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KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 02:03 PM Apr 2015

Cop Protects City by Issuing Citation to Man in Wheelchair for Not Having Proof of Disability

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/man-wheelchairs-transit-pass-confiscated-proof-disabled/

In a telling display of law enforcement’s lack of common sense, Joey Canales, 31, had his transit pass seized by a transit cop prior to boarding the trolley. The cop’s reason for seizing Canales’ transit pass was that the man, who’s been disabled since he was born, did not have written proof that he was truly disabled. Apparently, the fact that Canales was in a wheelchair was not convincing enough....

What is most disheartening is that Canales uses the transit system to get to work and without his pass will be left with no mean of getting to work.

Also, during this ridiculous display, the officer wrongly tells Canales that he cannot film him. However, Canales remains diligent in asserting his first amendment right.

Does it really make sense to put this man’s ability to earn a living in jeopardy for not having documentation of a disability as he sits in a wheelchair?


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Cop Protects City by Issuing Citation to Man in Wheelchair for Not Having Proof of Disability (Original Post) KamaAina Apr 2015 OP
I swear that the criteria to be a cop has to include insanity marym625 Apr 2015 #1
Maybe HassleCat Apr 2015 #6
Love that last sentence marym625 Apr 2015 #7
Stupid and aggressive macho swellheads hifiguy Apr 2015 #26
the officer was clearly harassing him, he should file a formal complaint about that officer CreekDog Apr 2015 #2
Security Guard nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #30
There are responses to some threads that even the scarcasm emoticon can't suffice. Hoppy Apr 2015 #3
If the man was faking his disability Politicalboi Apr 2015 #4
Thank you, police! HassleCat Apr 2015 #5
FIRE THE COP IMMEDIATELY. trueblue2007 Apr 2015 #8
If he were a cop you would have a point nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #33
He could have been like those people at airports Capt. Obvious Apr 2015 #9
What. A. Fucking. Idiot. n/t DeSwiss Apr 2015 #15
I. hate. fucking. power. hungry. heartless. cops. lark Apr 2015 #10
The cop would search your house and if there was anything out order madokie Apr 2015 #34
Latino while riding in a Wheelchair PeoViejo Apr 2015 #11
Well, I'n not sure it was deserved, but our nckname for Joe Chi Minh Apr 2015 #20
Another case of SOP for the "good cops" in America Taitertots Apr 2015 #12
So this is San Diego's finest? jtuck004 Apr 2015 #13
transit cops are glorified security guards.. frylock Apr 2015 #19
Feller ain't bringin' too much "glory" to security guards either. n/t jtuck004 Apr 2015 #21
true that frylock Apr 2015 #24
These are MTS security Guards, nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #22
I have a simple test for being a cop: Flatulo Apr 2015 #14
Check common sense at the door before putting on a badge. lpbk2713 Apr 2015 #16
The day the free thought project finally understands that MTS nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #17
WTF? WTF? WTF? WTF? Enthusiast Apr 2015 #18
Yet another example... gregcrawford Apr 2015 #23
You mean MTS, not the city nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #28
I'm confused. sulphurdunn Apr 2015 #25
Not cops, security guards nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #29
But do they check everyone's pass? sulphurdunn Apr 2015 #31
They board the train cars and check everybody's pass nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #32
Oh, right, like San Jose VTA's fare inspectors. KamaAina Apr 2015 #36
Mine lives behind my media card nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #38
Cant film him? bullshit, this has to stop NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #27
What's happening is that the transit organizations now require a special ID for disabled, et all. haele Apr 2015 #35
Yes, I have to carry a lot of ID in case my right to DA parking is questioned. freshwest Apr 2015 #39
Who's this Canales think he is? A citizen? Octafish Apr 2015 #37
Here's the MTS page on reduced fares: struggle4progress Apr 2015 #40
 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
6. Maybe
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 03:16 PM
Apr 2015

I have met some who were pretty darn strange. We have a sheriff deputy in our county who writes a letter a week to the local paper, explaining how the constitution doesn't say what we think it says, and telling us how to interpret it. Part of problem is, "administration of justice" is a favorite degree for college football players, a group not necessarily known for their critical thinking ability. Another big source of police officers is the military, particularly the Marine Corps and Army, which have huge military police forces. I know someone who is a homicide detective for a large US city, and he says it's a good thing most criminals are stupid, because most cops are not very bright.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
26. Stupid and aggressive macho swellheads
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 05:14 PM
Apr 2015

without a lick of sense. The perfect people to give the power of life and death to.

This is FUBAR.

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
2. the officer was clearly harassing him, he should file a formal complaint about that officer
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 02:11 PM
Apr 2015

as well as the officer's employer.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
30. Security Guard
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 07:35 PM
Apr 2015

not your fault, Free Thought Project makes this mistake with these glorified security guards.

