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Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
Sun Apr 19, 2015, 02:21 AM Apr 2015

Why the atrocities of Henry Kissinger should be mandatory reading


In an appearance at Yale last week, the Nixon official's horrific record was casually glossed over. But why?.................. goes on to explain Yale's whitewashing history of Kissinger.




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So, in the interest of Lux et Veritas—“Light and Truth,” Yale’s official motto—a brief recapitulation of Kissinger’s record is in order:


1. Sabotaging U.S. Government Diplomacy

Five days before the 1968 election, President Lyndon B. Johnson ordered a bombing halt of North Vietnam to begin negotiating an end to the Vietnam War. Johnson needed to keep this decision a secret; any leak could jeopardize the peace he was seeking. Kissinger, who had been an adviser to the negotiators, called the Nixon campaign and said, “I’ve got some information.........................


2. Illegal War in Cambodia

Nixon-Kissinger expanded the Vietnam War to include carpet bombings of Laos and Cambodia. “It’s an order, it’s to be done. Anything that flies, on anything that moves. You got that?” is how Kissinger relayed his boss’s order. Nearly 3 million tons of bombs were dropped ......................................................



3. Complicity in Pakistan’s Genocide in Bangladesh

In 1971, Bangladesh (then East Pakistan) declared independence from Pakistan after winning a democratic election that was not honored by the military dictatorship in power. .......................



4. More crimes in Chile, Iraq, East Timor, Cyprus

Kissinger aided the violent overthrow of Chile’s government by the war criminal Augosto Pinochet in 1973. “I don’t see why we need to stand by and watch a country go Communist due to the irresponsibility of its people,” .........................................



http://www.salon.com/2015/04/17/the_ivy_leagues_favorite_war_criminal_why_the_atrocities_of_henry_kissinger_should_be_mandatory_reading/
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Why the atrocities of Henry Kissinger should be mandatory reading (Original Post) Ichingcarpenter Apr 2015 OP
No argument from me. I was born in Chile of an ex-pat American but Cleita Apr 2015 #1
Federal judge allows lawsuit to proceed in slaying of Chilean folk singer killed after 1973 coup Ichingcarpenter Apr 2015 #4
A tragic story. I read it a while ago and it is despicable that those in this country who aided and sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #37
k+r nationalize the fed Apr 2015 #2
there is something really creepy about that picture. ND-Dem Apr 2015 #15
Something even more creepy about the notion that this country has any right to interfere in the sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #38
From right to left Scootaloo Apr 2015 #21
k&r - words cannot begin to describe how much I loathe how our elites continue to fete this scarletwoman Apr 2015 #3
Me too. Enthusiast Apr 2015 #6
+ infinity CrawlingChaos Apr 2015 #7
+ another Scuba Apr 2015 #22
Including someone who lauded him IN WRITING hifiguy Apr 2015 #36
Henry Kissinger is certainly no patriot. (as some would say) Enthusiast Apr 2015 #5
I remember arguing with my professor about Kissinger's sick view JDPriestly Apr 2015 #8
I didn't know you were a PK awoke_in_2003 Apr 2015 #27
Today, the church is being infiltrated by a lot of wild fundamentalists JDPriestly Apr 2015 #30
I hear you awoke_in_2003 Apr 2015 #32
Smart man! JDPriestly Apr 2015 #33
hyperbolic nonsense. stonecutter357 Apr 2015 #9
yes your post is hyperbolic nonsense Ichingcarpenter Apr 2015 #10
You're not serious, are you? n/t Scootaloo Apr 2015 #13
yes he is if you know his history n/t Ichingcarpenter Apr 2015 #14
pretending to be morally pure. stonecutter357 Apr 2015 #16
I like pictures. here's a few more from the Kissinger library Scootaloo Apr 2015 #20
We need an alert system awoke_in_2003 Apr 2015 #28
if only it were one. reddread Apr 2015 #34
Tell it to the victims of his participation in war crimes. He is wanted in Chile right now for sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #40
Why am I not surprised to see a Clinton supporter defend Henry Kissinger? nm rhett o rick Apr 2015 #41
K&R Solly Mack Apr 2015 #11
k&r! G_j Apr 2015 #12
Kissinger Didn't Do It All Himself--It's the Political System That Needs Change Demeter Apr 2015 #17
Which is why the Nuremberg trials went after the top Ichingcarpenter Apr 2015 #18
Ah, the good old days! Demeter Apr 2015 #19
We need our own Nuremberg trials and the whole MIC leadership needs Cleita Apr 2015 #24
Have you read any of Kissinger's books? JDPriestly Apr 2015 #31
How does one support a Presidential candidate who speaks glowingly of this war criminal? Scuba Apr 2015 #23
One doesn't. Period. Only if those candidates admit their mistake and condemn this man Cleita Apr 2015 #25
*kick* nt scarletwoman Apr 2015 #26
K&R woo me with science Apr 2015 #29
Kissinger is a monster in human form. hifiguy Apr 2015 #35
My old school, Republican father... Oilwellian Apr 2015 #39

