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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI have a nosy question to ask DU.
I have two gay cousins,I have three cousins who have gay/lesbian kids,I had a lesbian Aunt but she's gone now,my daughter in law's sister is a lesbian. Does anyone here come from a family that has no gay/lesbian family members? I ask because I just can't imagine that my family is that different from any other family and if it's not,it means lots of republicans must be OK with laws that hurt their own family members.
hlthe2b
(102,276 posts)there are not... I've not ever experienced bigoted comments or anti-gay attitudes from any of my extended family, so I really don't expect there would be issues with "coming out," if they were gay or lesbian. I think, speaking only for my family, that when the elder generation finally came to terms with issues of gender and racial equality many decades ago, that it pretty much extended to differences in general. Of course the conservatives/Republicans in my family are not (and never were) remotely like those of today.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)of having gay family members.I had a lesbian great aunt though and I remember her coming for Christmas with her girlfriend and nobody batting an eye. I think past generations probably accepted their gay family members a lot more than they're given credit for sometimes.
hlthe2b
(102,276 posts)so my comments only really reflect the couple of dozen of combined first and second cousins I do have (or had had) contact with
Faux pas
(14,681 posts)but I do have friends who have gay cousins and uncles. I knew them before I even knew what 'gay' is. Rethugs don't care about anything except themselves and money.
aikoaiko
(34,170 posts)libdem4life
(13,877 posts)my family. My nieces didn't come out until their 30s, and granted, denial for the RWers was easier, but they got over it. When it's your own...which is Republican mantra...it's usually OK.
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)My husband suspects that his nephew may be, but if he is, he isn't "out." I've never met him, so I don't have an opinion.
If I had a gay child or other relative, it wouldn't change anything. I couldn't be any more in favor of equality than I already am.
sharp_stick
(14,400 posts)we have no gay family members. 14 cousins, 13 aunts and uncles, 1 brother and 1 set of parents.
If I go out a little further I have one lesbian second cousin that I know about and we all love her.
We may not have any gay members that close but not a single member of my family would, as far as I know, ever denigrate anyone that was.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)Based on the 2013 NHIS data [collected in 2013 from 34,557 adults aged 18 and over], 96.6% of adults identified as straight, 1.6% identified as gay or lesbian, and 0.7% identified as bisexual. The remaining 1.1% of adults identified as something else[] [0.2%,] stated I dont know the answer[] [0.4%] or refused to provide an answer [0.6%].
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2014/07/15/what-percentage-of-the-u-s-population-is-gay-lesbian-or-bisexual/
msongs
(67,405 posts)former9thward
(32,006 posts)It is an anonymous survey.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)or ignorant or both.
It is one thing to say I dont know of any, but to say there are NOT any, matter of fact, is something only a bigot says.
How can you know if a 3rd cousin or great great great grandpa wasnt, etc.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)of people who don't have any gay family members though.
NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)there is a GOP prick senator who said that recently
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)just trying to answer my rather simplistic question.
NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)he said that he was proud to say that no member of his family, anywhere in his family is gay
impossible for him to know, of course
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)REP
(21,691 posts)It's easy for me to say that no, I don't have gay siblings or cousins. Don't know any farther out than that, though. With the exception of one person, I can't imagine it would an issue for anyone, anymore than the multiethnicity that most of the family is. We're all pretty liberal with the exception of that one ass, who is also up on felony charges.
My husband's family is different; there are a number of LBTQ aunts, uncles, cousins, etc and that family is largely very conservative. Go figger.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)he remarried a born again christian, he has disowned him now. We're all pretty pissed at his new found assholeishness.
NM_Birder
(1,591 posts)How can you possibly be that self absorbed, as to believe you know what the make up is of 100 million families ? And then, double down calling them liars, ignorant and bigots ?
If HALF the population were gay, your statement would still be a foolish, selfish comment, showing your lack of population understanding.
And half the population is not gay.
NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)how about your aunt who was born in 1872 in England, her too?
