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kpete

(71,996 posts)
Sun Apr 19, 2015, 11:44 AM Apr 2015

GOP too extreme, Germany's conservative party supports Hillary

Traditionally, Germany's Christian Democrats (CDU), the party of Angela Merkel, have been closely aligned with the Republican Party. Merkel even supported (initially) George W. Bush and the US invasion of Iraq. Since becoming chancellor, however, Angela Merkel and her party have staked out a number of progressive positions - embracing renewable energy, implementing a minimum wage, fighting intolerance against immigrants, just to name a few - while the Republican Party has moved further to the extreme right, becoming the Party of Jefferson Davis.

Today the leadership of the CDU says it can no longer stand with the Republicans. Instead, the conservatives will support Hillary Clinton: (note: my translation).

After Hillary Clinton announced that she's running for president as the Democratic candidate, the CDU decided to abandon its traditional orientation with the conservative Republicans. "The fundamental message of the GOP is today no longer aligned with the Christian Democratic principles, " said Armin Laschet, leaders of the CDU in North-Rhine Westphalia and deputy chairman of the national party. "The Republicans fight against the social market economy; on the one hand they demand tax breaks for the super-wealthy while on the other they seek to eliminate universal health insurance. Their aggressive rejection of multilateral diplomacy for resolving international conflicts is not appropriate for the 21st century.

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In the last presidential election the Republicans were only able to achieve a majority among older white men. Immigrants, women and younger voters went with the Democrats."


While this shift in support from a traditional European ally may be disappointing to some in the GOP, they can still count on support in France from Marine Le Pen's neo-fascist Front National, whose anti-immigrant program mirrors the GOP platform.



http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/04/19/1378716/-GOP-too-extreme-Germany-s-conservative-party-supports-Hillary

"Die Republikaner bekämpfen die soziale Marktwirtschaft, indem sie einerseits Steuergeschenke für Superreiche verlangen und andererseits selbst die Krankenversicherung abschaffen wollen. Die aggressive Ablehnung multilateraler Konfliktlösungen vieler Republikaner passt nicht ins 21. Jahrhundert."

http://www.germandailynews.com/bericht-53161/cdu-unterstuetzt-hillary-clinton.html
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GOP too extreme, Germany's conservative party supports Hillary (Original Post) kpete Apr 2015 OP
Wunderbar. Ich jetzt wähle sicher für sie. Jackpine Radical Apr 2015 #1
You mean endorsements from Robert De Niro and Magic Johnson did not seal the deal? djean111 Apr 2015 #3
Germany remembers. There is a chilly familiarity with the GOP today, misterhighwasted Apr 2015 #2
+1,000 nt okaawhatever Apr 2015 #7
Bernie! Your line is ringing and many supporters are going to vote for you! Taylorz Apr 2015 #4
Germany's conservatives are more like US Democrats. DetlefK Apr 2015 #5
Many European Conservative parties are to the left of The Republicans, especially on social issues. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #6
Dear Republicans, okaawhatever Apr 2015 #8
+1 freshwest Apr 2015 #9
 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
3. You mean endorsements from Robert De Niro and Magic Johnson did not seal the deal?
Sun Apr 19, 2015, 12:04 PM
Apr 2015

I would not buy soda just because a rich celebrity endorsed it, much less cast a vote for their candidate of choice.

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
2. Germany remembers. There is a chilly familiarity with the GOP today,
Sun Apr 19, 2015, 12:03 PM
Apr 2015

.and what their own country once faced.
Wise words of caution from those who have been there.

 

Taylorz

(53 posts)
4. Bernie! Your line is ringing and many supporters are going to vote for you!
Sun Apr 19, 2015, 12:14 PM
Apr 2015

Not Hillary!

Excuse me...



Of course, if Hillary remains the nominee, I'll hold my nose and vote for her.

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
5. Germany's conservatives are more like US Democrats.
Sun Apr 19, 2015, 12:25 PM
Apr 2015

The most important german parties:

The two biggest ones (polling 35-50% nationally):
* CDU - Christian Democratic Union - center-right, conservatives, most voters middle-class and upper-class; a little bit similar to US Democrats
* SPD - Sozial-Demokratische Partei Deutschlands - center-left, most voters middle-class and lower-class; a little bit similar to US Democrats

Smaller ones (polling 5-15% nationally):
* Die Grünen - center-left, protection of the environment, social issues, anti-war, most voters young and/or affluent; a little bit of a "default"-party, voted for by those who don't care that much about politics but want to do "the right thing"
* Die Linke - left, complicated origin-story: former communists and social-democrats wanted a new party to the left of the SPD, socialist, social issues, anti-war; German intelligence has parts of Die Linke under surveillance for violent leftist extremism counter to democracy and constitution of Germany.
* CSU - Christlich-Soziale Union - local party of Bavaria but influence on national level due to alliance with CDU, center-right, christian, conservative, social issues

Important, small parties just shy of the votes necessary to enter national parliament (<5%):
* FDP - Freie Demokratische Partei - libertarians, anti-regulation, anti-war; until recently an important party, they lost many voters when the became too arrogant in their political demands
* Piraten - liberal, progressive, main political demand is replacing parliamentarian democracy with a digitally mediated direct democracy
* AfD - Alternative für Deutschland - right, populist, nationalist, main political demand is the undoing of the Euro
* NPD - Nationaldemokratische Partei Deutschlands - extreme right, populist; the NPD is known for close ties to violent rightwing extremism, the NPD is paralyzed by notorious infighting between power-hungry party-leaders, has also problems finding donors

okaawhatever

(9,462 posts)
8. Dear Republicans,
Sun Apr 19, 2015, 12:35 PM
Apr 2015

We understand your desire to live in a more conservative world, a more desirable world, if you will. In practice, this bigotry can lead you to a very ugly place. For more information on this subject, please see history.
Signed,
Germany

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