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Just think about this for a second. Let that info sink in.... (Original Post) Playinghardball Apr 2015 OP
More than 9-11, too. blm Apr 2015 #1
Took the words right out of my mouth. Enthusiast Apr 2015 #24
You shall not speak of 9/11, or question George W. Bush's explanation of events of 9/11. blkmusclmachine Apr 2015 #48
n/t blkmusclmachine Apr 2015 #49
My first and immediate thought. nt stillwaiting Apr 2015 #57
Go figure. Quick, look over there, at Hillary/Benghazi . Not at us. misterhighwasted Apr 2015 #2
And they will with every issue they can manufacture including Clinton Cash, Benghazi, and anything jwirr Apr 2015 #4
Nope. They are now just one election away from absolute power. misterhighwasted Apr 2015 #14
If they win, I won't think we have to worry about elections anymore. n/t freshwest Apr 2015 #42
Never considered that. You are correct & another BIG reason to assist where we can misterhighwasted Apr 2015 #44
Yes, but it's not theoretical as some think of it. That is, it's not a future possibility. More and freshwest Apr 2015 #58
That is sad and scary Gothmog Apr 2015 #3
This is the clearest evidence there is Still In Wisconsin Apr 2015 #5
And for damn sure more than our thieving bank$ter/donors. n/t jtuck004 Apr 2015 #6
The difference between the two being R.Quinn Apr 2015 #7
That's because (P)Resident Obama can't be arsed to do it Demeter Apr 2015 #8
+1000 MissDeeds Apr 2015 #11
Yes. Makes one wonder what dirty deal the GOP was holding over the Dems misterhighwasted Apr 2015 #15
I have never been able to figure out MissDeeds Apr 2015 #19
Same here. A young man from my home town joined the Army to defend his Country misterhighwasted Apr 2015 #28
They don't care what the people want awoke_in_2003 Apr 2015 #31
Right you are! MissDeeds Apr 2015 #33
The country was in economic and social shambles. We had to move on or crumble even more. NOW kelliekat44 Apr 2015 #55
back in 2012 the compulsive flunkies were insisting that Libya was doing great, a secular liberal MisterP Apr 2015 #16
Benghazi investigations were an unreal waste of time, but... Lucky Luciano Apr 2015 #9
1) Defeat Obama in 2012. 2) Feed the fire. 3) Defeat Hillary in 2016 SleeplessinSoCal Apr 2015 #10
Surprise, surprise, surprise! 2naSalit Apr 2015 #12
republicans are like rabid dogs.... spanone Apr 2015 #13
Effing retch-inducing. IOKIYAR at its finest. nt stevenleser Apr 2015 #17
that's what repugs do and we i get frustrated that we don't reciprocate samsingh Apr 2015 #18
I do TOO!!!! calimary Apr 2015 #38
the gop doesn't play fair ever. they pretend to be for the good of the country samsingh Apr 2015 #40
It's Gob-samackingly Astonishing . . FairWinds Apr 2015 #20
We live in interesting times. Scurrilous Apr 2015 #21
It's true. I say Duval Apr 2015 #22
It speaks both to the lack of Democrat's strength and the danger of repubs. morningfog Apr 2015 #23
It is because Democrats in power try to get something done like the ACA treestar Apr 2015 #25
Yeah remember Ken Starr...what bozos. Dont call me Shirley Apr 2015 #26
If Mitt Romney was a patriot he would go on live TV tonight and beg our forgiveness NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #27
{shudder} Delphinus Apr 2015 #29
Source? nt F4lconF16 Apr 2015 #30
Who's fault is that? We didn't do shit but "take impeachment off the table" and "look forward". TheKentuckian Apr 2015 #32
I agree completely MissDeeds Apr 2015 #34
Refresh my memory please. Did the Democrats call for hearings on the Iraq war? Autumn Apr 2015 #35
Call for them? We controlled the committees, their job was to have said hearings not "call for them" TheKentuckian Apr 2015 #36
Didn't take but a second for that to sink in Autumn Apr 2015 #37
Why would there be any hearings? progressoid Apr 2015 #39
It's a matter of priorities ... Martin Eden Apr 2015 #41
Now do you believe politics is a sham? nt valerief Apr 2015 #43
Their version is. Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2015 #47
Witch Hunts Flatpicker Apr 2015 #45
From the party of "small government" comes the most bullshit paperwork. Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2015 #46
9/11, anyone? niyad Apr 2015 #50
Or Raygun's utter failure leading to the death of 250 Marines in Beirut. kairos12 Apr 2015 #51
That's the difference between partisanship and bi-partisanship. merrily Apr 2015 #52
Ken Starr marym625 Apr 2015 #53
Bookmarking this photo so I can copy and post at other sites. applegrove Apr 2015 #54
Have an explanation handy for why Democrats voted for that war and also for why merrily Apr 2015 #56
Sick. Hissyspit Apr 2015 #59
This message was self-deleted by its author GoneFishin Apr 2015 #60