You see it is IMPOSSIBLE to say you know for a fact
BEFORE I am alerted on, I sure hope everybody reads the whole thread, but they wont
Yes, I am saying NO Person alive knows for a FACT that NO Person of their family EVER was or is gay
NM_Birder
(1,591 posts)You made that absolutely RIDICULOUS statement about only liars, the ignorant and bigots claim to not have gay family members.
Pony up.
what is the percentage of gay people in the population.
Now dazzle me with your calculation that only liars, the ignorant and bigots don't have gay family members. You made the statement, YOU get to prove it.
Or as I figure, you just really seem to love to hear yourself call other people, liars, ignorant and bigots ?
NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)past or present is gay? Was gay?
Is that the debate we are having?
Read what I said again, saying you KNOW of none is one thing, saying you KNOW FOR A FACT that NO past or present member of your immediate or extended family was or is gay is either the statement of a liar or an ignorant person or both.
BECAUSE
it is IMPOSSIBLE to know, especially of people who are now dead
But have a nice day...
NM_Birder
(1,591 posts)And it was the right move. You can't possibly back up what you said, and we both know I was about to prove that to you.
What would have been the correct answer, was the fact that like so many people, you need to make the MOST radical assumption you can, to get the MOST attention you can.
Again, since YOU made the statement, it is up to YOU to KNOW FOR SURE that I had gay members of my family. You're just not very good at defending what you say are you ? "yeah, my statement was over the top and more passionate than truthful" was all it would have taken.
You keep making ME responsible for proving your foolish statement, it doesn't work that way.
How can it be IMPOSSIBLE ? You seem to know for sure ?
I'm having an awesome day,
NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)or ignorant or both.
It is one thing to say I dont know of any, but to say there are NOT any, matter of fact, is something only a bigot says.
How can you know if a 3rd cousin or great great great grandpa wasnt, etc.
Show me where I backed away from that statement?
NM_Birder
(1,591 posts)So dazzle me with how you know that. be specific, or at least try to sound like you have a clue what you are talking about.
it will be dissapointing if all you can muster are word salads with, "well you know", "how can there", blah blah blah.
i'll get you stated.
You cannot include your answer in the form a question,.... making ME responsible for proving your foolish opinion.
back it up.....or back down. how did you calculate your statement ?
-or as everybody suspects, you simply are very passionate, and make claims you cannot back up .........for attention.
You got my attention. back up your claim, or back away from it.
NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)who lived 200 or 100 yrs ago
ESPECIALLY whether they were gay or not given how ALL or almost ALL had to hide the fact.
Also, I dont KNOW of any gay people in my family other than the ones I know are gay because they told me, I canNOT however say that I KNOW nobody else is for a fact, dont know how you could either.
BTW
god help the family member who wants to come out but is surrounded by people proclaiming they KNOW there are NO gay people in the family..
NM_Birder
(1,591 posts)that say, ....... no family has any pure genetic racial purity that they can lay claim to, and that we are all at some % of a mixed race society ? I think it's more than likely true, that everybody walking the earth today has at some level........ a genetically racial diversity. i cannot state it as fact, but statistically, it's highly probable that it's true. And as time goes on, it will become MORE statistically true that everyone has genetic diversity in their family bloodlines because of the propensity for progressive thinking and interracial acceptance.
The cat in the box is not not dead, it's not alive either. In fact, you can't prove to me there is a cat in the box at all, but I would hardly call you a bigot, ignorant or a liar if you claimed to have an opinion of the contents of the box.
The problem I have with people who make outrageous claims they can't back up, and then call anyone who disagrees a bigot, a liar or ignorant, is that they themselves usually turn out to be ignorant, racially biased and HIGHLY disingenuous.
You finally got it, "nobody can know for a fact whether someone was or wasn't gay",......... the difference is who is calling other people bigots, liars and ignorant ?
BeyondGeography
(39,374 posts)You are either being willfully provocative or obtuse.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)or ignorant or both.
It is one thing to say I dont know of any, but to say there are NOT any, matter of fact, is something only a bigot says.
How can you know if a 3rd cousin or great great great grandpa wasnt, etc.
So why anyone would take offense to my statement is beyond me, but if the OP is, then I apologize to the OP as it was not my intention to be provocative.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)then, yes, we have plenty of gays in our family.
treestar
(82,383 posts)I do know all my cousins and they are all straight - unless they got married to cover it.
