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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsBritt McHenry Suspended By ESPN After Fat-Shaming Video Surfaces
Not a very brilliant move at all.
Wait until the The Internet gets done with her. It will eat her alive and spit her out like the garbage she is
McHenry can be heard repeatedly and mercilessly attacking the employee in what appears to be security footage of the incident. Among the things said:
- Im in the news, sweetheart.
- I will fucking sue this place.
- Thats why I have a degree and you dont.
- I wouldnt work in a scumbag place like this.
- Makes my skin crawl even being here.
- Yep, thats all you care about is just taking peoples money. With no education, no skill set, just wanted to clarify that.
- Do you feel good about your job?
- So I can be a college dropout and do the same thing?
- Why? Because I have a brain? And you dont?
- Maybe if I was missing some teeth they would hire me, huh?
- Cause they [the employees teeth] look so stunning Cause Im on television and youre in a fucking trailer, honey.
- Lose some weight, baby girl.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/16/britt-mchenry_n_7082796.html
daleanime
(17,796 posts)Sen. Walter Sobchak
(8,692 posts)I'm pretty sure this encounter would have gone down differently at Cinnabon.
daleanime
(17,796 posts)that makes it OK.
Just in case.
Sen. Walter Sobchak
(8,692 posts)for a stray kitten rescue or AAA.
daleanime
(17,796 posts)thank you for siding with the powerful.
Sen. Walter Sobchak
(8,692 posts)daleanime
(17,796 posts)doubt she woke up one morning and just decided to take people's cars.
Sen. Walter Sobchak
(8,692 posts)She just sits blissfully unaware in a cage taking people's money until one day this hysterical blonde starts berating her?
pintobean
(18,101 posts)at trying to get people to dislike you. There are damn good reasons why no one is siding with you.
daleanime
(17,796 posts)I don't know, maybe she's likes to eat? But rather then praise her for finding some kind of work, let's condemn her for taking a job that you don't approve of, with a company that's not the best.
Dude, I hate Walmart with a passion. But if I end up there I still treat the people on the floor with respect. All they're trying to do is survive. But that kind of respect seems to be a foreign concept to you. So have a good day.
Sen. Walter Sobchak
(8,692 posts)canvassing for signatures for right-wing ballot propositions?
I'm sure it doesn't.
daleanime
(17,796 posts)good-bye
ND-Dem
(4,571 posts)never a good reason to insult workers based on personal characteristics like their weight, their looks, their education, etc.
Like there's typically never a good reason to insult anyone for such things.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)Most likely, she gets minimum wage or less.
If McHenry had just reparked her car (like you or I would both have done) after leaving the restaurant, the restaurant wouldn't have had it impounded.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)McHenry had no right to keep her car parked in the restaurant parking lot once she had left the restaurant. And she had left it there for two hours.
There was no injustice here. Just a young rich white woman thinking she was entitled to special privileges because she has a nothing job on ESPN.
Sen. Walter Sobchak
(8,692 posts)That is the definition of ransom. Do I care if somebody in this industry had their feelings hurt? Not even a little bit.
I know until the next sob story about some poor single parent losing their job because their car got towed wrongfully the noble tow-truck driver will be DU's infallible victim of the white and privileged.
The predatory towing industry is nothing but parasites. If you want to hitch your horse to them because somebody you find unsympathetic was mean to them that is entirely up to you. But I doubt it will be fashionable for very long.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)The towing industry itself isn't the issue here.
The issue is that this rich white woman thought she should get special treatment. And thought she was entitled to verbally abuse the counter clerk, who only took the damn job because this is a recession and you take any job you can get in a situation like that, simply because she was blonde and barely famous and the clerk was a prole with a regular person's body.
The impound itself isn't the point. It's the attitude of McHenry, who thought she had special entitlements the non-televised among us would never expect.
If it was a single parent getting their car towed, this wouldn't have made the news and you wouldn't care. And McHenry herself would undoubtably think that that single parent had it coming for being an ordinary non-televised human.
ND-Dem
(4,571 posts)company you don't like or feel has done you wrong? About their teeth, their weight, their imagined lack of education, or any other irrelevant personal quality?
Or you're saying people shouldn't work for companies that rob the public?
That wouldn't leave us many places to work, I'm afraid.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)She had left her car in the parking lot of a restaurant for two hours after she'd left the restaurant and gone barhopping. That will get your car impounded anywhere.
McHenry had nothing to complain about. It was her own fault the restaurant had had her car towed, and she knew it. McHenry just assumed she was entitled to special treatment because she's a blonde on tv.
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)I've never even heard of her before this. Now every time I hear Britt McHenry I'll think of her acting like a total jerk. I suspect I won't be the only one.
SamKnause
(13,141 posts)in public.
What an ass.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)Yeah, she's an ass but she's by no means alone in that.
Logical
(22,457 posts)NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)Chris Christie came to mind.
Inkfreak
(1,695 posts)ND-Dem
(4,571 posts)thought it was so damn cheap and cowardly.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)ND-Dem
(4,571 posts)and the institution is blameless there's a decent chance you are witnessing an authoritarian in action."
+1,000,000
alphafemale
(18,497 posts)College educated and you don't read contracts?
whooopsie!
I
underpants
(183,259 posts)B level porn star potential
Raine1967
(11,589 posts)Doing to her what she did to the person in the video is not nice.
What do her looks have to do with the crap she said?
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)VScott
(774 posts)that her looks got her the job to begin with.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)Raine1967
(11,589 posts)period.
Raine1967
(11,589 posts)Imagine for a moment if someone said something like that about Hillary Clinton would you be ok with that?
Would you be ok with judging a woman by her looks?
I'm not.
woolldog
(8,791 posts)You treat people that way and I don't feel sorry for any of the crap she has to deal with as a result. She should be fired not suspended for talking to that poor clerk that way. I don't want to see her mug on ESPN anymore.
underpants
(183,259 posts)And her looks are her qualification - see Fox News
Raine1967
(11,589 posts)What she said has everything to do with this.
underpants
(183,259 posts)Half time run-off interview
Reporter: Coach you are down/up by (insert number) what do you have to dointhe second half?
