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Renew Deal

(81,859 posts)
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 11:12 AM Apr 2015

Babies feel pain during circumcision.

For the first time, scientists map newborn babies’ brains on pain, and the results are surprising

In a first, researchers at Oxford University have watched infants as young as a day old as their brains process a light prodding of their feet. The results confirm that yes, babies do indeed feel pain, and that they process it similarly to adults. Until as recently as the 1980s, researchers assumed newborns did not have fully developed pain receptors, and believed that any responses babies had to pokes or pricks were merely muscular reactions. But new research published Tuesday morning changes that.

Taking advantage of the fact that newborns less than a week old tend to sleep through anything, Rebeccah Slater, an associate professor of pediatric neuroimaging at Oxford, and her colleagues placed 10 infants who were 1-6 days old in an fMRI machine. The researchers, who reported their findings in eLife, observed which areas of the infants’ brains became more active, or consumed more oxygen, as the scientists lightly poked their feet. They did the same for adults and compared the brain images.
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But the fact that they are experiencing pain in almost the same ways as adults do is very revealing. Now that there’s evidence that the brains of babies do indeed process pain, that may change the way doctors treat newborns, especially those who are premature or need extra medical attention in the neonatal intensive care unit. In a recent study, scientists tallied an average of a dozen procedures including needle sticks that babies experienced every day; more than 60% of those infants did not receive any pain medication, either in the form of a topical numbing cream or other pain relief. Having these experiences may make these babies more sensitive to pain later in life, says Slater. A study of circumcised baby boys, for example, found that those who received pain relief felt less pain when getting vaccinations three months later than those who didn’t receive any pain medication.

“Now that we have seen for the first time what is happening in babies’ brains while they experience something mildly painful,” says Slater, “there should be a big drive to try to treat pain in these children, especially those having a high number of procedures performed in their early days.”

http://time.com/3827167/this-is-a-babys-brain-on-pain/#3827167/this-is-a-babys-brain-on-pain

When will this unnecessary surgery stop?

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Babies feel pain during circumcision. (Original Post) Renew Deal Apr 2015 OP
well no shit LOL snooper2 Apr 2015 #1
Well of course. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2015 #3
The screaming was what clued me in ismnotwasm Apr 2015 #11
Having seen a baby strapped down and circumcised without pain control GCP Apr 2015 #2
Brought to you by the Bureau of Ridiculously Obvious Facts. Paladin Apr 2015 #4
Ah the circumcision wars begin anew LordGlenconner Apr 2015 #5
Ive been here for 12 years and seen the same comments over and over and over Bonobo Apr 2015 #6
I think it's all rather circumspect. kentauros Apr 2015 #9
You cut to the chase kairos12 Apr 2015 #10
I had to follow the circumference first. kentauros Apr 2015 #12
That's enough out of you. Dr. Strange Apr 2015 #21
Not just a little bit mohel? kentauros Apr 2015 #22
This is similar to the findings that doctors should wash their hands before surgery. Duh. libdem4life Apr 2015 #7
My son is 28 and not circumcized. Oddly enough, at my small rural hospital cali Apr 2015 #13
I was in a city with a School of Medicine. It was mostly family...as of course hubby had to libdem4life Apr 2015 #14
this study will be used hugely by the anti-choice movement. cali Apr 2015 #8
Duh. bemildred Apr 2015 #15
That will require a new study. Renew Deal Apr 2015 #18
So, do babies feel pain during an abortion? Telcontar Apr 2015 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author Renew Deal Apr 2015 #17
Timing and brain development need to be figured in. woodsprite Apr 2015 #19
Thank you for an interesting and informative response Telcontar Apr 2015 #20

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
3. Well of course.
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 11:17 AM
Apr 2015

'As recently as the 80s' people thought differently. We HAD to do a study to disprove something people stopped believing a generation ago.

GCP

(8,166 posts)
2. Having seen a baby strapped down and circumcised without pain control
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 11:15 AM
Apr 2015

When I was a student nurse, I'd say 'No shit, Sherlock'.
He screamed the whole way through the procedure as his foreskin was torn off.
It's barbarism, pure and simple, and no, neither of my two sons are circumcised as they were born in the UK.

Paladin

(28,257 posts)
4. Brought to you by the Bureau of Ridiculously Obvious Facts.
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 11:19 AM
Apr 2015

Next release from the Bureau: Ted Cruz is a supercilious asshole......

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
6. Ive been here for 12 years and seen the same comments over and over and over
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 11:24 AM
Apr 2015

This is a replay of a boring old movie. I hope the popcorn is good.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
7. This is similar to the findings that doctors should wash their hands before surgery. Duh.
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 11:26 AM
Apr 2015

My son was not circumcised and that was 26 years ago...oh, the pressure brought to bear from every possible corner. He'd had a hard enough time making it through birth. The only reason I was given was that it was a problem when not kept clean. Another Duh. They didn't even try the "no pain" shit on me.

It's about time we stopped mutilating our boys at birth. And of course, we judge other countries for female mutilation. How hypocritical.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
13. My son is 28 and not circumcized. Oddly enough, at my small rural hospital
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 11:39 AM
Apr 2015

no one pressured us. Our pediatrician was totally on board with our decision.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
14. I was in a city with a School of Medicine. It was mostly family...as of course hubby had to
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 11:45 AM
Apr 2015

consult others more reputable than my research. The OB-Gyn/Pediatrician discouraged it, but posed no problem.

Response to Telcontar (Reply #16)

woodsprite

(11,914 posts)
19. Timing and brain development need to be figured in.
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 12:31 PM
Apr 2015

At the average stage of the pregnancy for abortion (before 12 wks), the brain and nervous system are still in a very early stage of development. The beginnings of the brain stem, which includes a rudimentary thalamus and spinal cord, is being formed. Most brain cells are not developed. Without a cerebral cortex (gray matter covering the brain), pain impulses cannot be received or perceived. Additionally, experts find that newborns at 26-27 weeks' gestation (24-25 weeks' fetal age) who survive have significantly less response to pain than do full term newborns.
The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists Statement on Pain of the Fetus
The cerebellum attains its final configuration in the seventh month and that mylenization (or covering) of the spinal cord and the brain begins between the 20th and 40th weeks of pregnancy. These, as well as other neurological developments, would have to be in place for the fetus to receive pain. To feel pain, a fetus needs neurotransmitted hormones. In animals, these complex chemicals develop in the last third of gestation. We know of no evidence that humans are different.

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