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
2. Go figure. Quick, look over there, at Hillary/Benghazi . Not at us.
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 03:09 PM
Apr 2015

They play this game of distraction like its just another day.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
4. And they will with every issue they can manufacture including Clinton Cash, Benghazi, and anything
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 03:39 PM
Apr 2015

else they can turn out to the public. The Rs are not going to give up easily.

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
14. Nope. They are now just one election away from absolute power.
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 04:40 PM
Apr 2015

This will become far worse as the year goes on and all we can do is put all our effort to stopping that from happening.
The stakes are way too high this time around.

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
44. Never considered that. You are correct & another BIG reason to assist where we can
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 09:22 PM
Apr 2015

Chilling thought isn't.
Guess fascist gov'ts don't really have elections.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
58. Yes, but it's not theoretical as some think of it. That is, it's not a future possibility. More and
Wed Apr 22, 2015, 07:38 AM
Apr 2015

More, GOP state legislators and even their elected federal office holders refuse (in the case of some GOP governors, to live in traditional governor mansions) and conduct public business at country clubs and private meetings.

This is to reduce the input and contact with the voters they don't think should have the right to vote. There are a long string of examples, such as the one in 2012 of the senior citzen with a dislocated shoulder being brutalized on video to the laughter of Ryan's cronies, for protesting Paul Ryan's plan to cut Social Security.

The security said and local law enforcement agreed, although a'public' meeting with voters had been announced, it was on private property and one had to pay and be invited.

To discuss policy that affected everyone, by a Senator paid by tax dollars, but their input was not wanted if they weren't a member of the club. There have been many examples of this of this, but people turn their heads at the holy words of 'private property' or 'business' and let them roll over them as the aristocrats of old did which is what they seek to be.

ALEC was set up to negate the democratic action of community organizations. During the Reagan administration and later in the Newt Gingrich majority, changes were made to Social Security behind locked doors at the stroke of midnight, literally, to strip benefits from Medicare and up the retirement age, with no time for the public to react or mobilize against it. No debates, just done.

This is what the GOP does with 'smaller government.' Yes, it's small. A small, exclusive set of people running the government, their cronies while he great unwashed are rudely kicked aside and run over.

This is the voters' payment for apathy, while they were busy being diverted instead of getting their hands dirty dealing with these crooks up close, the GOP was stealing the store. When a certain amount of discomfort is felt such voters pay attention at last and begin to squall. But wat the uninvolved will get is more of the same.

The Texas legislature (they are by no means unique) has for several years acted outrageously and illegally, but they make and enforce the laws there. They just passed the latest of their series of acts to dismantle government:

Texas House Republicans Strip Power Of Ethics Unit Which Investigates Politicians

http://freakoutnation.com/2015/04/texas-house-republicans-strip-power-of-ethics-unit-which-investigates-politicians/

There is so much to tell, and so little time to tell it all.

 

Still In Wisconsin

(4,450 posts)
5. This is the clearest evidence there is
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 03:56 PM
Apr 2015

that Republicans are far, far more interested in gaining and maintaining power than they are in the welfare of this country.

 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
8. That's because (P)Resident Obama can't be arsed to do it
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 04:06 PM
Apr 2015

We are looking forward....per his directive. No war criminal prosecution, no investigations, nada.

The Benghazi Investigations have kept a lid on further depredations by the US in Libya....the NeoCons know they can't pull that kind of **** with such scrutiny.

Be grateful SOMEBODY is calling the Military/Industrial/Espionage/Economic Hitmen and Drone Boy on their little games of Empire, because the Democrats and the M$M sure as hell aren't.