Coach: we gotta play defense and score more points
Reporter: Thanks Coach
(Turn to camera) (smile) Back to you ______ (insert name)
Raine1967
(11,589 posts)Using her looks to shame her is exactly what she did to someone else. two wrongs do not make a right.
I don't care about her looks, I care about the nasty things she said. What she said lost her some employment.
Shaming her for how she looks is exactly what cost this woman (at the very least) a paycheck. She fat shamed someone. You are comparing her to porn performers that you think are b grade.
She decided someone was fat and uneducated and you think this woman is not top grade Porn industry material. Judge her on what she said, not on her appearance.
If you have proof that her looks got her a job, I would gladly read the link.
In the meantime, she said shitty things. She deserves being held responsible.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)Raine1967
(11,589 posts)She is wrong.
Using her looks against her to prove a point only perpetuates sexism.
Her words are enough. Using her looks to shame is just as bad as what she did.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)BECAUSE of how she looks.
I am also a female...I think I have seen more than one case of this over the course of my lifetime.
Would the "C" word be appropriate here?
Just a thought.....and here's the thing...
She'll gather herself ever so humbly and
make her public apology...simply because
she got caught....What a Princess!
A regular "Black Tongue Annie".....but I'm
sorry sweetheart when you spew that kind
of HATE; those of us paying attention, would
be hard pressed to ever give a shit about what
happens to you for a long time; if ever again....
have a nice life...
Pathwalker
(6,600 posts)for any reason. Would you call your mother, sister, girlfriend, aunt that?
I would certainly hope not.
Not defending the creepy woman, either.
Raine1967
(11,589 posts)MissDeeds
(7,499 posts)If you mean cold, callous, crude, classless, clueless...need I go on?
Logical
(22,457 posts)Sen. Walter Sobchak
(8,692 posts)Having the same reaction many people who have while being robbed by some hillbilly?
Why should being in the media force one to be numbed in their encounters with many of the pieces of shit this country has to offer?
I have said far, far, worse in my encounters with the towing industry.
Logical
(22,457 posts)A joy to spend time with. LOL!
Sen. Walter Sobchak
(8,692 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)Maybe you need to figure out why you cant stop getting towed.
ND-Dem
(4,571 posts)city, or the person (probably a man) who owns the towing company.
Sen. Walter Sobchak
(8,692 posts)given their F with the BBB
ND-Dem
(4,571 posts)her weight and teeth. That always works well.
If you're too lazy or cowardly to go after the person in power, lay down & die.
Sen. Walter Sobchak
(8,692 posts)There was no better result to get than blowing off some steam.
If this type of interaction is highly traumatic to you, a towing company probably isn't the right place for you.
ND-Dem
(4,571 posts)a suspension. She didn't get her car back any faster, she didn't get the company cited or fined or driven out of business, she didn't get shit except a big hit to her own reputation and possibly her livelihood.
Sen. Walter Sobchak
(8,692 posts)But I don't think there is much cross-over between ESPN's audience and the Social Media eumenides.
ND-Dem
(4,571 posts)she got suspended, the suspension has now been enlarged, and she's being taken to task across the internet. and in other media as well.
and it's certainly gotten back to her employer.
and I'm sure she's now aware that pretty blonds who can read are a dime a dozen; even ones who went to college.
Sen. Walter Sobchak
(8,692 posts)but I seriously doubt very many of those venting their righteous outrage at ESPN had even heard of this woman before this episode.
And I certainly don't think people being "being taken to task across the internet" is one of this era's more redeeming characteristics.
ND-Dem
(4,571 posts)taking minimum wage workers to task is one of this era's more redeeming characteristics either.
Sen. Walter Sobchak
(8,692 posts)If you tow someone's car, they're going to get angry. If you are the towing company representative, they're going to get angry with you.
That is as predictable as the sun coming up.
ND-Dem
(4,571 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)She had left it in the restaurant parking lot for TWO HOURS after she departed the restaurant. Once she had paid her check and left, she was legally obligated to remove her car from the restaurant lot. Any restaurant in any large city will have your car towed if you leave it there for hours after you've left and especially while you're barhopping around the neighborhood.
The point is, she had no right to take her anger about the situation out on the counter clerk at the lot, especially since that clerk was simply an employee and had nothing to do with the decision to impound her car.
McHenry felt she was entitled to special treatment and special privileges just because she's a blonde on ESPN.
Sen. Walter Sobchak
(8,692 posts)I don't really care what the circumstances of her towing were. I merely don't find a massively flawed character in somebody losing their shit in that situation. And I don't have any sympathy for those who work in that industry.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)If she wasn't legally parked, there was no injustice in her being towed.
And your anger should be directed towards the owners of the towing companies, not the people who end up with no alternative in a tough economy but to take that work. The clerk at the counter wasn't to blame for the sins of the towing industry itself.
McHenry had no right to verbally abuse the counter clerk for a situation that McHenry herself caused by knowingly keeping her car parked where it was no longer legally supposed to be parked. McHenry only lost her guano because that clerk didn't give her car back free just for being rich, blonde, and slightly famous.
Sen. Walter Sobchak
(8,692 posts)It's just going to happen and nobody will be at their best in that situation and I'm not inclined to judge anyone too harshly in that situation.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)All she was guilty of was doing her job. There was no excuse for McHenry bashing her personally about her education, her looks, and her weight.
McHenry just assumed she was entitled to get her car back for freeIor to get away with illegal parking in the first place) because she was rich, blonde and thin, and because sometimes appeared on tv.
Whatever you can say about the towing industry(and I don't like them much myself) the problem is the predatory owners, not the people like that poor clerk who was just doing what she had to do to keep her job. You're not comfortable judging McHenry? I don't think either of us is entitled to judge that clerk. If she'd handed over the car for free as McHenry probably expected, the clerk would probably have been fired.