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
1. No argument from me. I was born in Chile of an ex-pat American but
Sun Apr 19, 2015, 02:27 AM
Apr 2015

I still am very fond of the country of my birth. This despicable man caused suffering to many people I knew. I think anyone who treats him and honors as anything other than the international criminal that he is will not get any support or respect from me until they acknowledge their mistake in this.

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
4. Federal judge allows lawsuit to proceed in slaying of Chilean folk singer killed after 1973 coup
Sun Apr 19, 2015, 03:23 AM
Apr 2015

At the time of the 1973 coup, Victor Jara was a well-known songwriter, theater director and supporter of then-president Salvador Allende, a socialist.

Soldiers occupied the university where Jara worked and rounded up students, professors and other suspected leftist sympathizers, herding them into a soccer field called Chile Stadium.

Jara became one of many who vanished into the underground locker rooms that military officers converted into torture chambers. His body was discovered a few days later near a cemetery on the outskirts of Santiago de Chile. He had been shot 44 times, and his guitar-strumming hands were crushed, apparently by rifle butts.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2015/04/17/florida-reopens-trial-in-slaying-of-chilean-folk-singer-who-opposed-u-s-backed-dictatorship/

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
37. A tragic story. I read it a while ago and it is despicable that those in this country who aided and
Sun Apr 19, 2015, 06:58 PM
Apr 2015

abetted those atrocities were never punished.

What War Criminals don't think of when in the process of committing their crimes, is that they are dealing with HUMAN BEINGS, not SUB HUMANS who are not worth worrying about. Victims DO NOT FORGET what was done to them.

Which is why Kissinger is wanted for questioning, all these years later, for his role in aiding his buddy, dictator Pinochet, in the commission of those atrocities.

The day we choose to dismiss such atrocities, is the day we become responsible for them. I do not ever wish to be a party to such crimes.

NEVER FORGET!

nationalize the fed

(2,169 posts)
2. k+r
Sun Apr 19, 2015, 02:35 AM
Apr 2015

Former Secretary's of State seen after burying the latest victim of "Regime Change"

Hillary Clinton reviews Henry Kissinger’s ‘World Order’

By Hillary Rodham Clinton
September 4, 2014

In his new book, “World Order,” Henry Kissinger explains the historic scope of this challenge. His analysis, despite some differences over specific policies, largely fits with the broad strategy behind the Obama administration’s effort over the past six years to build a global architecture of security and cooperation for the 21st century.

Kissinger is a friend, and I relied on his counsel when I served as secretary of state. He checked in with me regularly, sharing astute observations about foreign leaders and sending me written reports on his travels. Though we have often seen the world and some of our challenges quite differently, and advocated different responses now and in the past, what comes through clearly in this new book is a conviction that we, and President Obama, share: a belief in the indispensability of continued American leadership in service of a just and liberal order...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/hillary-clinton-reviews-henry-kissingers-world-order/2014/09/04/b280c654-31ea-11e4-8f02-03c644b2d7d0_story.html

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
38. Something even more creepy about the notion that this country has any right to interfere in the
Sun Apr 19, 2015, 07:03 PM
Apr 2015

affairs of every country in the world and bend those countries to their will. That is called EMPIRE. And we all know the disastrous results to millions of human beings throughout history, caused by Empires. Are they CRAZY?