My second cousins, I do not know them all. The ones I know are straight. But the ones I don't know could be gay.
The OP was talking about people we know.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)my exes niece whom I am friends with even today.
NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)recently that no person in his family now or EVER was or is gay.
Impossible to know, but something I expect from a bigot
It is one thing to say "i dont know of any"
entirely another to say you know for a fact and to extend that out to entire family current and past
jwirr
(39,215 posts)snooper2
(30,151 posts)math works
Oh, and "know" is different from "no" LOL
NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)that NO person of their family, extended or otherwise (I then added historically speaking as well when i said great great great great uncle) is gay.
Cant do it, no person can make this statement, honestly.
I did it because of a rightwinger who recently said it in the news, I thought, wrongly, on a LIBERAL message board, it would not be a provocative thing for me to say.
wrong again
PassingFair
(22,434 posts)I don't know of any in my family.
At least none that has ever confided in me, and no
gossip thereof...
One of my dad's cousins married a guy that was gay (bi?).
She didn't know it when she married him.
That's the only anecdote I can remember.
NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)this is the distinction I am making
Auggie
(31,169 posts)No immediate family members: grandparents, parents, in-laws, siblings, aunts, uncles, or first cousins.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)She's also my favorite in-law.
Hekate
(90,686 posts)I've come to believe that sexuality has a spectrum, like many other human characteristics and behaviors.
Electric Monk
(13,869 posts)The Kinsey scale, also called the HeterosexualHomosexual Rating Scale,[1] attempts to describe a person's sexual experience or response at a given time. It uses a scale from 0, meaning exclusively heterosexual, to 6, meaning exclusively homosexual. In both the Male and Female volumes of the Kinsey Reports, an additional grade, listed as "X", was used to mean "no socio-sexual contacts or reactions"; in modern times, this represents asexuality.[2][3] The reports were first published in Sexual Behavior in the Human Male (1948) by Alfred Kinsey, Wardell Pomeroy and others, and were also prominent in the complementary work Sexual Behavior in the Human Female (1953).[1]
http://vistriai.com/kinseyscaletest/
TexasBushwhacker
(20,190 posts)I have a relatively small family - only 6 first cousins. One of my cousins has a transgender son. Even though he is biologically female, he always had quite a bit of facial and body hair even before he started taking male hormones. I do wonder if there is something different about his genes or his naturtal hormones. Anyway, he's had a mastectomy and takes male hormones and is quite proud of his new whiskers! He even got baptized again.
TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)but I have a small extended family.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)brooklynite
(94,571 posts)no siblings, cousins, grandparents, aunts, uncles or parents
(edit to add) likewise, none of my family members would appear to be sufficiently uptight to not reveal if they were.
Behind the Aegis
(53,956 posts)Oh, and my husband is gay. It's one of the reasons I like him so much.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)Prism
(5,815 posts)In an extended family of about 50 people. And I don't suspect anyone else.
They're cool with me though. They invite my partner to everything. Although some of the older folks refer to him as "your friend." Meh, they try =)
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)That skit never gets old.
Prism
(5,815 posts)sufrommich
(22,871 posts)across any.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)and a gay aunt - they tried to hide it, but it wasn't a very well-kept secret. I'm a lesbian, myself, and frankly, no, none of them give a shit if it harms a family member. The most important thing in the universe is making money by being a conservative, Jesus and making money, period.
Arkana
(24,347 posts)All my cousins, aunts, uncles, and everything are straight.
We're depressingly boring, if a bit dysfunctional.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)cousins is depressingly boring. He's the most deadly serious,sense of humor lacking persons I know.
Arkana
(24,347 posts)Not only that, she's convinced that the ghosts of her dead mother and grandmother are calling her on the phone.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)BainsBane
(53,032 posts)And I have a step-cousin who is a lesbian. (My uncle's step-daughter. Is that step-cousin?)