Sen. Walter Sobchak
(8,692 posts)Her car was towed and she was mad. People can say terrible things when they're mad. But on a scale of Zero to Mel Gibson losing your shit over your car getting towed is among the more forgivable of public outbursts. As I said, if she regularly has interactions like this in her day-to-day life. Okay, we have a deranged individual. But someone spewing vitriol when they're absolutely furious is something else entirely. I am sure if the male owner of the towing company were in the cash cage she would have had a similar diatribe for him.
I am not going to form an opinion of someone's character based on how they behave after getting their car towed and I'm certainly not going to join a lynching mob.
treestar
(82,383 posts)you sit and kindly take it?
Sen. Walter Sobchak
(8,692 posts)Shit is being lost in my general proximity all the time and has been since the price of oil plunged. I interact with people who are basically guaranteed to lose their businesses in the next couple of months every day. They lash out, we're supposed to be helping them but we can't and nobody could.
If they want to rant about me being some incompetent douchebag from California who knows nothing about oil, I will hear them out on that.
treestar
(82,383 posts)I hate it when people are nasty to me because they are under stress and I'm trying to help them. Luckily I can stop working for such people, as they take up too much time and it's not worth the stress.
marmar
(77,162 posts)So dehumanizing someone, saying essentially that I'm better than you because I went to college and I'm on TV, is perfectly acceptable? Jeezus, Mary and Joseph.
Sen. Walter Sobchak
(8,692 posts)Outside of the Righteous Outrage Brigade I suspect most people would either sympathize with her situation or just don't care.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)So, you "have said far, far worse" in your encounters with people doing their job according to rules someone else is holding them to? Parked your car in the wrong fucking place and had it towed?
You sound like a real peach of a man there, Walter. People like you are the reason I'm glad there are cameras everywhere.
As far as the hillbilly who was robbing her goes; I'd ask where in hillbillyland this happened?
Years ago, someone posted on DU on a Saturday about how they just got back from the Post Office and gave a postal employee What Fucking For after being asked a question on a form. Someone who was doing a job according to rules they were given concerning how that job was to be performed. It was a hoot of a thread. You remind me of that poster.
Sen. Walter Sobchak
(8,692 posts)The tow truck driver had already been arrested and was running his mouth at me, the landlord and the cops and after sufficient goading I said something pretty awful.
Sadly all the lowlife was nailed for was trespassing.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Plural. Expand on that.
Sen. Walter Sobchak
(8,692 posts)My old office had a huge parking lot, 462 parking spots for about 80 people. There were supposed to be two more buildings in the complex that were never built. People who lived in the townhouses across the street would park on the far edge of the lot.
We did not care, our landlord didn't care. The residents would sometimes come into the office and ask about renting a spot and we would just say that we aren't in the parking business and they could go right ahead and park. However tow truck drivers and towing companies would also come into the office offering to tow those cars. One dude even came in with a video of people walking from the townhouses to the parking lot. One guy offered a $20 kickback per towed car.
Confronted by one of these individuals I would usually suggest some other alternative services they could provide in that would represent a more honest living.
In the late 90's I worked at a computer store and I would often have heated exchanges of words with the characters trying to tow our customers cars from our designated parking spots. I would sometimes have to tell these guys to fuck off half a dozen times a day.
While I am sure videos of these encounters would not put me in a very good light, I'm not terribly troubled by them.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Sen. Walter Sobchak
(8,692 posts)If your entire livelihood is dependent on inconveniencing and extorting people, you're going to run into some hostility.
Lets see your state of mind and cadence after you had to sprint into the parking lot in 110 degree weather for the fifth or sixth time that day to stop a customer's car from being towed.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)It's almost blue collar-ish.
Keep digging.
Sen. Walter Sobchak
(8,692 posts)Be sure to mention it when your trying to negotiate down the "drop fee"
Check out the fine bunch of folks you're carrying the water for:
http://www.yelp.com/biz/advanced-towing-arlington
http://www.bbb.org/washington-dc-eastern-pa/business-reviews/towing-automotive/advanced-towing-company-llc-in-arlington-va-8501/
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Last edited Fri Apr 17, 2015, 04:37 PM - Edit history (1)
I've yet to meet a tow truck driver who owned either his truck or the company whose name was on the door. You are aware that tow truck drivers keep logs, right? And that they have to log times and mileages? AND that they don't set rates for their services?
The Server at the restaurant you ate at last didn't price your meal, nor did they prepare it. I'm betting they'd get the same grief from you though that you give others whose jobs/services you don't like. Not liking a service or a business gives you license to act the way you do. I'm guessing Servers are just as likely to experience your wrath as tow truck drivers.
You use "Sen." in your nick... yet you're NO Champion of Regular People.
Yelp reviews? Of a towing service? Really? Expecting more than a handful of decent reviews for a business like that is like expecting Vin Scully to talk about what an awesome team the San Francisco Giants are when they're beating the Dodgers at Dodger Stadium.
It doesn't really matter what I say here, I'm positive you're going to continue berating people whose service you aren't happy with. Leopards never change their spots, right?
Sen. Walter Sobchak
(8,692 posts)Nothing prevents the towing company from providing corroborating documentation to the BBB. If you have an F with the BBB, accounts of credit card fraud and illegitimate tows on Yelp, one pretty blonde girl people want to kick the bucket out from under so they can feel better about themselves isn't the problem here.
The tow truck driver I had arrested was "on the clock", does that absolve him of all responsibility?
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)First, I don't care who "Walter Sobchak" is (or isn't as the case may be; didn't see the movie and fictional characters have a way of remaining fictional with me).
Second, "one pretty blonde girl people want to kick the bucket out from under" most certainly IS the problem. You don't like what the pretty little blonde girl does for a living, so you'd kick a bucket out from underneath her just to make yourself feel better? You'd do the same to a Hostess or Server I bet. Fuck me runnin'.
