The question is Homophobic .

if something is going along, stir the pot, any hint of calmness means reduced $$$$$'s. Outrage sells, other, not so much.

Says a lot about the state of the US media, but even more about the percentage of the electorate to whom this would make any difference.

On those they are for oppression.

Other than that, none of them have any thing else!

Cut taxes, cut spending, etc. etc.

They definitely go off on economy-related issues - especially the quasi-libertarians.

I would argue that it's the national media that likes to make it about social issues (and with whom you want to have a beer).

believe in marriage for LGBT'ers?

I can't imagine looking up at my wedding and seeing people who have been fighting me for so long on obtaining equality. If they can't SUPPORT my marriage, the most important relationship by far on this planet, then they need to stay FAR away from my wedding.

Can you imagine how they would respond if I, or anyone, did not support their relationship with their significant other? If I REPEATEDLY said that their relationship was not worthy, not sanctioned by God, disgusting, etc.? I'm sure they would clamor for my attendance at their wedding and as a friend in their home.

Fuck them. Fuck them all. I despise these assholes that do so much harm to so many LGBT people on so many different levels, but then say with a shit-eating grin that they "have gay friends". That's NOT how you treat your friends.

** Sorry for the profanities. This issue is so very hurtful and personally troubling for many reasons. Yes, I have family members that feel like they are victimized because we don't want them to attend our wedding despite the fact that they don't believe in marriage for LGBT people. They are such victims in all of this. Truly.

Edited to add: In short, who gives a fuck if THEY would attend a marriage for LGBT people. The better question is would any LGBT'er invite them in the first place, and if so, why?

I suppose a gay or lesbian would invite someone who is against gay marriage to their wedding for many reasons- human relationships are messy, we often love our parents, for example, even if they do terrible things to us, etc.

that doesn't believe in the relationship.

A wedding is such an important blessing for a relationship, and it should be a happy day. If there has been lots of negativity coming from some people regarding the relationship, I just don't see why they should be invited to the wedding. I want people that support the relationship to be there.

If a straight couple had someone in their lives that kept on hammering at them that their relationship was unclean, an offense to God, and that they don't approve of the relationship (REPEATEDLY), I am quite sure that many straight people would not be inviting that person to their wedding. Some might. Many wouldn't. And I would understand.

attend weddings even though they "don't believe in the relationship?" God knows, I've gone to plenty of hetero weddings I wouldn't have bet would last a year, but I went because someone involved was my friend. Hell, I'm not a theist, but I traipse through many a church to attend weddings that are based on the beliefs of those being marrried, not on mine. I would hope that my friends wouldn't avoid inviting me to a church wedding because the traditions are not my traditions.

I'm not married and I'm hetero, but I think if I were to get married I'd invite people I wanted there even if I didn't agree with their politics. Were I gay, I would hope that I wouldn't use my wedding as a referendum on any posiiton. Hell, I might even make it a point to invite nay-sayers just to give them a little exposure.

prostitute or addict, that your relationship is much like pedophilia and has incestuous qualities, that what you call 'love' is a clumsy attempt to duplicate actual love which in the end amounts to nothing more than a mockery of all things good?

So would you seek such people out just to make sure your wedding was 'fair and balanced' with folks who see your bride as filth equally represented to those who thinks she's great?

It's SO much more than just not "believing in the relationship". It's that the relationship is JUDGED from a spiritual place. It's that they believe that God does not sanction their union.

Someone not approving of two straight people uniting can NOT be compared to the damage that has been done to LGBT people by straight people when straight people "don't approve" of that relationship. There is SO much more involved.

And, from my personal experience, I have been subject to some people who have continuously attacked my relationship. They certainly don't approve of it from a personal AND spiritual perspective, and it has contributed to a lot of negativity between us. Now, they are deeply upset (they have even cried to me) and are claiming that I am persecuting them. I am discriminating against them. Even as they STILL are fighting to invalidate my relationship and to prevent my relationship from obtaining recognition on an equal level.

I am not keeping people out because they are conservatives. I have plenty of conservative friends and family that support my relationship. I am not inviting people to my wedding that are ACTIVELY trying to prevent my wedding from even being allowed. People that have shown nothing but disapproval for my relationship throughout its 18 years, and people who think that gay marriage is disgusting. You really can't understand why I'd not want to invite these people?

When you have attended weddings where you only knew one person, you had never spent time in your life trying to make sure that relationship would never be validated and treated as equal in society. You had not directly said to those people that you don't approve of the relationship and that you believe that the relationship is not approved of by God. Try doing that repeatedly to your next friends and see if you are welcomed to their wedding. Your argument is completely not relevant to my experience.

I'd like for you to think about one day getting married. And you have a few friends or family members that have been openly hostile to your relationship throughout its duration. They REALLY don't want you two together. And they insult you and your partner on a deeply spiritual level. You have built up a lot of negativity and bad blood in your relationship because of the numerous times they have insulted your relationship. Now, don't you want them at your wedding? And, if you do, that's fine, but can't you at LEAST understand why some people might not want people that have consistently insulted their relationship at their wedding?

I can't believe that I am having to spell this out to people on DU.

want to preserve a 'messy' relationship is an asshole.

what if the beloved is OK with it? Hell, what if the partner is the one suggesting it?

I'm not going to respond or continue to engage with you on this because it's too raw and personal for me.

and I won't read any response from you to this.

your own point of view. If this subject matter is 'too raw' for you to speak of, why did you as a straight person bring the subject up for discussion on a political website?

When a person makes use of an issue unrelated to themselves to make points unrelated to the issue, that's called 'exploiting the issue'.

Here's my take on it, from a blog I wrote the day of the Windsor decision:

I don't have liberal family members. They live in Alabama and Georgia.

