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demmiblue

(36,853 posts)
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 08:09 AM Apr 2015

Walmart Heir Does Not Deserve Assets It Would Take a Worker a Million Years to Earn

Source: Buzzflash at Truthout

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So try and wrap your head around the two statistics cited above: 1) Six people (Walmart heirs) have passive net worth - the money is inherited through stock; they don't need to do anything to earn it - equal to more than the bottom 40% of the people in the US; and 2) It would take a Walmart employee working a 12-hour day a million years to earn just one Walmart heir's financial assets.

Think of these two figures as the 2016 political campaign unfolds and you hear many politicians call for an increase in "economic opportunity." It is a disingenuous term because it implies that the problem with the economy is not that money has been massively redistributed upward in the last few decades, but rather that we need a more "pro-business" environment. This is a canard, because loosening regulations and lowering taxes on the wealthy over many years has led to a giant economic chasm between the haves and have-nots, not narrowed it.

Income inequality is going to be talked about a lot less, by Republicans and most Democrats. Income inequality, when fully exposed, explodes the myth of trickle down economics in which wealth, in reality, is redistributed to the rich from the pockets of the working class and poor. The Republicans - and most Democrats - who excoriate those who bring up income inequality and scoff that it evokes class warfare have no objection to reallocating money from the vast majority in the US to the wealthy. They object to an income distribution shift only when it is brought up on behalf of returning that appropriated money to those who actually earned it.

There are much larger issues of financially restructuring the US economic system to be debated than just returning to the status quo before the great income shift facilitated by neoliberal economics. However, as a practical reality, for the 2016 election, the discussion is going to be limited to those who claim that they are advocating increased "economic opportunity" and a much smaller group of politicians who call for an economic redistribution of wealth back to the workers and poor of the United States.


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Walmart Heir Does Not Deserve Assets It Would Take a Worker a Million Years to Earn (Original Post) demmiblue Apr 2015 OP
That's OBSCENE!!!!! Fuddnik Apr 2015 #1
It is not a death tax Omaha Steve Apr 2015 #2
And it's still not enough.... daleanime Apr 2015 #3
Finally Dan Apr 2015 #4
Once you die 75% of your assets should become the property of the people. 951-Riverside Apr 2015 #5
If we did that, who would be left to run our country? OffWithTheirHeads Apr 2015 #6
I know that I and all my family and friends JEB Apr 2015 #19
That is true of all our CEOs and rich heirs who do nothing to earn their money. jwirr Apr 2015 #7
The problem is not that we do not know what to do... Moostache Apr 2015 #8
Well said! silverweb Apr 2015 #9
Congradulatuons, you killed the world Telcontar Apr 2015 #14
Your suggested outcomes accurately describe the path we are now on. Scuba Apr 2015 #24
+1000. Your post is the theme of the new book kairos12 Apr 2015 #10
Thanks for the heads up! demmiblue Apr 2015 #11
But but but..That money was already taxed once! n2doc Apr 2015 #12
Yeah, except we "retax" money all the time TexasBushwhacker Apr 2015 #20
The Gains Haven't ProfessorGAC Apr 2015 #22
How can our founding documents indicate all are created equal Trillo Apr 2015 #13
Try this................... oneshooter Apr 2015 #15
So... meaculpa2011 Apr 2015 #18
And of course the truly rich would never pay that 90%, Nye Bevan Apr 2015 #25
Really Bad Plan ProfessorGAC Apr 2015 #23
K & R Big time! appalachiablue Apr 2015 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author appalachiablue Apr 2015 #17
Wrong, she rightly deserves an inheritance, HereSince1628 Apr 2015 #21
The proposed cuts to the estate tax are stupid Gothmog Apr 2015 #26

Fuddnik

(8,846 posts)
1. That's OBSCENE!!!!!
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 09:41 AM
Apr 2015

Just wrap your mind around the million years.

Longer than human beings have been on the face of the earth. And they want more, and more, and more.

Omaha Steve

(99,632 posts)
2. It is not a death tax
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 09:42 AM
Apr 2015

Geez. Some of the tea-party members hate helping the poor. But don't tax the rich estates.

K&R!

OS
 

951-Riverside

(7,234 posts)
5. Once you die 75% of your assets should become the property of the people.
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 10:24 AM
Apr 2015

We need to put an end to spoiled heirs and trust fund babies.

 

JEB

(4,748 posts)
19. I know that I and all my family and friends
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 12:50 PM
Apr 2015

could get by quite nicely on 25% of that ill gotten horde.

Moostache

(9,895 posts)
8. The problem is not that we do not know what to do...
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 10:57 AM
Apr 2015

There are thousands of people much smarter and more capable than myself who KNOW what needs to be done, there is an utter lack of willingness to pursue that which is necessary because it is deemed "too hard", "not practical", or "radical".

Change of any kind is ALWAYS radical. It was radical when Reagan started the process of destroying the social contract of the New Deal back in '81. It was radical when Bush II went "Reagan-on-steroids" in '01. It was even more radical when Bush II went into the illegal war game in '03 and the rest of the atrocities his administration carried out through '08.

The things we need are in no particular order:

* term limits - 12 years maximum in the House, Senate and Executive branch; additionally, since the SCOTUS has been politicized beyond repair, the justices MUST be similarly limited to 12 years on the bench. Lifetime political and ideological appointees was NOT the intent of the separation of powers, and it has become detrimental to the functioning of the government to allow it to continue.

* bans on lobbying positions within 12 years of leaving political office - you should NEVER be allowed to return to Washington in ANY lobbying capacity - registered or unregistered - to play tit-for-tat with the representatives for profit and for influence peddling.