I'm a Trash Man. I use a truck called a front-loader to empty commercial dumpsters at stores, hotels, resorts, apartments, and such. I get shit all the time from people... people who seem to think much the same as you do. I get it all from why isn't my trash dumped at the exact same time every day to hey asshole you put the bin down three inches too far to the left and YOU FUCKING CUT ME OFF IN YOUR SLOW TRUCK ASSHOLE!
Just recently the owner of our local AM/PM ran out to the parking lot and started shrieking at me about always coming at a different time. I calmly (I even shut the truck down, so I didn't have to shout over it) told him I service a different group of businesses every day and the company, in the interest of efficiency decides which order I pick them up in so that the company minimizes its cost/mile. His response (and I paraphrase) was "what the fuck you know? You're only trashman!" I told him my boss's number was on the side of my truck, my name was Chris, and that he was more than welcome to talk to my boss about the quality of my service. "FUCK YOU!" was his response.
Before the encounter was over, he was screaming about occasionally being charged for an overfilled dumpster. Now, the rules I was given when I started say if the container's lid doesn't lay flat on top of the container, and is held up by excess trash, they get charged an overage. Simple. And not my call... usually.
The owner of the local donut shop runs a cup of coffee out to me every morning. Even on mornings I when I don't service her business she comes out and waves for me to stop. Hot or cold, raining or snowing. The manager of the 7/11 brings me a sweet tea every afternoon, and sometimes even a hot dog. Other businesses treat me well, with Christmas presents or discounts and such. Do you think those businesses get a break on the occasional overfill charge, or that I open the enclosures to their bins even if I'm not supposed to but maybe the weather is bad? Guess.
The guy who screams at me "You're only trashman!"... do you think he ever gets the occasional break? As far as I'm concerned, he can go fuck himself and if there's so much as a piece of paper between a lid and the dumpster he's getting charged for an overfull dumpster.
You're that guy. The guy that tow truck drivers who're doing their job HATE to see running in their direction. No wonder you have such a rough time with them.
Sen. Walter Sobchak
(8,692 posts)Someone in the predatory towing industry has a reasonable expectation they are going to be in persistent conflict with the general public all-day, every-day. The "service" you are providing is going to make your involuntary customer very angry. There aren't very many other potential outcomes.
In your line of work it should be reasonably difficult to come into conflict with the general public on a daily basis.
The only reason I ever had to run in a tow truck drivers direction is because they were about to tow one of our legitimately parked customer's cars. The only reason I called the police was because they were attempting to tow a company vehicle from our loading dock. For the record the vehicle was vinyl wrapped in our logo. Then there was the wonderful experience from my youth where a friend's legally parked car was towed and the towing assholes came right out and threatened to steal the stereo.
Sorry, short of violence I am going to empathize with the motorist every single time.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Sen. Walter Sobchak
(8,692 posts)ND-Dem
(4,571 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)for saying what I'd like to in this thread.
ohnoyoudidnt
(1,858 posts)Not very smart. I don't think it was her degree that got her on television, but it might come in handy for a future job search.
VScott
(774 posts)And he was somewhat polite about it without insulting the poor girls appearance or education,
he didn't he place himself in a position of superiority, and he wasn't in a high profile public position.
Look what it got him.
I hope she suffers the same fate.
Fuck both of them.
ohnoyoudidnt
(1,858 posts)Most posters on liveleak seem to agree.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=9d1_1429192014#comment_page=2
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)libdem4life
(13,877 posts)they'd be talking to my attorney. Guess she'll be finding out first hand about the news cycle. What does she report on, the WWW?
ohnoyoudidnt
(1,858 posts)My guess would be eye candy that reads a teleprompter and nowhere near the level of an Olbermann.
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Logical
(22,457 posts)VScott
(774 posts)I'm amazed that both are still up
MH1
(17,686 posts)until she quits.
(oh and cut her pay accordingly)
I don't want her on the street using my tax dollars for social services that she doesn't even support politically.
They certainly shouldn't have her return to on-air work for a long, long time.
That said, she's young and I believe in the potential for rehabilitation for almost anyone. But how do you get an entitled young person like this to develop empathy? That's the problem that needs to be solved. She damn sure isn't the first entitled p.o.s. to make a working person's life miserable.
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,389 posts)... my house and on the route home from a friend's place. Many a Saturday night I've driven past the lot to see a line out the door and chicago's finest responding to a disturbance call.
bluestateguy
(44,173 posts)we need to look at the practices of the towing industry and why it is they push many people over the edge into becoming angry.
Towing companies, and a lot of drivers, are not known for being the most reputable people out there.
joeybee12
(56,177 posts)vehicle...the guy was the worst person on the planet.
THat said, Britt should be fired.
Logical
(22,457 posts)ND-Dem
(4,571 posts)or asked the attendant how she could stand working for a crooked company -- if crooked was what she believed was happening.
But to attack the minimum wage employee on the basis of weight, looks, teeth, lack of education/intelligence, not being on TV -- as if that had anything to do with the situation -- and claim her own weight, looks, teeth & education & TV presence to be superior, as if superiority of those assets was the issue -- tells you a great deal about this (very ugly and creepy) person.
Logical
(22,457 posts)ohnoyoudidnt
(1,858 posts)That doesn't mean you go off on the clerk the way she did. People can show their true nature when they get angry. She could have called the company crooks with a little profanity and it wouldn't get the attention this is going to get, but she had to get nasty and personal.
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)about whatever unfair treatment she felt she experienced. People who go off on front-desk people who have no control over what's going on are assholes.
kcr
(15,334 posts)She showed her true nature. Dealing with tow companies or the equivalent aggravation is a part of life and plenty of people deal with it without becoming abusive, and the rare instance they actually face any consequences for it is something to be celebrated.
Marr
(20,317 posts)It's just extortion and there's no reasonable means of redress. Pay the money now or it'll be more expensive tomorrow. And the next day. And the next.
ND-Dem
(4,571 posts)ugly faces, lack of education and lack of media jobs? And your own superiority in those areas?
