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busterbrown

(8,515 posts)
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 02:03 PM Apr 2015

Is it Standing Operating Procedure To Allow Police Officers

involved in a deadly shooting, to go home, “relax” for a couple of days gather their thoughts in order to prepare for questioning and debriefing..? Obviously it is....Listen to fellow officer clearly and meticulously
explain to Officer Slager the next steps which will be taken by investigators.. In his murder of Walter Scott..

Also notice the chuckle of the Slager when describing to a fellow officer the adrenalin rush he felt from the shooting.



http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/apr/12/walter-scott-shooting-officer-michael-slager-audio-recording?CMP=share_btn_tw

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leveymg

(36,418 posts)
1. There should be a rebuttable presumption of a homicide whenever the shooting victim is unarmed.
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 02:10 PM
Apr 2015

That means the shooter is held pending a decision to press charges. That one step would change the entire mindset of officers toward discharging their weapons.

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
8. It's more than just "one step"; that kind of thinking actually represents a Giant Leap.
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 03:10 PM
Apr 2015

And I like it.

COLGATE4

(14,732 posts)
11. It is a homicide whenever a victim is killed by police.
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 04:38 PM
Apr 2015

The issue is whether the homicide is justifiable.

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
12. No - that would amount to false arrest in some cases.
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 05:19 PM
Apr 2015

There is such a thing as due process and it applies to everyone.

Shooting an unarmed person might be justifiable, and shooting an armed person might not be. The fact that the person was unarmed does not constitute evidence of an unjustified homicide.


leveymg

(36,418 posts)
13. You are in error. This needs to be made part of department regulations by law.
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 10:11 PM
Apr 2015

It does provide Due Process. Just as much as anyone else held under the same circumstances. The fact that the victim is unarmed is prima facie evidence of homicide, which is not a criminal charge against the officer, merely a legal status of the deceased that death resulted from the actions of another person, pending a determination of any criminal charges.

 

DarknessFalls

(16 posts)
15. You don't know what you're talking about.
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 10:47 PM
Apr 2015

Homicide is when one human causes the death of another human. Whether the deceased was or wasn't armed has no bearing on the cause of death.

 

Savannahmann

(3,891 posts)
2. Yeah, I saw this and was not so much outraged, and disgusted.
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 02:13 PM
Apr 2015

Does anyone else remember the episode of Adam 12 where Reed shot a guy? I do. Despite the facts that completely backed up his use of force, including physical evidence, they grilled him every which way about the shooting for hours.

They wanted to know what he saw, what he thought, what he felt. Did he see anything behind the shooter? Did he see any other people around? Did he know where his bullets went? As he reached the end of the interview, then, and only then, did the detectives start to tell him what they had already found. That the guy was armed with a rifle, and the structure behind the shooter was a brick wall, as Reed suspected, or perhaps believed. The other cops did not try to assuage his nerves, they wanted him rattled.

That is the fiction, the way it's supposed to happen according to the PTB. This is the reality. Oh take your time writing up the reports, let us gather the physical evidence and then you can adjust your narrative to that. No problem buddy.

I can't tell you how many times I have wished that reality was like the fictional Adam 12. Where professional Police Officers trained to maintain their heads, and keep their emotional response in check addressed problems and incidents with wisdom and respect for everyone involved. Arresting a murderer and they call him sir. Talking to women, of all colors, and they call them Ma'am.

It's a crying shame that reality is the other way. We best call the Police Sir, or Ma'am. Or else. We best be professional and unemotional, and respectful towards the cops. Because we want Reed and Malloy, and we got Stallone's Cobra for every single traffic stop.

LuvNewcastle

(16,858 posts)
3. It depends on the situation.
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 02:14 PM
Apr 2015

If a cop kills a white person, they go in and write a report and the chief speaks briefly to the media. If a cop kills a black person, the chief takes the cop out to dinner a couple of days later and they hash out the details over drinks, I think.

FBaggins

(26,773 posts)
6. Don't know... That wouldn't be unreasonable to assume
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 02:17 PM
Apr 2015

We can assume that the vast majority of police shootings are appropraite... yet we should also assume that they take a terrible toll on the officer. I don't know about "relaxing", but some down time to deal with post-trauma symptoms is appropriate IMO.

For those shootings where the officer is potentially guilty of a crime, then the same rights that any defendant has apply... and they can avoid answering question absent obtaining legal advice. Similarly, investigators should have time to gather evidence to make the questioning more effective.

Caveat - I recognize the name involved, but know almost nothing of the specifics of this case.

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