* publicly financed and administered elections (I favor compulsory voting, but an extended voting period would be a step forward at least)

* re-instate the draft and eliminate ALL deferments (the war mongering would end overnight...)

* close down all but 20 critical/major US Air Bases and Naval Stations outside of the Continental USA (end "Empire USA" NOW!)

* make a Federal university system that would be 1) free to all citizens who qualify and 2) on par with the greatest universities of the world...INVEST IN OUR OWN PEOPLE AND OUR OWN FUTURE...instead of spending billions on Afghanistan, Iraq, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, and the rest.

* switch the spending for "defense" from military to energy research and development until the USA is 100% on renewable energy

(That last part has the added geopolitical benefit of being able to fully divest of Israeli-Arab politics and complete withdraw from the region - no troops, no bases, no aid, no skin in their sandbox games. A energy-independent and divested USA could then regain moral standing in the world in ways that are currently non-tenable.)

These are the things we KNOW we need.
These are the things we KNOW we will not get.

Instead, it will be more of the same...the GOP lurching ever more into insanity and religious demagoguery and the Democratic Party triangulating and giving up on principles for Pyrrhic victories of no substance or bite.

Its no great mystery - Americans are easily distracted gluttons for punishment. Our collective attention span makes the Tsetse flies seem ponderous by comparison. But we have also lost our ability to form lasting and collective outrage. The heirs of a retail distribution model that brutalizes small businesses, steals billions a year from the people in the form of government assistance to the exploited workers of the distribution model, and in general acts as a monolithic profit machine for the enrichment of 6 people who fell ouit of the right vagina in the genetic lottery is beyond outrageous - it is sick. But is also going to continue to be roundly ignored as well.

 

Telcontar

(660 posts)
14. Congradulatuons, you killed the world
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 12:09 PM
Apr 2015

The economy if the US tanks, global trade is distrupted, regional conflicts now simmering break out, and quite likely civil war in America.

Oh, and a regional nuclear war in the Middle East.

But yay, we're energy independant and the empire dismantled.

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
24. Your suggested outcomes accurately describe the path we are now on.
Wed Apr 22, 2015, 06:56 AM
Apr 2015

Except for the energy independence, or course.

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
12. But but but..That money was already taxed once!
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 11:26 AM
Apr 2015

Always some tool spouting that one. As if somehow estates are special and privileged...

TexasBushwhacker

(20,190 posts)
20. Yeah, except we "retax" money all the time
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 03:16 PM
Apr 2015

I pay income tax. Then any money I have is taxed again if I spend it on anything that is subject to sales tax, including gasoline which is subject to several other taxes. The poor and middle class spend propotionately more on the seconday taxes than the wealthy do. Not to mention, many things that the wealthy spend their money on, like real estate and the stock market, are not subject to sales tax. Even a yacht can qualify as a "second home" now and any interest paid in financing it is deductible on the person's federal income tax!

I don't want anyone to lose a family farm or business, but I don't think US tax policy is resposible to continue dynasties. Besides, if inheritance taxes are a worry, the owner can always buy a sizeable life insurance policy for the express purpose of paying the estate taxes for the heirs. The thing that boggles my mind is the very wealthy don't think there should be ANY inheritance tax, not even 20%!

ProfessorGAC

(65,042 posts)
22. The Gains Haven't
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 03:44 PM
Apr 2015

If what they inherited were 500 million shares of stock that were originally worth $2 bucks and now are worth $40, not a penny of that $38 dollar gain has been taxed. It's only taxed when the stock is sold. So, that would be $19 billion that was never taxed.

I think that's the answer we need to give when the "tool" you mentioned starts spouting that.

Trillo

(9,154 posts)
13. How can our founding documents indicate all are created equal
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 11:59 AM
Apr 2015

when so many can be born into stark poverty and a few great wealth?

I think Howard Dean is right when he says, and I'm paraphrasing, as soon as enough figure out that capitalism doesn't work for them, that's the end of capitalism.

oneshooter

(8,614 posts)
15. Try this...................
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 12:32 PM
Apr 2015

90% tax on all inheritance, no matter the amount

90% tax on all trust funds

90% tax on all capitol gains, no matter the amount

meaculpa2011

(918 posts)
18. So...
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 12:46 PM
Apr 2015

My father worked in a sweat shop for 50 years so he could pay off his home and leave a modest amount of cash for his grandchildren... and the government should get 90%.

My wife and I put a few dollars away for our kids education from the time they were born. Today their modest trust funds will pay for about half of the tuition at a NYS university. But the government should get 90%.

We have paid off a 30-year mortgage and would now like to use our equity to buy a modest home in a more moderate climate, but when we sell our home the government should get 90%.

Great ideas... all of them.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
25. And of course the truly rich would never pay that 90%,
Wed Apr 22, 2015, 09:52 AM
Apr 2015

as they can afford to pay millions to lawyers and accountants to avoid it. It would be the middle-income folk who would get slammed.

ProfessorGAC

(65,042 posts)
23. Really Bad Plan
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 03:46 PM
Apr 2015

I don't think you've thought that through. That would hurt middle class people WAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! more than it would the rich.

Response to demmiblue (Original post)

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
21. Wrong, she rightly deserves an inheritance,
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 03:26 PM
Apr 2015

but one that is properly taxed

People die and leave behind estates to their heirs. This is recognized as appropriate throughout the US.

But. The people, and the people's government, has an interest in not allowing inheritance to create people whose wealth threatens democracy.

To that end, progressive taxation on inheritance is a necessity in defense against potential domestic enemies of the community and state. Inheriting millions is OK if many score millions are first paid to communities, state and nation.

A good idea, and it's successful capitalization by one generation is no reason for inherited power to be granted to another generation. This nation loves success and loves money, but it stands against the concept of inherited power.






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