Marr
(20,317 posts)But the towing companies really do get out of control in a lot of places.
ND-Dem
(4,571 posts)should have taken it up with someone who had power instead of attacking someone who didn't.
Marr
(20,317 posts)I've already said I'm not defending this boor. This is a discussion board. There's room for more than thumbs up emoticons and "+1's".
ND-Dem
(4,571 posts)Nothing personal about it and nothing aimed at you. I understood what you meant.
I do agree with you. This Britt McHenry person seems like a real, spoiled asshole.
ND-Dem
(4,571 posts)Well, that's a great way to handle it.
I don't feel a bit sorry for her. She has the money to pay. If she didn't like the company's practices, she probably has the money to hire a lawyer and sue, too.
But it's just so much easier to insult some minimum wage employee about their looks, as though they were the guilty party.
BainsBane
(53,142 posts)In fact she comes across like a complete idiot. She's on TV. She was warned there was video, yet he still acted like that. Therefore she seems like an idiot.
JustAnotherGen
(32,171 posts)Except she's also a smug and vain idiot.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)likely be a comment from whomever was on the other side of the window. I don't see, in this environment, how McHenry keeps her job at all.
VScott
(774 posts)Followed by a 'Go fund Me' account, which the the tow company she works for will try to
claim for themselves... it's inevitable.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)If entitled people get caught flaunting their entitlement in public...and with cell phones and surveillance cameras, the chances are getting better and better...they will have to learn how to "muzzle it". Hell,she didn't even care she was being filmed.
I think negative comments on the recipient or his/her actions are best left alone.
Going out on a limb here...but I'm guessing it was a lower-socioeconomic ample, black woman.
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libdem4life
(13,877 posts)their "betters" any more, because it will embarrass ESPN, and more and more of these cell phone/camera incidents are holding people responsible. Classist, likely racist, body-shaming and still preening for the camera?
When these things get out into the national view, people are forced to look at their own bigotry. I'll bet you blondie doesn't say things like that in public any more. Her co-workers likely already knew that about her, but cringed nonetheless to see it on the internet. That's why ESPN ... unfortunately it's called Deep Pockets ... needs to get rid of her. That might work.
My question is, why not?
onenote
(42,949 posts)That makes no sense at all.
If being insulting to someone was grounds for a lawsuit, there would be five lawsuits a day filed against DUers.
By the way, I don't condone McHenry's (or whatever her name is) behavior in the slightest and I'm glad she was suspended and i hope this little video incident follows her around forever.
But suing? Really?
SickOfTheOnePct
(7,290 posts)McHenry was acting like an ass, no doubt, but no way should anyone be sued.
tblue37
(65,661 posts)Inkfreak
(1,695 posts)In no way do I condone her horrible attitude. But I never understood people's desire to yank away someone's livelihood. "I don't like what she did, fire her!" It's crazy. She wasn't on the job.
Know I realize she's on TV and ESPN will not want the negative publicity, and I'm sure they'll take what they believe to be appropriate action. But the calls for termination are not an answer. This very site has had much nastier things posted about others. I wonder if they too should be fired. But I suppose it's different cause, they feel "just" in doing so. Anonymity helps, too.
It's a trend I see a lot these days on the Internet & on social media. "Fire them!!"
I find it distasteful. Just my 2 cents.
Lemme again say, she was acting like a complete snot and very elitist. Suspension seems appropriate.
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Inkfreak
(1,695 posts)Just to let everyone else know their rightousness. You don't wanna be on the wrong side of history with this lil news item (whatever it may be). Condemn it loudly and harshly. What's the end game in these scenarios? I don't get it. Maybe a sense of satisfaction. But then it's just about you and your feelings.
I am speaking of minor issues such as this, of course. There are instances where job termination is justified. But I see so many stories like these pushed out into the social media arena and the outrage it incurs is mind boggling. And a bit mind numbing. Not a popular opinion, I'm sure.
kcr
(15,334 posts)It sure seems like it.
Inkfreak
(1,695 posts)Probably a circular argument. But I'm not calling for anyones termination.
kcr
(15,334 posts)As if it's so unreasonable.
Inkfreak
(1,695 posts)kcr
(15,334 posts)You condemn those calling for her termination, obviously.
Inkfreak
(1,695 posts)You are free to to infer whatever you like as it doesn't affect me in the slightest. I've posted what I meant to and am not looking for a pissing match. Have a great night, I'll leave you to have the last word.
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Inkfreak
(1,695 posts)My larger point was that so many today are calling for people job termination over things that don't seem to warrant it, IMO. You're free to disagree, no worries. I'm ok with my position.
MrBig
(640 posts)Your logic and reasonable thinking is inappropriate on an internet website! *something something invoke Godwin's Law something something*
But yeah - you hit the nail on the head with this post.
kcr
(15,334 posts)Sorry.
Inkfreak
(1,695 posts)AngryAmish
(25,704 posts)We look up to folks with high social status but if they prove themselves unworthy of that status we expect revenge.
ND-Dem
(4,571 posts)with revenge.
ohnoyoudidnt
(1,858 posts)A 1 week suspension will teach her nothing. Showing that such behavior is unacceptable and will result in undesired consequences it will make people like her think twice before acting. If she losses her job over this and takes something less and her job goes to a better person, I have no problem with that.
If any of the Westboro assholes worked for me, I would fire them in a second. I don't care if their actions are off the clock. They are only protected because many of them work in the government.
Inkfreak
(1,695 posts)Consequences rarely affect people who's attitude suck from the get-go. I would also fire the Westboro people if I could. I find their views disgusting. Although I wonder if that'd be legal. I honestly don't know. I'm fine with whatever ESPN does. My larger point is the trend I see these days of people crying for termination for being a bit of an ass. I'd think we'd have quite a large unemployment rate if this was the norm. Because people have quite a tendency to be assholes every now and again at some point. Sometimes in a small way. Sometimes in a large way.
being unemployed suddenly doesn't make you a better person.
