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Jesus Malverde

(10,274 posts)
Mon Apr 20, 2015, 09:02 PM Apr 2015

Mindfulness can prevent relapses of depression just as well as anti-depressants, study claims

Teaching people to practise mindfulness works just as well as antidepressants in preventing relapses of depression, according to the first major comparison of the two approaches.

Mindfulness, the principle of gaining a greater awareness of our own thoughts and feelings through meditation and concentration on the world around us, is attracting interest for its health benefits in a number of fields.

The latest study, published in The Lancet, shows that people with recurrent depression who were asked to take part in mindfulness-based group therapy sessions were just as likely to go two years without a relapse, as those taking a course of antidepressant drugs.

At the sessions, the participants were taught ‘mindfulness principles’ including meditation skills, with the aim of helping them to respond differently to patterns of negative thinking that could precede a bout of depression.

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/mindfulness-can-prevent-relapses-of-depression-just-as-well-as-antidepressants-study-claims-10190798.html

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Mindfulness can prevent relapses of depression just as well as anti-depressants, study claims (Original Post) Jesus Malverde Apr 2015 OP
Absolutely. This is a fundamental element of Cognitive Behavior Theory, and DBT. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #1
+1 appalachiablue Apr 2015 #5
I'm a big believer in CBT but it only goes so far REP Apr 2015 #8
It's quite fashionable at the present time... HereSince1628 Apr 2015 #9
There's no higher power nonsense phil89 Apr 2015 #11
Lots of approaches 'work' and so one must wonder why? HereSince1628 Apr 2015 #12
sending this on, with thanks. niyad Apr 2015 #2
Yep, doesn't work for me justiceischeap Apr 2015 #3
They've never been in my black hole. hunter Apr 2015 #4
K & R Both prescrition meds AND other options should be known & considered. appalachiablue Apr 2015 #6
I am assuming that this does not apply to bi-polar. My brother would have a hard time finding jwirr Apr 2015 #7
Also, anyone with chronic depression should be tested for mthfr (gene) mutations... polichick Apr 2015 #10
 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
1. Absolutely. This is a fundamental element of Cognitive Behavior Theory, and DBT.
Mon Apr 20, 2015, 09:08 PM
Apr 2015

The pharma/psychiatric industry would prefer we think we can't do this on our own, but they're often wrong and it's not like their bottom lines re helped by studies like this one.

REP

(21,691 posts)
8. I'm a big believer in CBT but it only goes so far
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 02:33 PM
Apr 2015

Not every depressive disorder is the same, and for some, a combination of CBT and medicine is the most effective therapy.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
9. It's quite fashionable at the present time...
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 02:38 PM
Apr 2015

Recent research suggest type of therapy is less important than a bond between therapist and patient referred to as "therapeautic alliance".

That goes a long way when trying to understand how it is that 'uniquely' defined disorders all have similarly effective therapies.

Rejection of a therapy generally destroys therapeutic alliance and it's hard to know if the therapy fails or whether the alliance fails.

People who reject concepts that require surrendering to "higher powers" uniformly do poorly in mindfulness based therapy.

 

phil89

(1,043 posts)
11. There's no higher power nonsense
Wed Apr 22, 2015, 06:57 PM
Apr 2015

involved in mindfulness meditation. It is empirically validated. I hadn't heard that people who reject the higher power stuff don't do as well with it but I'll look it up.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
12. Lots of approaches 'work' and so one must wonder why?
Wed Apr 22, 2015, 07:17 PM
Apr 2015

why do unique disorders respond at least a little to disparate treatments? It seems at least in part because a gregarious animal in crises that cause dysfunction and damage to relationships often responds favorably to positive, stable relationships with therapists... apparently no one guessed that was important until recently

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/04/150410083508.htm

The mindfulness stuff is supposed to be independent of the religiousness and judgement, but it's not.Zinn, Linehan, etc are all practioners of the religion as well as involved in therapy. Turns out the very popular mindfulness as promoted for DBT is supposed to be non-judgemental, but when you encounter the training there is, gues what? a 'right way' of doing it, after all. Ironic non-judgemental mindfulness is judged. And it seems the right way has a lot to do with all the 'right' judgements along the 8-fold path.

hunter

(38,312 posts)
4. They've never been in my black hole.
Mon Apr 20, 2015, 09:56 PM
Apr 2015

It's pretty clear to me that "depression" is more than one thing, just like having a "fever" is more than one thing.

That's why treatment, with drugs or without, is such a crapshoot.

I find drugs helpful.




jwirr

(39,215 posts)
7. I am assuming that this does not apply to bi-polar. My brother would have a hard time finding
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 01:56 PM
Apr 2015

awareness of his own thoughts and feelings since part of the time he is a preacher and the other part of the time he is a biker. The thoughts and feelings would vary according to his mood swing.

polichick

(37,152 posts)
10. Also, anyone with chronic depression should be tested for mthfr (gene) mutations...
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 02:41 PM
Apr 2015

Up to 40% of people have one or more mutations on this gene, and there is an association with many chronic illnesses because methylation can be greatly diminished - depression is one of these.

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