 posts)I think she started the campaign great and is now on the road meeting people on the way to Iowa.
It has to start someplace.
Even when we get what people are clamoring for, then they will find fault with something else. We have seen it time & time again.
MineralMan
(146,336 posts)I know that everything she does is going to be attacked, at least from the right. I would hope that some people will be listening to what she says, though, and not just making pro forma attacks. That's my hope.
B2G
(9,766 posts)possibly more.
William769
(55,148 posts)I would like to see her on the campaign trail all those years. Inquiring minds want to know!
B2G
(9,766 posts)William769
(55,148 posts)Thank's for playing and have a nice day.
think
(11,641 posts)MineralMan
(146,336 posts)in the coming weeks. They'll all be worth discussing, I'm sure.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)But I agree, quibbling over logos is silly.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)We've got plenty of "substance" that she has put out over the past decades.
Why must we wait for a speech, and mindlessly believe it to be true, before discussing her track record?
Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)We know that she's done some backpedaling on the Iraq War. That's better than if she were still defending her pro-war vote, but not as good as if she'd gotten it right the first time.
Even disregarding the marital relationship, she was a senior adviser to a Democratic President for eight years. If she now pronounces herself to be horrified by DOMA, NAFTA, welfare "reform", and repeal of Glass-Steagall, we have a right to ask for an explanation. For that matter, we have a right to ask whether she is horrified by those things or whether she still supports them.
We laughed at Mitt Romney, lurching away from the center to appeal to party activists in the primaries. I'll apply the same standard to Hillary Clinton.