Logical
(22,457 posts)Inkfreak
(1,695 posts)ND-Dem
(4,571 posts)ohnoyoudidnt
(1,858 posts)Executing someone and firing someone are two extremely different things. She was not being a bit of an ass. She was being as big of an ass as you can be. And yes, it would be legal for you to fire the Westoboro assholes if you were a private company. I didn't say losing her job would make her a better person, but it would make her think twice before acting the way she did in the future.
Inkfreak
(1,695 posts)Micro & macro. And I was speaking of the larger trend. And frankly, having a hissyfit at the towing place is not as big an ass as you can be. There are far worse actions in life. Far worse. But I'm not here to defend her actions. Clearly she was wrong, I just don't believe it's a fireable offense. Ymmv.
treestar
(82,383 posts)And most people would not act like that, ever. Classic snobbism. 1%er stuff.
Inkfreak
(1,695 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)And she likely is not a 1%er either. Merely thinks she is.
ND-Dem
(4,571 posts)and assets than yourself, and that's what she did, very knowingly and explicitly.
"You're nobody, I'm somebody, you're ugly and fat, I'm pretty and thin, I have education and a high-paid job, you work in this dirty hole for minimum wage and have cooties."
Inkfreak
(1,695 posts)ND-Dem
(4,571 posts)Inkfreak
(1,695 posts)Nor do I have need to have a history of posts condeming minimum wage workers being fired, per your other post. I've stated I don't think people should be fired, no matter the wage when it comes to issues such as these. ymmv.
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rpannier
(24,360 posts)However, she is a 'face' of the company and her behavior is a reflection on ESPN
There is likely wording in her contract that calls for her to not embarrass ESPN in public
If that clause does exist, they can fire her and likely will do so
It will depend on the blow back from what she said and did
Inkfreak
(1,695 posts)This story just got me thinking about a larger trend I see these days where a people seem to call for job termination when something they do comes to the light or day. I'm not against consequences but I don't like people's livelihoods being taken away. No work equals no pay equals huge problems. That's all I was thinking.
bedazzled
(1,775 posts)or perhaps she can learn what it's like to do a job you hate, and not have enough money to have your teeth fixed...
Inkfreak
(1,695 posts)rpannier
(24,360 posts)I think we've become too intolerant of stupid stuff people say and do
My guess is, if she had spewed some anti-bs against someone people here didn't like there'd be screaming about her right to an opinion
Taking away someone's livelihood is a dangerous precedent, because it becomes everyday instead of in only the most very extreme circumstances
The blowback is often ugly
ND-Dem
(4,571 posts)blonde.
Skittles
(153,507 posts)she is disgusting
Inkfreak
(1,695 posts)Opinions differ, though.
treestar
(82,383 posts)Meh. Doesn't ruin her whole life.
ND-Dem
(4,571 posts)and there are few who give a rip; most people are calling for their head.
I guess pretty blonds with big media contracts deserve better.
Inkfreak
(1,695 posts)As stated many times in this thread. I don't think people's jobs should be terminated for relatively minor things. Regardless of wage.
ND-Dem
(4,571 posts)I haven't noticed you complaining when some minimum wage worker got fired. and there have been a number of cases discussed here at DU.
Calista241
(5,586 posts)Faryn Balyncd
(5,125 posts)(nice gentleman there.)
That video is unbelievable.
calimary
(81,732 posts)Sen. Walter Sobchak
(8,692 posts)When you make a living in extortion and theft people are going to have a negative reaction to you. You can just about count on that.
Fuck the towing industry and everyone employed in it world-wide.
Logical
(22,457 posts)kcr
(15,334 posts)She deserved that abuse from her rich better! She should have remembered that rules are for little people, they should be able to park wherever they want to.
Sen. Walter Sobchak
(8,692 posts)Losing your shit with a towing company is probably the most understandable of public meltdowns.
kcr
(15,334 posts)And is therefore not understandable. How certain are you about her possibilities in life? You're starting to sound like Britt McHenry. Explains some things.
Sen. Walter Sobchak
(8,692 posts)A person was rude to the only representative of the towing company they were likely to have contact with. I don't care in the slightest.
The idea that one should be shamed and punished for that is ridiculous. If she behaved this way at Cinnabon I would entertain the possibility there is a serious personality flaw.
kcr
(15,334 posts)Some people do know the difference. No, I do not and never have abused people in that manner. Most people I know do not do this, in fact.
Sen. Walter Sobchak
(8,692 posts)If she behaves this way in ordinary day-to-day interactions, okay fine, she is an abusive psychopath.
But if in one's interactions with an extortion racket they aren't at their most demure and poised... I'm not inclined to judge their character in that very moment.
kcr
(15,334 posts)like that. It's not an excuse. It's not about losing composure. It's the things she said.
A-Schwarzenegger
(15,596 posts)"Anger is like alcohol. It won't make you racist/classist/sexist etc if you weren't already"
Sen. Walter Sobchak
(8,692 posts)I had oral surgery last summer, you should see the look into my soul my girlfriend and her brother enjoyed bringing me home from the surgical suite. They have like half an hour of video of me ranting about various subjects including women who sell photocopiers.
kcr
(15,334 posts)I haven't studied that. Being heavily sedated after surgery is also a bit different. Although I'll note rambling about women selling photocopiers is a bit different than what Britt McHenry did, so
Look, I don't know very many people who abuse other people like that, even when they're very angry. Probably because I choose not to associate with people like that. It is true that there are people in the world who do not behave in this manner, even when they're angry, I assure you, whatever Mel Gibson is teaching people these days.
Sen. Walter Sobchak
(8,692 posts)I used to work for a major department store, I worked in supply chain but during the prom rush I would camp out in the ladies formals department of a store in Orange County with my laptop. I had access to most of the designer's inventory systems so I could say pretty confidently whether we could get something in a given size by a certain date.