I imagine it is much more difficult to come out in a family with conservative cultural values. However, my nephew's father is a Republican and he accepts and loves his son. He even voted for marriage equality in the 2012 election. Knowing LGBT people makes a difference, even for Republicans.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)Skidmore
(37,364 posts)we a very large family and I do not have contact with everyone. I do have a very close friend whose son is gay and I have had coworkers who are members of the LGBT community. I have a good friend who is transgender. We are all members of the human famly ultimately.
randome
(34,845 posts)No one else that I know of in my family, either.
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sufrommich
(22,871 posts)with an openly gay parent.
randome
(34,845 posts)Still, live and let live, right?
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sufrommich
(22,871 posts)herding cats
(19,564 posts)Married had children and then came out after 20 years of marriage during their divorce.
My maternal grandmother was either a lesbian or bisexual. She married and had one child. After she passed we found the love letters and pictures of her true love she'd kept hidden away. It broke my heart they didn't feel they could be together openly. They were obviously deeply in love for decades. My grandmother was such an amazing person, she deserved better than that.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)Darndest thing...shocked us all. They were trying to be hetero. Both have partners and she is grown, but still regularly goes back and forth between them.
Edit: Both were completely Out...both families knew.
pinto
(106,886 posts)I think the comment above is on point - knowing someone gay in your immediate circle of family and friends can make a difference. I've seen it happen in my family.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)perplexing to me that any conservative with gay loved ones would still be OK with denying them equal rights.
pinto
(106,886 posts)misterhighwasted
(9,148 posts)..is lgbt.
Its not hereditary, it just is. Same way hetero also, just is.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)know if I would have had gay siblings. I do know that my gay relatives' friends and lovers came from other families and at the time I don't know how many had outed themselves to family as in those times it would have been very hard as many were disowned by their families. In my own family, the parents, aunts and uncles were not told, but the cousins and the grandparents were. I can only speak for myself but I don't really believe there are any families that are 100% heterosexual.
hfojvt
(37,573 posts)I have two cousins that I suspect are gay but neither of them are open about it. It's not like my cousins were close when growing up anyway. They all lived over 300 miles away and some lived over 1,500 miles away. And heck, it is always possible that my two cousins are just lifetime bachelors - just like me.
Dyedinthewoolliberal
(15,574 posts)is gay..........
mnhtnbb
(31,388 posts)One came out in high school and the other during college. Both of them now have partners.
I thought one of my brother's sons was gay, but he has recently become engaged to a woman.
Bi? I dunno.
My husband had a sister whose husband left her--after fathering a child--to come out about 20 years ago. Their
son has been married to a woman for some time.
As for the rest of the family, I'm not aware of any gay members in either of my parents' families. My aunt
and uncle--mother's side of the family--had a son who is still a bachelor at age 60. I thought he might have
been gay, but since have decided that he may have Asperger's and just never met someone with whom
he could commit to a long term relationship.
whatthehey
(3,660 posts)A lot of it depends on the family though. My family is not exactly bohemian libertinism personified, but neither are we the Phelps clan. The closer families get to the latter, the less likely gay members of it are likely to be open cet par. Since more Republican families stray onto that end of the spectrum than Dems, I'm betting fewer of them know a family member is gay even when they are.
But still far too many of them are willing to despise and place obstacles in the path of their own family members willingly because of Gawd and "principles".
shanti
(21,675 posts)even among my cousins and extended family...that I know of anyway. Both my ex-hubs have lesbian sisters though.
ProfessorGAC
(65,042 posts)My side and my wife's side. Open and out, too.
3catwoman3
(23,987 posts)...married and had children and most of whom remained with their original opposite gender spouses or remarried another opposite gender spouse. My eldest cousin is on husband number 4 (2 divorces; one death), so I guess she is extra straight. The one unmarried cousin has had numerous emotional health difficulties over many years, is currently living in a women's shelter, and seldom communicates with any of us. She has at times spoken of having "lots of great sex," but I never inquired as to the gender of the partners.
I don't know much about most of my cousins' children. I do know 3 of my first cousins are grandparents. As far as I know, those offspring are in heterosexual marriages.
