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Heres a video thats causing an uproar among those who care about photographers rights. Its a 53-second clip recorded on on April 19th that shows an encounter one woman had with police officers on a residential sidewalk in South Gate, California.http://petapixel.com/2015/04/21/woman-pointing-smartphone-camera-at-police-has-it-snatched-and-smashed/
truebrit71
(20,805 posts)...paid vacation coming up real soon...
erronis
(15,257 posts)Get a paid leave of absence, a lock-down on any information sharing, a police union that will go to any lengths to silence opposition, a states AG that will sit on the complaints, FOIA requests that will get misplaced, etc., etc.
The corruption runs throughout the police forces and their supposed superiors in the local/state/federal governments.
Sure, there are a few good apples, but they don't stay around for very long.
truebrit71
(20,805 posts)= P. I. G.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)joshdawg
(2,648 posts)sarcasm if it is needed.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)by that cop to do something like that?
On top of the destruction of her personal property and the fact that citizens have the right to film cops as far as I know.
unblock
(52,227 posts)not unless the victim turns out to be a senator or a senator's wife or something.
even still, the worst the cop is likely to face is getting fired. i wouldn't hold my breath for anything worse than a week or two with pay during the investigation followed maybe, maybe by a week without pay.
then right back to protecting and serving to prevent the bla--, er, i mean bad guys from doing things like assaulting women and taking their iphones and smashing them to pieces!
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Yeah I highly doubt the pos cop will get anything out of it sadly.
Bonx
(2,053 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)But he definitely destroyed her property for no reason.
951-Riverside
(7,234 posts)That was resisting an officer performing his official duties!
but hey... it could have been a gun (Fast forward to 3:40 in the video below)
You just know they're going to start shooting people for merely video recording them because "it could be a gun"
What a fucked up country we live in.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)rolling in on tanks and full military gear.
The founding fathers must be spinning in their graves.
Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)everybody having all the guns they can eat, didn't stop the transformation.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Well the gun lobby/NRA/MIC make $$$ on all of it.
The thug cops and the people they scare to death buy from the same assholes.
The worse things get in this country, the more $$$ the gun lobby makes!
Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)but it undermines the whole ammosexual argument about needing guns to protect us from the police state. The police state is here, and not a shot was fired by the "freedom militias".
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)was called upon to do the dirty work ... at the bundy ranch?
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)then why doesn't he/she act, instead of vicariously, sorta, wanna anotha group to do it? But, this could lead to another "gunz" discussion in GD.
truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)It is amusing to note that we hear very little these days about gunz being necessary to stop tyranny, like a police state or a certain sneaky Kenyan Muslin socialist Manchurian candidate who was fraudulently elected Twice. No, apparently, gunz are all about personal safety now or, at the most, someday being a defense against tyranny.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)libdem4life
(13,877 posts)uponit7771
(90,339 posts)zeemike
(18,998 posts)And those cops are chomping at the bit for it to happen.
LuvNewcastle
(16,846 posts)Sometimes I think they're trying to make us riot, just so they can come in and restore 'order.' They certainly don't seem to be learning from their mistakes, just getting more brazen.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)had she not been...
951-Riverside
(7,234 posts)...but hey, fuck it! Only black lives matter.
RedCappedBandit
(5,514 posts)"Only black lives matter" is you.
951-Riverside
(7,234 posts)you're grasping at straws or...
maybe I got the definition of #BlackLivesMatter wrong maybe and it actually means Hispanic lives matter, Native American lives matter, Asian lives matter, White lives matter, Indian lives matter
So which is it?
RedCappedBandit
(5,514 posts)Absolutely nothing about the statement "black lives matter" indicates that other lives do not also matter. If anyone meant "Only black lives matter", that's what they would say.
Who exactly is grasping at straws? Yeah, I'd say you got the definition wrong.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Of AT&T...or Verizon...or Sprint...
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)According to both the GRU and old KGB handbooks, destruction of equipment that threatens state secrets is OK.
What?? No!
OF COURSE Russian handbooks are relevant where the heck do you think these models of policing come from?
Octafish
(55,745 posts)FBI and CIA too is long claiming to protect sources and methods in court to help not convict their criminals and to maximum prosecute whistleblowns. Big Time Ween-Ween.
Authoritarianism is a noose enclosing the neck of Democracy. Its tool is capital.
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)As the Warsaw pact became unglued LOTS of higly placed conservative thinking persons immigrated to the US and took up positions advising our government
I really wasn't kidding when I said this is out of the GRU and KGB manuals so much as using them as a surrogate because I don't really know the names of the eastern thinkers who trained eastern nation's homeland security forces and originated this shit.
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)something musical bands merchandise.
unblock
(52,227 posts)they would be charged with something like armed assault, armed robbery, and destruction of private property.
that is, if they weren't shot 87 times on the spot....