And they speak it about with such banality, as if they were talking about something that is acceptable, when to any sane person, what they are talking about is horrific as we saw in Iraq and Libya and Afghanistan and Vietnam.

I am appalled that we do not have enough courageous people in government to put a stop to this Global terror being inflicted in our name, on so many millions of people.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
21. From right to left
Sun Apr 19, 2015, 06:59 AM
Apr 2015

Vietnam, Cambodia, Chile, Indonesia, Iraq, Egypt, Syria, Yemen, Iraq, Iraq, Libya, Bahrain, Egypt,

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
36. Including someone who lauded him IN WRITING
Sun Apr 19, 2015, 06:57 PM
Apr 2015

as a "defender of human rights." Who, you ask?

Here's who:


I know it is not possible for a prominent politician to avoid all contact with other prominent figures but to call this kettle of human sewage a "defender of human rights" presumptively disqualifies HRC from being within a parsec of the presidency and tells me far more than I need to know about her.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
8. I remember arguing with my professor about Kissinger's sick view
Sun Apr 19, 2015, 04:35 AM
Apr 2015

of the human condition and foreign policy as he expressed it in his book on nuclear weapons and foreign policy back in the early 1960s before the Viet Nam War was a big issue. (On edit, I should add that my view of the world was very much influenced by my father, a devout Methodist and a pacifist who knew everything about you after he had talked to you for 15 minutes because he was such a loving listener, a real human being and Christian. Kissinger did not measure up to my high standard but then not many do.)

How anyone could read his foreign policy philosophy and think it was anything sane is beyond me. I suspect that people are maybe impressed by his German accent. What else could it be? He can find countries on a map? I don't know. I just don't see his charm at all. He can write books that sound intelligent? Never met the guy, and I don't remember precisely what he said in the book he read, but I was not impressed at all. But then, who am I?

Sometimes I think that certain people manage to finagle themselves into the role of esteemed scholar and wise consultant when they are just talking through their hat and don't see the big picture at all. I put Kissinger in that category. I'm neither an esteemed scholar nor a wise consultant and I make lots of mistakes, but I don't go around pretending that I am perfect or infallible. When I read Kissinger's book,

I remember I had the sense that I was reading the opinions of someone with far too much confidence in his own opinions. How old was I? Maybe 19-21? I still think he has too much self-esteem and that a lot of people have suffered for it.

Kissinger has been bloody wrong about a lot of things, and innocent people have paid for his bad advice and errors. Kissinger and Cheney. What a pair. Somehow they belong together.

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
27. I didn't know you were a PK
Sun Apr 19, 2015, 12:45 PM
Apr 2015

My grandfather, whom I lived with after my mom died when I was 13, was also a Methodist minister.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
30. Today, the church is being infiltrated by a lot of wild fundamentalists
Sun Apr 19, 2015, 03:38 PM
Apr 2015

preaching hellfire and brimstone rather than self-discipline and love of others. The trend started when I was in college and caused me to become a Unitarian.

But there were no better people than the traditional Methodists who followed the discipline and teachings of John Wesley. And they believed that women should be educated. My Methodist ancestors were progressives and abolitionists. I believe that John Wesley was a staunch abolitionist.

Hymn-singing in Methodist churches is amazing.

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
32. I hear you
Sun Apr 19, 2015, 06:42 PM
Apr 2015

My GFers last church (died in 86) had a fundie couple. They finally went elsewhere. My grandfather said the ones that preached the loudest had to to cover up the sound of rattling bones in their closet

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
33. Smart man!
Sun Apr 19, 2015, 06:47 PM
Apr 2015

When I go to church (which I don't do much now but used to a lot -- taught Sunday School and had to quit when I went back to school at the age of 50), I want to hear about how I can be a better person by following the guidelines of my religion. I don't want to hear about what will happen to me if I don't "believe" this or that or if I stray off some narrow path that is never traced very clearly for me.