I won't be inviting the ones that have been so openly hostile to my relationship for the past 18 years.

Hopefully that's understandable. Our relationship is horrible, and I just don't need their negative presence at my wedding. I don't want their negative presence there as it could actually ruin my wedding.

I'm not going to take that chance.

I just get find the "why would you ever invite them" meme that has sprouted in response to the question in the OP frustrating, because some of us do choose to invite family and friends who love us, but are in various stages of accepting (or not) our relationship.

I think the key words you used here are "who love us".

Sadly, that's not the case for a few of my very conservative family members.

I'm also not too keen on the Sarah Palin types that are in my extended circle of friends that spew venom often, but proclaim to have "gay friends". They are not my friend.

Even not so extended (siblings-in-law).

It is the blanket, "You don't understand - you're not in my shoes" tone I was reacting to. I am in your shoes - just making different choices. No judgment about your choices - just noting that some of us do choose to invite people who oppose same gender marriage to our weddings.

You don't know me so you can't possibly know whether or not you share the same experiences as I have regarding having a long-term gay relationship within our respective families.

It's very frustrating to be condescended to regarding making "different choices" when you don't know my situation. Because you do not.

I'm not being condescending. I responded to your posts,which had the tone (speaking to a straight person) of you just don't understand because you're not in our shoes - and none of us would every invite people who aren't supportive to our weddings.

My response was simply to point out that some of us do, in fact, invite people who aren't supportive to our weddings - and some of us find those experiences to be positive.

I have said, more than once, that your choices are your choices - you have to make them for yourself. There is no judgment in people in similar situations making different choices. I entered the conversation because you seemed to speaking for more than yourself - and I wanted to share that there is more than one perspective within the LGBT community.

I have not said a single negative or condescending word about your personal choice.

The ONLY thing I challenged were your comments that suggest that the LGBT community is of one mind on this - and I didn't even really challenge that - I just offered my own personal perspective which differs from the one you offered..

You definitely came across somewhat judgmental previously. You specifically said that you could understand because you have been in my shoes and that we have made different decisions. And, NO you have not been in my shoes. Just as I have not been in yours. We have different situations I am quite sure.

I think you should definitely feel very lucky that you felt comfortable being able to invite all of your family to your wedding. Very lucky.

I don't recall Romney being asked about gay marriage or abortion during the debates (though my reception cut out during the first one, so maybe I missed something). Now that their positions are increasingly unpopular with the masses, it seems that the media is helping to hide them.

if you added "if you weren't invited?"

overwhelming has moved on, but then there are some in the media trying there hardest to keep this alive----more divide and more hate and fear .
We already know that if a family member in one these republican contenders of disgust had a member was gay---would they go-------who cares, I mean really who cares.
The media should be asking these right wing hypocrites this:
You have four U.S. Supreme court justices that are over the age of 80 what type of right wing neocon would you like to put up for consideration to this bench to reflect your policies going forward and your dreams of what you are saying on the campaign trail, and if you get into office.
That's what should be in the headlines

DU can blame the media, but DU is a public face of Democrats and on DU a great deal of respect is given to those who teach that marriage equality is Satan's idea. So how is it 'the media' when dozens of DUers line up to state endorsement of a hate monger who says LGBT are out to disfigure God?

The media is playing to Francis fans with that crap. Also to other segments of the religious right. But to claim that only 'the media' promotes anti equality persons and verbiage is self serving bullshit.

and yeah I was wrong about the Pope. I hoped he'd changed.

GLBT issues are important to me and they have been for over 40 years, but no they aren't the only issue or more important than other issues.

So ignore it is.

Hey, who said 'only issue or more important'? No one. This is a subject you made an OP about. That's why we are talking about it, you brought it up.

Either: their bigotry runs so deeply that they would refuse to participate in the celebration of a relative or friend close enough to invite them as their guest

Or: they are not *really* committed to bigotry in the eyes of their base

Ask away! Make them publicly air the level of their commitment to the bigotry.

is whether anyone would invite them to one!

"Would you put you hands in a pail of shit?"
"Would you do something vile and nasty to prove you're an understanding person"?

It's a fucking con-game question..

The thing about a lot of Republican politicians - those who are more economically elite and only wave religion around as an electoral tool - is that they don't particularly have a problem with LGBT people personally.

W. Bush, for example, actually had a lot of LGBT friends, and testimony from them repeatedly revealed that he seemed to have no problem with their relationships whatsoever. And yet he cynically and horribly pushed the Federal Marriage Amendment out of political consideration.

So, when seeing this question in the media, I assume they're really asking, "Are you actually a bigot, or are you just exploiting other people's bigotry for your own gain?"

Neither answer makes them look good. But if a politician was stupid enough to say, "Sure I'd attend an LGBT wedding!" it would create a problem for them with their base. In that context, I figure ask away.

It's the "newest" bs talking point they All give in one form or another...They All "got the memo"!

First, "I'm not a Scientist" when asked about Climate Change.....They all say it. Now it's "Sure..WTH, I'm hip...I'll attend a "gay wedding".
First off, It's Not (imo) a "GAY/Same Sex Wedding"...It'sa Wedding! Either your close enuf to your friends and family to over-come Your personal problems or you're Not...I Agree! WTF Care?

A Dumb Meme changes Nothing in the Big Picture, regardless of the issue.

The Corporate Puppet Strings that Used to be hidden are now visible as hell.

but this is the equivalent of if it bleeds it leads. That keeps eyeballs on screen. Doing a report on health care, or where electricity comes from, not so much. Take my word, this is what happens often. I know. I track my traffic.

So if (good joke, this is the ATM) a party candidate shows up, I will ask the hard question, but I do not expect it to transfer to traffic.

(sister's birthday) and, if it is ever legal is that backwards state, I will attend her wedding.

went to his daughter's?