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Triana

(22,666 posts)
Sat Apr 18, 2015, 07:49 PM Apr 2015

“We live in a faux democracy, which is why everyone’s so cynical and nobody votes”

. . .

We live in a kind of faux democracy right now, which is why everyone’s so cynical and nobody votes. We’re only interested in politics as a form of personal gossip, because the system seems to be immune to popular sentiment about a variety of things. I think the feeling of widespread hostility to the business and financial community is clear after the crash of 2008. But it never registered inside these political parties because they’re so beholden to those same corporate financial interests.

One form of acquiescence is a kind of abdication: Why bother? Nothing’s going to change. Even though polls will again and again show that people have various sentiments in favor of extending social welfare, universal health care and so on and so forth, none of this ever makes its way into the halls of Congress.

But anyway, to get back to your point, I think Occupy may have been a straw in the wind. Even if it didn’t itself persevere, there are other signs of restiveness in the country which I briefly allude to in my book, which may in the years ahead give rebirth to the kind of anti-capitalism that I talk about in the nineteenth century.

These are small signs. But I think one of the bigger ones is the environmental movement. After all, the environmental movement is certainly an exception to the rule that I’m laying down, that we live in an Age of Acquiescence. The environmental movement has lasted for decades. It’s grown; it’s grown in the teeth of having won very little. That might be a measure of its failure. But normally when movements fail they collapse. The environmental movement has, on the contrary, grown. I think, increasingly, people may see that capitalism, at least as presently constituted, and a sustainable environment are incompatible.


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“We live in a faux democracy, which is why everyone’s so cynical and nobody votes” (Original Post) Triana Apr 2015 OP
36% voted in 2014, republicans got enough Senators to take the majority. Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #1
I agree with you. But try to get anyone to vote. Triana Apr 2015 #2
The story "they are not motivating the voters" is one of the lamest excuse. Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #3
Many only vote when there's a clear choice and a lot at stake leveymg Apr 2015 #12
+1,000 Scuba Apr 2015 #13
The one percent will win regardless of how many people vote. that's why people don't vote Doctor_J Apr 2015 #6
We did not have huge Democratic majorities to over ride a filibuster, in fact there was a 56-58/ Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #7
we had far bigger majorities than the republicans need to pass their agenda, and if the Doctor_J Apr 2015 #8
Say whatever you please, the fact the Senate needs 60 votes to pass most bills. Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #9
Those are the facts. Democratic majority wasted. Octafish Apr 2015 #16
In every state that has "Vote By Mail" almost eighty percent turned out to vote. Bandit Apr 2015 #15
This message was self-deleted by its author guillaumeb Apr 2015 #4
+1 n/t Triana Apr 2015 #5
Can 64% of voters win elections? Sure they can, the 1% wins because they also vote. Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #10
they also influence a lot of votes. it's not because 1% votes. cali Apr 2015 #14
64% does not influence congressional members, why should they worry about the non voters Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #18
I don't think that the voters or rather sadoldgirl Apr 2015 #11
I'm cynical, I vote. 99Forever Apr 2015 #17
Cynicism is a self-fulfilling prophecy. hay rick Apr 2015 #19

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
1. 36% voted in 2014, republicans got enough Senators to take the majority.
Sat Apr 18, 2015, 08:31 PM
Apr 2015

Those who wants to remain cynical and now they complain about the 1%, 64% was big enough to change the outcome of an election. The 1% continues to "buy" elections and the 64% are anxious to have the 1% control everything.

Doesn't seem like remaining cynical is helping the causes of the 90%.

 

Triana

(22,666 posts)
2. I agree with you. But try to get anyone to vote.
Sat Apr 18, 2015, 08:36 PM
Apr 2015

Even here on DU admonitions to GOTV sink like a rock. There's a long of whinging about the nominee or potential nominee or this or that issue or whatever, though.

When people don't get involved, pay attention to politicians and issues and don't vote, they're GIVING THEIR POWER, THEIR INFLUENCE AND THEIR ECONOMY AND COUNTRY AWAY to the rich. I cannot deny that however fucked up our so-called "Democracy" is today, voter and citizen apathy has a lot to do with how it got that way -- and why it stays that way.

It's not the sole reason. But it's one of many.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
3. The story "they are not motivating the voters" is one of the lamest excuse.
Sat Apr 18, 2015, 08:39 PM
Apr 2015

They complain about not having alternative candidates, I think it may be the voters are not motivating possible candidates.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
12. Many only vote when there's a clear choice and a lot at stake
Sat Apr 18, 2015, 11:05 PM
Apr 2015

Nobody ever votes because they've been shamed into it. That's why the centrist path being taken by centrist Dems so often leads to the GOP winning elections.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
6. The one percent will win regardless of how many people vote. that's why people don't vote
Sat Apr 18, 2015, 10:02 PM
Apr 2015

We had a chance at a recovery in 2009-10, but we got more corporate rule even with huge democratic majorities, and many 2008 voters woke up to the fact that no one on the ballot they filled out actually wanted to help them. Or, fast forward to this year, what would be different now if the democrats had kept the Senate?

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
7. We did not have huge Democratic majorities to over ride a filibuster, in fact there was a 56-58/
Sat Apr 18, 2015, 10:20 PM
Apr 2015

42/40 split with 2 independents.

Who was your candidates in 2008?

There was civil rights marches for years before the civil rights bill was passed. You can sit back and say "our issues" was not taken care of and not vote and I assure you your issues will fall either on the back burner. If you don't think the GOP does not read DU nut they do. Somewhere you probably heard McConnell declaring he was going to do everything in his power to block Obama's agenda, well he was somewhat successful. Not voting is giving the GOP the majority, which one do you think is going to handle your issues?

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
8. we had far bigger majorities than the republicans need to pass their agenda, and if the
Sat Apr 18, 2015, 10:26 PM
Apr 2015

Dems can't govern with 59 senators and 260 house members, and the white house, people aren't going to respect them. Especially when the president appoints corporate stooges to the cabinet.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
9. Say whatever you please, the fact the Senate needs 60 votes to pass most bills.
Sat Apr 18, 2015, 10:41 PM
Apr 2015

The 64% who did not got could have elected their own members so talk to the 64% who did not vote and see why they can't get their candidates elected.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
16. Those are the facts. Democratic majority wasted.
Sun Apr 19, 2015, 08:37 AM
Apr 2015

If they'd passed legislation for jobs, schools, housing - raised taxes on the rich and ended wars for profit, we'd have gained seats in 2012, and in the statehouses, too.

Bandit

(21,475 posts)
15. In every state that has "Vote By Mail" almost eighty percent turned out to vote.
Sun Apr 19, 2015, 08:35 AM
Apr 2015

Why do Democrats fight so hard to keep things as they are?

Response to Triana (Original post)

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
18. 64% does not influence congressional members, why should they worry about the non voters
Sun Apr 19, 2015, 01:46 PM
Apr 2015

they will not be out next time to vote against them.

sadoldgirl

(3,431 posts)
11. I don't think that the voters or rather
Sat Apr 18, 2015, 10:47 PM
Apr 2015

the non-voters are necessarily cynical, but far more
resigned to the idea, that none of the politicians
will stand up for them.

It is apathy and resignation, imo.

hay rick

(7,636 posts)
19. Cynicism is a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Sun Apr 19, 2015, 02:44 PM
Apr 2015

Young people are opting out. In my area, participation by all voters in the 2014 election was 56%. Participation by 18-22 year olds was less than 19%. Politicians can safely ignore their needs and concerns- and that in turn will further reinforce their skepticism. Democracy without participation is a sham.

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