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)The irony of it all...guess he thought he'd solved that irritating citizen's nosy phone. I think it's going to become a trend. One sees a police car, out come the cell phones...to Serve and Protect. The cell phones, that is.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)If 20 people whipped out their cellphone cams and started recording this nazi police crap quite a few will make it to the public domain
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)tblue37
(65,357 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Didn't even know that was a thing lol
Jerry442
(1,265 posts)With a big honking decal that tells would-be assailants of any kind that the video won't go away, even if the camera does.
CrispyQ
(36,464 posts)"...to Serve and Protect. The cell phones, that is."
That will make me smile all day!
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)niyad
(113,306 posts)Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)So it's not obvious when you're filming cops, you just flip a switch or somesuch, then watch them, and the camera records whatever you're looking at. If anyone can be filming, they'll need to assume they're always on camera, even if no one is holding up a camera phone.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)That would be great!
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)damnedifIknow
(3,183 posts)I have one and it's always with me. I can't say what it is but it's not a phone and is wearable.
Quality of the video it takes is excellent. I love it.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)Is it somehow illegal wherever you are?
damnedifIknow
(3,183 posts)Not expensive and works very well.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)That's a very smart idea.
If the cops won't wear them, then the citizens will.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)And I seriously thank you for doing a public service to protect the rights of your fellow citizens!
damnedifIknow
(3,183 posts)lapfog_1
(29,204 posts)when I was doing work for a company that provided cop dashboard cameras, I came up with an idea to have the camera on all the time... no reason not to really... and then when the "trigger" happened, we would save something like 30 seconds prior to the trigger and lasting until the "off" button. Basically saving that data, and discarding the rest as the camera operates.
The only drawback is that the flash device (typical bit of "memory" that records video) only allows so many "writes" (recordings) before the flash device wears out.
In police cars, numerous things can trigger the dash cam to come on (or dome cam)... turning on the emergency lights, removing a shotgun from the holder, opening the back doors, body microphone button, dash button.
For a "cap cam" or "purse cam" or google glass, a simple on/off button is probably sufficient.
Jerry442
(1,265 posts)hobbit709
(41,694 posts)damnedifIknow
(3,183 posts)It just makes cops like that look like a complete ass. This guy is one of those who should not be walking around with a weapon around the public.
EL34x4
(2,003 posts)They look like Blackwater mercs.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)used to killing anything that moves and being rewarded for it.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Probably on a dangerous pot bust of a sixteen year old or something.
You know those violent stoners take a full goon squad with the latest military weapons to take down, right?
CrispyQ
(36,464 posts)Psychological influence of uniforms cited by authorities
http://infowars.net/articles/april2008/280408uniform.htm
Steve Watson
Infowars.net
Monday, April 28, 2008
snip...
Even more interesting are further findings that suggest both police officers and citizens are more likely to engage each other violently when the authorities come dressed in black:
The experiment with the colored jerseys also suggests that police officers in dark uniforms subconsciously may act more aggressively; therefore, departments should consider modifying police uniform colors.
The police uniform also may influence the safety level of the officer who wears it. Dark colored uniforms may elicit subconscious negative feelings from citizens, who may perceive the officer as aggressive, and subsequently, encourage them to consider violent action when confronted by the police.
The article is not very long & is very interesting.
niyad
(113,306 posts)SwankyXomb
(2,030 posts)if he'd seen the person filming across the street he would have come after their camera as well.
oneshooter
(8,614 posts)Would be nice to know what was said.
Paper Roses
(7,473 posts)My opinion only but it seems to me that the police...in this instance, might have been baited. OK, there is no excuse for the destruction but why do we not hear any of the conversation? It seems too convenient for me.
I do believe that the police, in many instances, are out of control but this one does not sit well with me.
CrispyQ
(36,464 posts)It could have even been filmed through a window, so there may not have been sound. The woman was not interfering with the cops activity & did not appear to be taunting them, only filming them. There was no excuse for what this officer did.
Mariana
(14,857 posts)but no matter what it was, the cop was wrong.
imthevicar
(811 posts)corkhead
(6,119 posts)Omaha Steve
(99,632 posts)K&R!
OS
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Yeah I know, its just a rhetorical question.
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)I'm sure.
Mariana
(14,857 posts)while the rest stand behind and support the criminal cops. If the good cops were a majority, they'd be forcing out the bad ones, not the other way around.
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)Mariana
(14,857 posts)and falsifying their reports to cover for them.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)There are apps for smart phones that upload video to a cloud account in real time. If the cops grab and smash the phone, it is too late, the video is already stored in an account that only the filmer can access.
http://www.copblock.org/apps/
djean111
(14,255 posts)Would also be surprised if there was not some way to jam recordings or whatever.
The body cams and dash cams already have a way of "malfunctioning" - filming cops is not going to change any police behavior except for enhanced efforts to block or evade or destroy recording.
Perhaps recordings of police will be deemed inadmissible in court, as they obviously don't care if we see this stuff.
Jim__
(14,076 posts)I hope it's not just acting in the line of duty.
byronius
(7,394 posts)Catherine Vincent
(34,490 posts)But...