I don't want my religion to make me into an intolerant, angry person. I want it to invigorate my best instincts. That is what I look for in my religion. I want inspiration, not desperation.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
20. I like pictures. here's a few more from the Kissinger library
Sun Apr 19, 2015, 06:55 AM
Apr 2015







Do you know a fucking thing about Kissinger at all?
 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
28. We need an alert system
Sun Apr 19, 2015, 12:48 PM
Apr 2015

for post of the year. Kissinger is slime, I can't believe someone here would defend him.

 

reddread

(6,896 posts)
34. if only it were one.
Sun Apr 19, 2015, 06:48 PM
Apr 2015

the pro-violence and oppression agenda permeates third wayers regardless of their latest name change.
just the fact that they need to change their name should be adequate info.
What are they supposed to be called this week?

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
40. Tell it to the victims of his participation in war crimes. He is wanted in Chile right now for
Sun Apr 19, 2015, 07:14 PM
Apr 2015

questioning. If he has nothing to hide, I don't know why he has not responded to the court in Chile. There are a few places Herny is not free to travel to.

In fact, a short time ago when he planned to visit Ireland, there were people there ready to arrest him and take him to Chile.

Victims do not forget. Something Henry and his ilk never thought of, mainly because they view those who oppose their horrific policies as sub humans.

These are pretty sick people. I wonder why any Dem would be consorting with a Nixon cohort in the first place.

 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
17. Kissinger Didn't Do It All Himself--It's the Political System That Needs Change
Sun Apr 19, 2015, 05:29 AM
Apr 2015

If you take down Kissinger, you have to take down so many "leaders" and cherished fantasies that the military/industrial/espionage/fascist cabal would have nobody to field their team.

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
18. Which is why the Nuremberg trials went after the top
Sun Apr 19, 2015, 05:50 AM
Apr 2015

and Kissinger in our example would be in the same dock with the other war criminals.

 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
19. Ah, the good old days!
Sun Apr 19, 2015, 06:25 AM
Apr 2015

We won't see another Nuremburg in my lifetime...and we are overdue.

It will take the defeat of the US Empire to trigger international revulsion/vengeance/retribution...a total, humiliating defeat. That's because the USA has lost the ability to monitor itself and criticize its failings. The US people are captives of the 1% Elite.

It is the 1% that must answer to the next Nuremburg judges...but where is the court that is honest and fair enough? Not in Europe! Asians have shown no desire to go about legal proceedings; they are inclined to more direct forms of retribution, and they have their own captive populations to suppress.

The UN is an unlikely candidate...but probably the best we have currently.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
24. We need our own Nuremberg trials and the whole MIC leadership needs
Sun Apr 19, 2015, 10:28 AM
Apr 2015

to be put in the dock. I don't think Loretta Lynch though, if she's ever confirmed, will be inclined to convene such a trial anymore than Eric Holder has.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
25. One doesn't. Period. Only if those candidates admit their mistake and condemn this man
Sun Apr 19, 2015, 10:31 AM
Apr 2015

like he should be condemned, then and only then will I support them. We need to put up other viable candidates for the primary because dragons will fly in the sky before that happens.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
35. Kissinger is a monster in human form.
Sun Apr 19, 2015, 06:51 PM
Apr 2015

He has more blood on his hands than any living person and should have been hanged for his immense catalog of war crimes and crimes against humanity long ago. Millions of human beings died or were tortured because this hellspawn had power. He makes DicKKK Cheney look like a piker.

Oilwellian

(12,647 posts)
39. My old school, Republican father...
Sun Apr 19, 2015, 07:06 PM
Apr 2015

who will be ninety next month, STILL finds Kissinger to be a despicable man.

K&R

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