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cali

(114,904 posts)
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 02:25 PM Apr 2015

Do any of the rethugs have the ability to "pivot to the center" in the GE?

That's one huge advantage that HRC has over all of them. HRC already has a pretty unified base and that's pretty likely to remain unchanged. I can't see democrats abandoning her when she pivots for the GE. But the rethugs? Their base of teahattists and evangelical fundies howls if they think one of their candidates would attend a same sex marriage or is for a woman having an abortion if she's raped. How the hell can they hold on to their base if they pivot to the center?

If you're the repuke nominee and you've been promising such shit as abolishing the EPA and the Dept of Ed and saying you'll push for a flat tax, how on earth can you move to the center without incurring the wrath of the base?

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Do any of the rethugs have the ability to "pivot to the center" in the GE? (Original Post) cali Apr 2015 OP
I hope Hillary will not have to pivot meaning upaloopa Apr 2015 #1
Jeb. dawg Apr 2015 #2
Yes and I think they will try to paint Scott Walker as a 'moderate' as well emulatorloo Apr 2015 #6
IMO Jeb Bush is so aligned. HereSince1628 Apr 2015 #3
They'll probably do what Mitt did in 2012. Deny they ever said any of that crazy shit emulatorloo Apr 2015 #4
I expect a lot of the usual "out of context" and "walking back" from all of the candidates. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2015 #5
that's not how the republicans play it - they shift the center 0rganism Apr 2015 #7
They will try with the help of a compliant press. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #8
Jeb and Walker zipplewrath Apr 2015 #9

dawg

(10,624 posts)
2. Jeb.
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 02:32 PM
Apr 2015

He's a right-winger all the way, but the media is prepared to extol his "centrism" pretty much 24/7 just as soon as he gets the nomination.

emulatorloo

(44,124 posts)
6. Yes and I think they will try to paint Scott Walker as a 'moderate' as well
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 02:38 PM
Apr 2015

Despite the fact that he's an extremist owned by the radical Koch Bros.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
3. IMO Jeb Bush is so aligned.
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 02:33 PM
Apr 2015

It's possible for ANY and ALL political candidates to make hollow campaign promises.

My expectation is Bush picks up a radical as a running mate. For a while I thought that would certainly be Walker. But depending on where Bush claims residency (will he go for Maine?) that could include Rubio.

emulatorloo

(44,124 posts)
4. They'll probably do what Mitt did in 2012. Deny they ever said any of that crazy shit
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 02:35 PM
Apr 2015

First Obama/Romney debate: Obama recited Mitt's teabag crazy primary positions back to him verbatim. Romney denied that he ever held those positions or said those things he said.

Media declared Romney the "winner" - no bother to fact check his statements, just rewarded for lying his ass off.

Happily in the long run he didn't pull it off. These guys seem even less stable than Mitt, hopefully they will fail at the game as well.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
5. I expect a lot of the usual "out of context" and "walking back" from all of the candidates.
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 02:36 PM
Apr 2015

I expect the "debates" to be jam packed with them.

0rganism

(23,954 posts)
7. that's not how the republicans play it - they shift the center
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 02:51 PM
Apr 2015

the rightwing lunatics in the GOP force their candidates to say some outrageous things, and the candidates themselves are pretty crazy to begin with. so what to do? how do all those billionaire republicans in the inner circle move their fanatical rightwing candidate to the center?

they buy it.

they buy campaign ads to tell the electorate that the freakish GOP positions are actually patriotic, true-blue American ideals, embraced strongly by the enlightened Christian founding fathers.

they buy state legislators and governors to enact amazing voter-qualification standards and underfund inner-city voter precincts.

by the time they're done and the checks are cashed, the voting public either agrees wholesale with the GOP candidate (some do) or believe that the candidates' most egregious expressed fascist beliefs are harmless common points of view in an ongoing controversy spanning centuries. those who disagree and believe the candidate's attitudes are inappropriate are marginalized and (if possible) blocked from voting or having their votes count if they do vote.

thus, embracing the center is not a problem for post-primary republicans. they change the nature of the electorate itself so the center comes to them.

this doesn't always work, sometimes they fail (cf McCain and Romney) but when they succeed...



zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
9. Jeb and Walker
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 04:37 PM
Apr 2015

Those two come to mind immediately. Rubio might be able to carve that spot out as well. A few of the other clowns might, except that they will never get that far.

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