I can sympathize with cops not wanting a camera pointing at them as they perform their job duties. I put myself in their shoes and wouldn't want some annoying person pointing a camera at my every move all the time, most likely because I am doing what I am paid to do. Of course if it was wrongdoing, I would get upset like that idiot did in the video.
Thankfully, there were folks out there recording police. If some of the cops were corrupt and/or murderers, then this wouldn't have to be done.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Every person in america that works in a gas station or store is on camera every second they are at work except the bathroom.
Why should armed police that can take your life away in an instant get a pass on being filmed at work when a store clerk making 7.50 an hour at McDonalds flippin burgers is on camera all day, every day?
mike_c
(36,281 posts)Yep. What you said.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)L0oniX
(31,493 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)where I work till I step out to go home. 40 hours a week, all year, every year.
I'm not armed, I'n not sanctioned by the local,state,federal government to take a persons life either.
Yet I am filmed all day long!
How in the hell do these cops think they are not subject to the same treatment that millions of american workers get everyday!?
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)provided they aren't "interfering" with the police ability to do their jobs. Problem is, if a killer-cop decides "his job" is murdering a citizen under false pretenses, at that point the camera pointed at the murder becomes "interfering" in the cops mind.
SALEM, Ore. (AP) - The Oregon Legislature is looking to make sure it's legal for citizens to film the police, as long as they don't interfere.
The House Judiciary Committee approved a bill Monday that says merely videotaping a police, parole or probation officer does not constitute the crime of interfering with the official's duties.
The committee's 7-2 vote sends the measure to the full House.
The American Civil Liberties Union, which supports the bill, says Oregon law isn't clear on the legality of videotaping police officers. The ACLU says people who document arrests and the use of force shouldn't be subject to arrest and prosecution for eavesdropping or interfering with law enforcement.
Kimberly McCullough, an ACLU lobbyist, pointed to the video of a white South Carolina police officer shooting Walter Scott, a black man running from the officer.
"If something like that is criminal in Oregon, then people are going to be afraid to take those kinds of videos, and we don't want that sort of speech to get chilled," McCullough said.
http://www.komonews.com/news/local/Oregon-bill-would-prohibit-charges-for-filming-police-300740641.html
Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)So its the feds, damn.
lpbk2713
(42,757 posts)He won't have a leg to stand on if there's a fair trial.
And if I was her I would insist on a jury trial.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)just bought a cell phone, plus damages.
VScott
(774 posts)Not only that, they're throwing the feds under the bus...
None of the people in that video are South Gate cops, said Capt. Darren Arakawa. We have to clean our hands of it, I dont know what to say.
South Gate commanders have been telling their officers to get used to being recorded, Arakawa said. As a result of recent use of force incidents in Oklahoma, New York, South Carolina and Southern California, use of force and the conduct of law enforcement officers is under significant scrutiny nationwide.
South Gate police found countless cellphone cameras trained on them at a recent memorial for a man killed during an officer-involved shooting, Arakawa said.
We tell people, Just get used to it. Its not that big a deal if youre not doing anything,' he said.
samsingh
(17,598 posts)Fred Drum
(293 posts)its not prosecuted, what do you think this is, a police state
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Was it? Or was the woman interfering with the work of the officer? Let a jury decide.
Gothmog
(145,242 posts)Tom Ripley
(4,945 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Tom Ripley
(4,945 posts)prohibiting their use by the no-necked liabilities in their ranks.
mulsh
(2,959 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)From that huff post story: Intentionally blocking or ordering an individual to cease recording constitutes a First Amendment violation.
?2
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)cops. This is about to get very interesting. New Rule ... See police activity, grab your cell phone. Warning: do not tell them you are filming them.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)I think this woman was just trying to play by the rules. She had every right to film them and she wasn't in the way from what I can see.
If workers in American can be on camera 24/7/365, so can the roid raging militarized cops who are authorized to take your life away in an instant!
iscooterliberally
(2,860 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)violating this womans first amendment rights.
herding cats
(19,564 posts)She should also contact the DOJ. Both have stood up for a citizens right to record the police.
ETA a pertinent link.
DOJ's Public Statements Provide a Road Map for Citizens to Sue in Cop Recording Case.
http://www.dmlp.org/blog/2012/dojs-public-statements-provide-road-map-citizens-sue-cop-recording-cases
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)So she can stand up for her rights
Cryptoad
(8,254 posts)even for the cops too!
951-Riverside
(7,234 posts)If they would just stop beating the shit out of people, shooting unarmed people, planting evidence, committing rapes, shooting handcuffed people, lying on police reports, etc, etc no one would feel the need to video record everything they do.
Its amazing how Firefighters, Medics and even people who deliver Money to business and banks can perform their duties without the citizens even batting an eye.
These porkers created this situation now they have to live with it. You give up the right to privacy when you bully people and even kill them when they're unarmed and running away.
Marr
(20,317 posts)the third party video.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)libdem4life
(13,877 posts)up with an organization that's already nationwide. I'm sure there are PTAs in some areas that would be helpful, perhaps. Slogan: We're watching you watch us.