 

MissDeeds

(7,499 posts)
11. +1000
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 04:27 PM
Apr 2015

Yep. Didn't Pelosi say we need to "move forward" when asked whether there would be investigations into the Iraq war? Our leaders rolled over and played dead when they should have demanded investigations. So many people died for a bogus, trumped up war. It's a disgrace.

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
15. Yes. Makes one wonder what dirty deal the GOP was holding over the Dems
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 04:49 PM
Apr 2015

Not a damned thing was done in the name of the million who were murdered. Nothing for the American citizens who joined the military when Bush sent out a call for Patriotism, and returned in a flag draped coffin. They were not told they would be acting as private mercenaries for Bush & Cheney.

And Bush & his exclusive team emerged from their 'war room' as billionaires.
Too atrocious to fathom.


 

MissDeeds

(7,499 posts)
19. I have never been able to figure out
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 05:00 PM
Apr 2015

why nothing was done - even when so many people were demanding investigations. There must have been something nefarious, some reason investigations weren't conducted.

I don't know how the loved ones of the dead and wounded endure it.

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
28. Same here. A young man from my home town joined the Army to defend his Country
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 05:16 PM
Apr 2015

..as Bush beat the heroic drum of Patriotism.

I think of his parents often.
He just graduated high school. Just turned 18. Worked at the effin PretzleMaker stand in the Mall.

A happy, funny, genuine friend to all, had his first real girlfriend.
He was one of the first to be sent to Iraq.

3 months later his truck was blown up by an IED and he was dead.

I would grow old rapidly if I were his parents.
This story repeats itself throughout our country and it is such tragedy knowing now, about just how these sons & daughters were fooled by their own gov't into becoming mercenaries for billionaires.

And no one held accountable for the lie that killed your child or loved one.
It just makes me ill.

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
31. They don't care what the people want
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 05:27 PM
Apr 2015

If they did, we wouldn't have gone into Iraq in the first place

 

MissDeeds

(7,499 posts)
33. Right you are!
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 05:39 PM
Apr 2015

And any fool could see it was bogus. How do they live with themselves? I used to drive around this very red state with a bumper sticker that said "Bush Lied - Soldiers Lied". Not one person took issue with that. I got a lot of honks and thumbs up, but no one told me I was wrong, that I wasn't supporting the troops, or even showed the slightest bit of annoyance. There were lots of flags on front porches supporting the troops, but not much support of the war.

 

kelliekat44

(7,759 posts)
55. The country was in economic and social shambles. We had to move on or crumble even more. NOW
Wed Apr 22, 2015, 04:40 AM
Apr 2015

we can back track and do what needs to be done to make the evil bastards pay up and return the nation to the people.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
16. back in 2012 the compulsive flunkies were insisting that Libya was doing great, a secular liberal
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 04:49 PM
Apr 2015

democratic paradise that had thrown off its shackles with our help, and that any stories of civil war or ethnic butchery was merely us libtards falling for GOP LIES PUT OUT TO BOLSTER BENGHAZI

now they're gonna have to erase Libya altogether, since "we came, we saw, he DIED" hardly serves as red meat for "swing voters" (wasn't that always the excuse for Dem wars? to make sure we win enough votes that the REAL warmongers don't get in? how'd that work out for Qadima, BTW?)

Lucky Luciano

(11,256 posts)
9. Benghazi investigations were an unreal waste of time, but...
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 04:07 PM
Apr 2015

By what metric us tge graphic true?

Wouldn't surprise me if true - but curious what numbers were used.

SleeplessinSoCal

(9,120 posts)
10. 1) Defeat Obama in 2012. 2) Feed the fire. 3) Defeat Hillary in 2016
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 04:25 PM
Apr 2015

It's the FNC ginned up scandal that they try to keep a hand on after their audience became insatiable.

calimary

(81,267 posts)
38. I do TOO!!!!
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 08:10 PM
Apr 2015

Our team doesn't even seem to realize you can't trust these bastards!

They let that abortion language slip through in the human trafficking bill and it almost went all the way. WTF were they thinking? That they could TRUST these bastards? They haven't learned ANYTHING on our team??? They haven't learned ANYTHING????? Still wearing those rose-colored GULLIBILITY glasses? Still think the GOP wants to play fair? SERIOUSLY????

samsingh

(17,598 posts)
40. the gop doesn't play fair ever. they pretend to be for the good of the country
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 08:44 PM
Apr 2015

but they are out for power for the very, very few.