From my little perch I saw a whole lot of angry meltdowns directed at parents who either wouldn't spring for the most expensive gown or go along with the dress with a bellybutton neckline. What is inherently more revealing about this woman's behavior while being extorted by a towing company than the endless litany of young women having temper tantrums over their prom dress and saying horrible hateful things to their parents?
People get mad and say terrible things. Then they calm down and feel guilt and embarrassment.
If this woman behaves this way when she doesn't get enough cream cheese icing at Cinnabon, okay we have an issue. This occurred while she was being extorted. If colleagues and other retail type people come out of the woodwork with tales of her abusive behavior I will concede that she may in fact be a terrible person.
Dorian Gray
(13,549 posts)You keep saying that.
Maybe she's an entitled and selfish ass who parked where she shouldn't and then had to pay the price for it.
It happens.
Suck it up with dignity,
Sen. Walter Sobchak
(8,692 posts)If you don't pay, you eventually lose the vehicle. That is extortion.
If you expect people to be all smiles in their working interactions with you, consider delivering flowers for a living.
Adsos Letter
(19,459 posts)...but I read all of your comments in Walter Sobchak's voice and it really seemed to fit the diction of your writing; although, I'm guessing you probably don't look like John Goodman.
Anyway...as I said, very tangential.
Carry on.
Sen. Walter Sobchak
(8,692 posts)and inventory systems. Although I am Jewish, although both more-so and less-so than Walter Sobchak.
ND-Dem
(4,571 posts)I'm sure the blonde can afford a very decent lawyer -- if she really wanted to get some satisfaction other than berating someone of lower status than herself, which is all she really seems interested in, since demeaning the woman's weight, looks, intelligence and education was all she did.
treestar
(82,383 posts)we should be able to park anywhere?
rpannier
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Sen. Walter Sobchak
(8,692 posts)I suppose I should have walked to the nearest stripmall and found the 4x6" sign in foot high weeds and called whatever towing company was listed there.
Dorian Gray
(13,549 posts)However, I've had people park in front of my driveway (in Brooklyn), and I've called to have their cars towed. (You can only do it once their cars have been ticketed.) Why do I do this? Because they are blocking my car in and I have somewhere to go. There are no parking signs on the sidewalk. They don't pay attention or follow the rules.
Tow companies do serve a function.
And while they can be infuriating for the people towed..... why would you treat anybody who works for them like this?
ND-Dem
(4,571 posts)Tom Ripley
(4,945 posts)Submariner
(12,526 posts)which would make all of its content Fox-appropriate.
WhaTHellsgoingonhere
(5,252 posts)That was probably a good career move.
Iris
(15,695 posts)She seems like someone who might have had a hard time getting through college, perhaps for financial or academic reasons. Who brags about having a degree?
It was bad behavior but I'm getting squeamish about a surveillance state that causes people to lose the ability to make a living based on a single bad episode caught on video.
ND-Dem
(4,571 posts)in a small town with a more educated and wealthier and whiter demographic than average.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satellite_High_School
Her dad is a retired Air Force Lt. Colonel
Private university + Private journalism school = upper middle class
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Britt_McHenry
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stetson_University (magna cum laude)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northwestern_University
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medill_School_of_Journalism
hasn't bought her any class, though
Iris
(15,695 posts)Enough said.
ND-Dem
(4,571 posts)and I'd bet it's a better school than, say, u. of phoenix.
Jenoch
(7,720 posts)They read some of the Tweets about this ESPN reporter. One of the Tweets seemed to excuse her behavior because she is 'hot'. My reaction is that she is one of the ugliest people I have seen on Youtube in a long time.
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Skittles
(153,507 posts)this woman is sickening
Marr
(20,317 posts)and the moron looked at the camera... and just kept on rolling. Not much self control.
LibDemAlways
(15,139 posts)and I admittedly have no idea what the circumstances were. Perhaps the towing was justified. Perhaps it wasn't. Frankly, i can imagine that I'd be tempted to have a few choice words for the towing company if I felt I had done nothing wrong and was being extorted. However, under no circumstances would I level personal insults critical of a clerk's weight, teeth, social status or anything else. Nor would I lord my education or job over anybody. That is the behavior of an asshole and should never be tolerated. Any complaints about the towing should have been addressed to the manager of the operation and should have been confined to the matter at hand. What she did was totally out of line, and since she did reference her job, she deserves to be held accountable with whatever disciplinary action her employer deems appropriate.
Dorian Gray
(13,549 posts)Skittles
(153,507 posts)bedazzled
(1,775 posts)snarf
Vinca
(50,359 posts)And don't call me sexist. This is the nicest thing I could think of to say about her.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)What does the attendant say to her there at the end?
Logical
(22,457 posts)DanTex
(20,709 posts)I can't make it out. It seems to piss Britt off. Wondering what it is. Obviously, it doesn't justify anything.
Throd
(7,208 posts)hughee99
(16,113 posts)I found it odd that this was categorized as a "fat shaming video" when it's clearly so much more than that.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)She can learn some manners.
Oneironaut
(5,561 posts)Call them out for what they are. Fat shaming is for weak bullies. If you need to make fun of someone's appearance, you are most likely an idiot who is not worth listening to.
I wonder how she would feel if someone did the same thing to her?
pintobean
(18,101 posts)and don't give her the time of day.
She also had a truthy problem with the Redskins last fall.
Novara
(5,906 posts)You DON'T talk to people like that, period. So you're angry at the company that towed your car, understandable. But you don't take it out on the first convenient target just because you can, and you don't hit below the belt, which is what she did. Personal attacks on strangers are never justified. She may not have been on ESPN's clock, but she did refer to her job, so yeah, they definitely should suspend her.
Look, everybody has a bad day. A lot of people sometimes let fly on some poor, unsuspecting person just because they're pissed off and there's a target there. I have done that too, and immediately apologized because it wasn't the person's fault I was in a shitty mood. But I try not to do it.