We have 2 sons. The oldest one has a serious girlfriend - his 3rd since high school, and he is now 25. The younger one, who is 22, has not had a long term girlfriend as far as we know, but based on the various colors of long (presumably) female hair that I have found clinging to his soccer socks when he comes home from college with laundry, AND the pair of tiny blue lace panties (much too small to be mine) that were also in the laundry one time, he seems to be straight.
Past generations - no clue.
haele
(12,654 posts)My husband says that Bi-sexuals have a difficult time when people are doing these types of lists; everyone who's big into advocacy politics thinks your faking it whenever you shift your love between genders. I'm pretty sure my late uncle, a confirmed bachelor, was Bi; he was also schizophrenic and messed up from the prudity of the 1940's and 50's, which didn't help his issues.
It's all about who you love, not just who turns you on.
Honestly. If men in general can turn you on, but you also love and are sexually turned on by a particular woman - or vice versa - what does it matter? Some people have a difficult to satisfy libido, some people have an easy to satisfy libido, and some have almost no libido; with most people not completely on the hetero- or homo- side when it comes to sexuality, most of us are somewhere muddling in the middle.
Which is probably the root cause for most of the virulent hate; if someone is bi, and was taught that having lust for someone of the same sex was wrong, wrong, wrong, there would be some serious confusion when faced with "I love and am turned on by my wife; why am I also turned on by Anderson Silva, Bradley Cooper, or the new Sexton at Church?"
Haele
treestar
(82,383 posts)But yet a lot of them do support gay marriage.
Republicans are stupid; look at Cheney.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)No, I do not come from a family with no gay members, meaning yes I do have gay members in my family.
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)One comes from a very "Christian" family. I figured out at age 10 that she was gay. She's in her 30s now and nobody in that family has ever acknowledged that fact. It's all still very hush hush. Fucking religion.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)HassleCat
(6,409 posts)Although I think there are no families without at least one gay person, I know of a couple that would deny it. I'm thinking of one particular family with a very obvious butch lesbian daughter, and the parents keep taking about Jane meeting nice boy, and giving them grandchildren, and so on. Jane just rolls her eyes. She's told them, directly, several times, that she's a lesbian, but they always say something about a transition phase, or evolving identity, or confused gender roles, etc. They keep thinking she'll "get over it." She's 28, and has been with the same GF for about three years. Yes, the parents have met the GF, several times.
gwheezie
(3,580 posts)My family has gay,straight,bi as well as black,white,Asian and Christians,Buddhists and atheist. In the history of my family at one point or another the differences have caused some disharmony until we all just got over it.
LeftInTX
(25,332 posts)My husband's niece
Another who is possibly in the closet
JustAnotherGen
(31,823 posts)None. I would hope if someone was they know they would be aok with us - we don't throw people away.
My husband does have a gay cousin though.
Travis_0004
(5,417 posts)peace13
(11,076 posts)....that I know of!
cwydro
(51,308 posts)I have a great uncle who is, and pretty sure my great great aunt was.
Certainly seems to run in my family on my mom's side.
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)I think that most homophobes who don't think there are any gays in their families are simply being kept in the dark by the rest of the family.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)though my best friend from junior high came out, to me at least, when we were in our early 20s. Fair number of gay/lesbian friends and acquaintances over the years, though.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)One cis, one trans.
MrScorpio
(73,631 posts)Nor anyone else of their families either
But then again, I'm not a bigoted right wing Republican.
pnwmom
(108,978 posts)LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)he came out to me in middle age. I had no idea.
pipi_k
(21,020 posts)diverse.
Some lesbian cousins, although no gay men.
Female cousins married to black men...biracial children
One nephew married to a black woman...a biracial daughter
Different cultures
Republicans and Democrats
Liberals and Conservatives
Religious and non-religious
One big family stewpot
justiceischeap
(14,040 posts)and a bi great niece. However, I'm not in touch with most of my extended family.
At one time, it was speculated that 1 in 3 siblings are gay--as an average. That was flitted about in the 90s, don't know if it still holds water or not.
randome
(34,845 posts)I've mentioned my father before but the thread as a whole reads like a 'coming out' opportunity for many.
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leftofcool
(19,460 posts)Adored and loved him so much. Died of AIDS. Still miss him and wish he was here.