 

FairWinds

(1,717 posts)
20. It's Gob-samackingly Astonishing . .
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 05:00 PM
Apr 2015

that the GOOPERS want to vote on an Iran treaty,

but won't even discuss Obama's ISIS War resolution,

which has been on the table since February 15th.

 

Duval

(4,280 posts)
22. It's true. I say
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 05:03 PM
Apr 2015

ENOUGH already. There used to be Republicans whom I admired, but they are long gone.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
23. It speaks both to the lack of Democrat's strength and the danger of repubs.
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 05:08 PM
Apr 2015

Dems never stepped up to hold bush accountable for his crimes. Republicans never cease in their efforts to destroy dems, even if it destroys the nation.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
25. It is because Democrats in power try to get something done like the ACA
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 05:10 PM
Apr 2015

and Republicans in power waste time.

NoJusticeNoPeace

(5,018 posts)
27. If Mitt Romney was a patriot he would go on live TV tonight and beg our forgiveness
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 05:12 PM
Apr 2015

for creating this non issue for political gain.

For doing something that used to be verboten.

TheKentuckian

(25,026 posts)
32. Who's fault is that? We didn't do shit but "take impeachment off the table" and "look forward".
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 05:30 PM
Apr 2015

Plenty should be charged as accessories most after the fact for aiding and abetting the vile cover up but as well as helping to push the initial effort.

Autumn

(45,084 posts)
35. Refresh my memory please. Did the Democrats call for hearings on the Iraq war?
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 05:46 PM
Apr 2015

I do recall Democrats voting yes on the IWR. And I do recall someone saying "Impeachments off the table". On torture I recall hearing someone saying 'We Tortured Some Folks' but hey, the people doing that were patriots. But I don't recall the Democrats in charge ever calling for hearings on that stuff. But I may have missed it.

TheKentuckian

(25,026 posts)
36. Call for them? We controlled the committees, their job was to have said hearings not "call for them"
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 05:52 PM
Apr 2015

progressoid

(49,990 posts)
39. Why would there be any hearings?
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 08:21 PM
Apr 2015

Since congress (both parties) were supportive and complicit, why would should we expect them to investigate themselves?

merrily

(45,251 posts)
52. That's the difference between partisanship and bi-partisanship.
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 11:10 PM
Apr 2015
Address to the Nation on the Invasion of Iraq (January 16, 1991)



George H. W. Bush


Just 2 hours ago, allied air forces began an attack on military targets in Iraq and Kuwait.
These attacks continue as I speak. Ground forces are not engaged.

This conflict started August 2d when the dictator of Iraq invaded a small and helpless neighbor. Kuwait—a member of the Arab League and a member of the United Nations—was crushed; its people, brutalized. Five months ago, Saddam Hussein started this cruel war against Kuwait. Tonight, the battle has been joined.


much more at:

http://www.millercenter.org/president/speeches/speech-3428

transcript: President Clinton explains Iraq strike

CLINTON: Good evening.

Earlier today, I ordered America's armed forces to strike military and security targets in Iraq. They are joined by British forces. Their mission is to attack Iraq's nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs and its military capacity to threaten its neighbors.


much more at:

http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1998/12/16/transcripts/clinton.html






more at:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026211673



Senate vote on 2002 AUMF at:

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/107-2002/s237



House vote on 2002 AUMF at:

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/107/hjres114



10:16 P.M. EST

THE PRESIDENT: My fellow citizens, at this hour, American and coalition forces are in the early stages of military operations to disarm Iraq, to free its people and to defend the world from grave danger.


On my orders, coalition forces have begun striking selected targets of military importance to undermine Saddam Hussein's ability to wage war. These are opening stages of what will be a broad and concerted campaign. More than 35 countries are giving crucial support -- from the use of naval and air bases, to help with intelligence and logistics, to the deployment of combat units. Every nation in this coalition has chosen to bear the duty and share the honor of serving in our common defense.


more at http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2003/03/20030319-17.html




merrily

(45,251 posts)
56. Have an explanation handy for why Democrats voted for that war and also for why
Wed Apr 22, 2015, 04:46 AM
Apr 2015

they failed to investigate. Republicans tend to investigate Democrats, not Republicans. Therefore, if anyone was to investigate the Iraq War, it would have been Democrats.

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