ND-Dem
(4,571 posts)education when I did. That's way beyond the pale and the sign of an out-of-control, out-of-touch, raving asshole.
and right-winger (she is) with a blazing sense of entitlement/superiority complex. It's their basic MO; they think they "made it" completely on their own merit and anyone who didn't is scum they can wipe their boots on.
AlinPA
(15,071 posts)polichick
(37,152 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)What a poor excuse for a human being. Can't believe she only gets a weeks paid vacation out of that screed.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)shove them down and cuff them...I mean they are not allowed to use sexist, racist gender-specific insults and slurs. Frankly, it's against the law. And people can say she's just stressed, or made a mistake...just, no. I believe some attorney would take that case pro bono just for the publicity...and get people to be less and less "forgiving" when rich, beautiful, nasty people blow off at the mouth. Get it on the news cycle...interview her boss...whatever.
Keith Olbermann never said anything near that nasty...at least that I know of...and I could be wrong...but she needs to learn a much bigger lesson (and those like her) that there are, unbelievable as it may seem to this type, actual consequences for taking out their oversized ego problems on other folk.
ND-Dem
(4,571 posts)trouble. (and it's usually the difference between those of the left and those of the right)
and never saw him attack people for their appearance.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)zappaman
(20,606 posts)Who knew?!
lpbk2713
(42,792 posts)She's a walking contradiction.
ND-Dem
(4,571 posts)Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)TeeYiYi
(8,028 posts)Life imitating art. "Boop boop."
TYY
woolldog
(8,791 posts)ESPN Reporter Britt McHenry Has A History Of Being Rude As Hell
http://deadspin.com/espn-reporter-britt-mchenry-has-a-history-of-being-rude-1698483713
She's also a Palin fan:
Kingofalldems
(38,555 posts)alp227
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the hits just keep on coming; dirt being dredged everywhere.
Item: We received an email from someone who credibly claims to have been a former classmate of McHenrys at Northwestern:
Overall she was just very stuck up and stuck on herself. She would barely associate herself with most of us in the program. She asked one classmate who was cool with most folks why do you still hang out with those Medilldos? Most of us lived either in Evanston or not far from it in Chicago and there would be times Id see her outside of class and she would just walk past me on the street without speaking. This wasnt a huge program. Our incoming quarter was around 35-40 people and were spending 8 hours a day, 5 days a week together for the most part. She was in Medills DC program for the last quarter and it was well-known among most of the people there that she and another girl filmed fake stand ups for their reporter reels. Not long ago she got into a Facebook spat with a classmate whose wife is expecting a baby after she complained about having to see so many baby pictures in her newsfeed. At best, her work back then was mediocre and other people in the program with about the same skill set never landed jobs after graduating on top of the many people with better skills who never found work either.
http://deadspin.com/espn-reporter-britt-mchenry-has-a-history-of-being-rude-1698483713
I watched some of her work; can't say I see anything special about it. Kind of mediocre IMO. Not particularly interesting, inventive, intelligent, sparkly -- nothing really stands out.
Tanuki
(14,935 posts)to slam and "get even" with the towing company the day after the incident, several days before the video of her nasty behavior surfaced. How coincidental is it that she just happened to be mentioned:
"Towing in Arlington has again been in the news lately.
Last week a driver with Advanced Towing hooked a car at the CVS parking lot on Columbia Pike, before realizing that there were children inside. The driver unhooked the car but the cars owner still told his story to a local TV station.
......Then, last night, more towing drama: ESPN sportscaster Britt McHenry had her car towed by Advanced during dinner in Arlington. She was not happy about it.
Just got towed after eating dinner at an establishment in Arlington. How corrupt is Advanced Towing?
Britt McHenry (@BrittMcHenry) April 6, 2015"....
http://www.arlnow.com/2015/04/06/morning-poll-doing-their-job-or-preying-on-you/
romanic
(2,841 posts)Birds of a feather right?
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)I just hate the double standard.
If a male had done this, his ass would be out the door for good 3 weeks ago and rightly so.
But Miss bleached blond "I'm better than all you unwashed toothless masses" is still on the payroll.
WTF ESPN?
SoCalDem
(103,856 posts)Midwestern Democrat
(806 posts)pintobean
(18,101 posts)Midwestern Democrat
(806 posts)Any reputable company wouldn't even think of uploading the audio of these calls to the internet for no purpose other than to embarrass someone.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)the restaurant was. The intent was definitely to embarrass someone, just like McHenry's intent.
Someone stood up for their employee.
mercuryblues
(14,581 posts)her princess parking pass got revoked.
Novara
(5,906 posts)....and I can't believe I agree with it but I do: Raissman: If Britt McHenry was a man, she would be fired
Equality for all is something we should support.
Thats no grand revelation.
Yet this axiom popped fresh after watching Britt McHenry, the ESPN reporter, berate a female towing company employee on a video that went viral. McHenry got what amounted to a slap on the wrist, receiving a one- week vacation, er, suspension after the video surfaced last week.
Let us be clear here: If Chris Berman, Mike Tirico, Mike Breen or any other male ESPN voice was caught on video telling a hard working woman, Im on television and youre in a f---ing trailer honey, and adding other graphic put-downs, they would have received a lot more than one week on the bench.
It would be no surprise if they wouldve been flat-out fired. In this particular case, McHenry had gender on her side. At least thats our perception.
Read more: http://m.nydailynews.com/sports/raissman-britt-mchenry-man-fired-article-1.2189955
If it was a man berating a woman he probably would be fired. So why is she not fired? Because it's a woman bullying another woman? Why should that make a difference, really?
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)But if this was a man, I think you're correct...he'd have been fired.
bluestateguy
(44,173 posts)VScott
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Octafish
(55,745 posts)Dunno who the dude with the black box over his head is.
MinM
(2,650 posts)I was driving through Northern Michigan on Friday and one of the few radio stations I could pull in had Rush Limbaugh asking the question .. "Is Britt a liberal or conservative?"
Of course the obvious implication with him asking the question was that he presumed her to be liberal. Wrong again blue pill breath.