Having a California Guard Card does not mean you are a cop.

 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
4. If the man was faking his disability
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 02:15 PM
Apr 2015

Wouldn't the transit driver know? And why did they accept his money to buy the pass if now they don't think he deserves it. Like someone said on the comments. It's like wearing a T-Shirt and walking back into the store you bought it from and they claim you stole it without your receipt.

 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
5. Thank you, police!
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 03:11 PM
Apr 2015

Well. I'm glad the police are vigilant. Who knows what that man might have done with his wheelchair? Sure, it looks like he was only using it to get a free bus ride, but how can we be sure he wasn't linked to ISIS? After all, he wasn't normal, like you and me. Although I'm not so sure about you...

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
33. If he were a cop you would have a point
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 08:23 PM
Apr 2015

that said, since he is just a mere rent a cop, it might be easier if MTS decides this is getting too hot.

yes, this is a personal beef of mine.

Capt. Obvious

(9,002 posts)
9. He could have been like those people at airports
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 03:25 PM
Apr 2015

showing up in wheelchairs to board first only to be miraculously healed.

Here's the vid at the link

lark

(23,156 posts)
10. I. hate. fucking. power. hungry. heartless. cops.
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 04:02 PM
Apr 2015

No, I wouldn't call a cop if there were a burglar in my house. The cop would be much more likely to kill me than the burglar.

 

PeoViejo

(2,178 posts)
11. Latino while riding in a Wheelchair
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 04:04 PM
Apr 2015

..and the cop looks like a former MP. He probably spends a good chunk of his pay having his uniforms starched and pressed.

Joe Chi Minh

(15,229 posts)
20. Well, I'n not sure it was deserved, but our nckname for
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 04:58 PM
Apr 2015

the military police was, 'the monkeys'. But you wonder about the level of intelligence of our friend.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
22. These are MTS security Guards,
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 05:01 PM
Apr 2015

not a one, well except the Chief we were told, are certified as actual, honest to goodness cops. Nor have they attended a police academy.

This is a normal problem with the FTP, they keep mis-identifying these guys, who are full of themselves, and all that, with actual cops. Last time I pointed this out, it was not well received by the editors, nor would they correct that huge misrepresentation error. That said, I don't think these glorified security guards mind that one bit.

 

Flatulo

(5,005 posts)
14. I have a simple test for being a cop:
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 04:20 PM
Apr 2015

If you want to be a cop, you're automatically disqualified.

Fucking assholes.

lpbk2713

(42,766 posts)
16. Check common sense at the door before putting on a badge.
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 04:34 PM
Apr 2015



I swear, some of these law enforcement types occupy a seperate but parallel universe.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
17. The day the free thought project finally understands that MTS
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 04:37 PM
Apr 2015

security are NOT COPS...

But I almost expected the Forethought project "reporter" to do it again after misquoting other Media regarding operation Lemon Drop.

I have found so many factual errors, in this case it is the fact that this is NOT A COP, that if it comes from them, and they tell me the sky is blue, I need to check on three other sources. Yes, I have met their reporter...and boy he is not good at accepting any criticism.

gregcrawford

(2,382 posts)
23. Yet another example...
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 05:06 PM
Apr 2015

... of the psychotic malice and insatiable craving for dominion over the lives of others that drives all too many of the people who become cops. I hope this asinine display of petty power costs the jerk his job, and the city a bundle of cash.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
28. You mean MTS, not the city
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 07:30 PM
Apr 2015

these are NOT cops, regardless of the misrepresentation of the Free Thought Project, They have been told, shown links et al. They will continue to misrepresent MTS security for actual police. But hey... it's all good in the hood I 'spose.

One thing you got right, somebody might pay, and it might even include the tax payer, but ultimately the Metropolitan Transit System will be the one who once again will have to pay for the idiocy of these guys.

Someday MTS might even finally get tired of the fuck ups and fire Transit System Security... and the FTP might do a good job of actually reporting really basic facts.

 

sulphurdunn

(6,891 posts)
25. I'm confused.
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 05:13 PM
Apr 2015

How does a metro cop come to check a passenger's pass? Do they check everyone, only people who appear disabled to them? What? How does this work?

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
29. Not cops, security guards
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 07:33 PM
Apr 2015

glofiried and all. But the guys who are armed (about half) are security for the guys who issue the tickets. Here is their employer When you go to the link, it is clear these guys have a CALIFORNIA GUARD CARD, and are NOT POST certified.

 

sulphurdunn

(6,891 posts)
31. But do they check everyone's pass?
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 08:07 PM
Apr 2015

Do they check them randomly? Is there some physical choke point like a turnstile everyone goes through. I was wondering how the guard came to detain the guy in the wheel chair.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
32. They board the train cars and check everybody's pass
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 08:12 PM
Apr 2015

when they do that.

There is no turnstile, and MTS does lose some money since some of this is on the honor system.

As a resident of san diego calling these guys cops, is a personal beef of mine. Having a media outlet make this mistake REGULARLY, even after their editors were alerted by multiple local media, irks me and makes me trust them even less. I was one of the local media that contacted them.

That said, MTS loses money to lawsuits regularly because these guys are that bad, the cops actually despise the rent a cops at MTS, and I had one tell me that he was an officer, at which I put him down in his place. I should have called 911 and reported him for impersonating an officer, but I did not think fast enough. I admit it.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
36. Oh, right, like San Jose VTA's fare inspectors.
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 10:48 PM
Apr 2015

They, at least, are county employees, though not cops (though they do have a sheriff's patrol as backup). Once I had to board a train without tagging my Clipper electronic fare card because there was a blackout around the office. And of course they got on down the line, and the shitball made me get off and tag the damn thing while I watched the train go bye-bye. There's 25 minutes of my life I'll never get back.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
38. Mine lives behind my media card
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 10:51 PM
Apr 2015

and that is not accidental.

I had one of these guys try the DHS shit about photography because of the camera gear, I go to cover stories on the system regularly. Once he realized he was not talking to a person without a clue, he sheepishly went away.

haele

(12,679 posts)
35. What's happening is that the transit organizations now require a special ID for disabled, et all.
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 08:41 PM
Apr 2015

This happened soon after they went to the full-on electronic ticketing system (Compass passes) about two years ago.
While it's pretty easy to identify some people who are eligible for a reduced fare - students, seniors, and medicare recipients, who all get cards or have some other form of card identification that is easy to get, there is no "California ID card for disabled, or SSDI benefits card" that is an official government document. Your pretty much stuck with either providing a reciept copy of your disability tags from the DMV or applying for a MTS card to go along with your Compass Card.
And if you didn't know you needed one because you've been getting disabled fare for the past 20 or so years and were never asked for i.d. card, you wouldn't know you needed it. Heck, I'm disabled and rode the trolley when our car broke down just last year; got a week pass on a compass card at the reduced fare at the kiosk, and no one ever asked, they just looked at my cane and scanned the card.
There were never any notices that clearly announced the need for an issued i.d. for someone who is disabled; and the transit policed or drivers never asked before. I could easily see where someone who has used public transit for a while might not be aware they needed a card even if their disability was obvious.

From the San Diego MTS web site:

Senior citizens (60+), disabled individuals and Medicare recipients are eligible for a reduced fare on fixed–route buses and Trolleys.

People eligible for discounted fares and Compass Card passes must show proper identification to purchase discounted fares on buses, and at the MTS Transit Store, Albertsons, and other participating outlets. The only discounted fares sold at Ticket Vending Machines are one-way Trolley fares and monthly products reloaded onto existing Senior or Disabled Compass Cards. Trolley code enforcement officers and bus drivers will require proper identification of people using discounted fares. Acceptable identification are:


• Driver’s license (for seniors)
• Medicare card + government-issued photo ID
• Valid MTS Senior/Disabled ID card (San Diego Metropolitan Transit System)
• Valid NCTD Senior/Disabled ID card (that's North County Transit Department, which links to MTS bus routes, etc)
• State of California DMV Placard ID (the white placard receipt from the DMV) + government-issued photo ID
• State of California Senior ID card



Haele

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
39. Yes, I have to carry a lot of ID in case my right to DA parking is questioned.
Wed Apr 15, 2015, 12:32 AM
Apr 2015

Despite having plates, I carry the free placard in the vehicle as well. Some people pass the temporary placards around to their friends. At times this is fine, as they are transporting them.

Trying to park with a permanent placard that doesn't match up with the plates is a problem without ID to prove the driver has the right. There are lot of disabled persons where I live and it's disability and elderly friendly and very diverse, but it's getting increasingly expensive.

It's six of one or half a dozen of the other. I'm glad attention is being paid to this man's plight and hope it gets resolved soon.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
37. Who's this Canales think he is? A citizen?
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 10:51 PM
Apr 2015

WTF. If he wasn't stopped, the lousy terrorist would be back riding public transit, endangering all good people going to rabbit.

struggle4progress

(118,350 posts)
40. Here's the MTS page on reduced fares:
Wed Apr 15, 2015, 12:56 AM
Apr 2015
http://www.sdmts.com/fares_discounted.asp

I think it's great MTS offers the reduced fares, and I don't see any significant problem with spot enforcement

Added on edit: On the other hand, it would seem natural to collect the proof of disability at the time the reduced fare photo ID was offered, rather than asking people to carry other proof with them constantly
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