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hlthe2b

(102,276 posts)
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 03:31 PM Apr 2015

(TX) Sheriff has completed/sent investigative results to DA for possible charges (cat arrow death)

Story Updates: http://www.kbtx.com/home/headlines/Veterinarian-Brags-About-Killing-Cat-with-Bow-and-Arrow--300293461.html
(see link for background story and updates prior to today)

Tuesday (April 21)
11:53 a.m.
The Austin County Sheriff's Office has sent its investigation of the Brenham veterinarian who bragged on Facebook about killing a cat to the District Attorney's Office.

"At 7:59 this morning, the Austin County Sheriff has completed the investigation of the Animal Cruelty case first reported to us last Friday. The completed case file has been turned over to the Austin County District Attorney for filing of charges under Texas Penal Code 42.092.

With the completion of the investigation, the Sheriff's Office will not release any further comments or updates to this case. Any comments, questions or information requests must be made directly to the District Attorney's Office."
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(TX) Sheriff has completed/sent investigative results to DA for possible charges (cat arrow death) (Original Post) hlthe2b Apr 2015 OP
And the State Vet Licensing Board is investigating dixiegrrrrl Apr 2015 #1
email address for state vet licensing board magical thyme Apr 2015 #48
Anyone know if the "Killer Vet" has made any statement Laurian Apr 2015 #2
Don't know... There was a comment on a blog suggesting she'd reopened her facebook page hlthe2b Apr 2015 #4
As long as the Vet in question is provided 'due process' this is all good. HereSince1628 Apr 2015 #3
Or in the immortal words of Bugs Bunny, colorado_ufo Apr 2015 #5
she's a thrill seeking pyschopath samsingh Apr 2015 #6
I think -that- is unwarranted application of a psuedo diagnosis to demean a person HereSince1628 Apr 2015 #8
i wish the cat that was murdered had some sort of due process samsingh Apr 2015 #10
I just checked, and this is really weird jberryhill Apr 2015 #16
yes, we should ensure that the murdering creep's rights are maintained. samsingh Apr 2015 #19
Yep. To quote Dr. Gonzo from "Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas" hifiguy Apr 2015 #24
werewolves are nice samsingh Apr 2015 #30
Would you prefer to simply shoot her in the head with an arrow. rug Apr 2015 #34
no. samsingh Apr 2015 #35
there appear to be plenty of cops, paid by the taxpayers, who hold these statements in contempt samsingh Apr 2015 #26
My goodness you are correct! jberryhill Apr 2015 #44
many of the cops never make it past the grand jury samsingh Apr 2015 #49
you think that term is demeaning a vet who killed a cat and posted samsingh Apr 2015 #11
I think it's wrong to make claims about mental disorders when HereSince1628 Apr 2015 #15
killing a cat and posting it shows psychotic tendencies - i think there are medicines to samsingh Apr 2015 #18
WRONG, killing the cat demonstrated CRIMINAL behavior in Texas HereSince1628 Apr 2015 #21
untreated psychotic behavior is dangerous samsingh Apr 2015 #22
You do not use the term psychotic correctly HereSince1628 Apr 2015 #27
actually, that's a good point. She commited a criminal inhumane act. samsingh Apr 2015 #29
Yes I completely agree with that. HereSince1628 Apr 2015 #31
I don't like feral cats, and I live in Texas. MicaelS Apr 2015 #38
I understand domestic cats are alien to American ecosystems. HereSince1628 Apr 2015 #41
The problem is what to do with ferals. MicaelS Apr 2015 #45
Of course, in this case, it seems it was someone's pet. TDale313 Apr 2015 #42
Good point that it wasn't a feral. MicaelS Apr 2015 #43
Killing and torturing defenseless animals is a leading predictor hifiguy Apr 2015 #25
It MIGHT, if it occurs before a person reaches adulthood HereSince1628 Apr 2015 #28
there is tons of research on psychopathy. Dr. Michael Hare would certainly disagree with you. BlancheSplanchnik Apr 2015 #12
Yes anti-social personality disorder is ASSUMED to be the closest connection to the street term HereSince1628 Apr 2015 #17
once she's charged, it will be. BlancheSplanchnik Apr 2015 #36
I think you'll find that not to be a professioinal organizationin the psychiatric field HereSince1628 Apr 2015 #39
ok, ...I'm inclined to put more faith in Dr. Hare's findings, BlancheSplanchnik Apr 2015 #46
I agree. BlancheSplanchnik Apr 2015 #14
Unlikely as the term psychopath isn't a term accepted by any pyschiatric organization HereSince1628 Apr 2015 #20
btw - i support treatment for anyone having personality disorders or issues samsingh Apr 2015 #23
Unfortunately stigmatizing, prejudice and discrimination DISCOURAGE people from seeking help HereSince1628 Apr 2015 #33
Dr. Robert Hare BlancheSplanchnik Apr 2015 #37
This message was self-deleted by its author magical thyme Apr 2015 #47
Awesome frylock Apr 2015 #7
Wait for it in 1...2...3... Roy Rolling Apr 2015 #9
There is a facbook page vankuria Apr 2015 #13
I'm sure I'll be crucified for posting this tularetom Apr 2015 #32
No crucifying, but... TDale313 Apr 2015 #40

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
1. And the State Vet Licensing Board is investigating
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 03:50 PM
Apr 2015

thank god for the inter-tubes that provided so much comment to Texas authorities.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
48. email address for state vet licensing board
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 08:33 PM
Apr 2015

here is their email address, for any who missed it in an earlier thread:

Vet.board@veterinary.texas.gov

I emailed them the other day.

hlthe2b

(102,276 posts)
4. Don't know... There was a comment on a blog suggesting she'd reopened her facebook page
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 04:25 PM
Apr 2015

to thank supporters (maintain defiance?), but I am not on facebook and I never saw that repeated/validated elsewhere.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
3. As long as the Vet in question is provided 'due process' this is all good.
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 04:07 PM
Apr 2015

Texas animal control laws are unambiguous about how this is a felony.

I am not sure how license review for veteranarians works in Tx, but if she gets such due process and the penalties are withing the limits of that process, then she gets what is due.

I am still gobsmacked that a veteranarian would so risk her career. 8(!!) years of education cost$ and all the intellectual effort...in the immortal words of another texan "What was she thinking???????"

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
8. I think -that- is unwarranted application of a psuedo diagnosis to demean a person
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 05:48 PM
Apr 2015

pyscopath is NOT recognized by any psychiatric or psychological organization in the US.

It -is- a term used by right-wing authors commenting on police reports, and it does show up in some reports by what are supposed to be law enforcement agencies.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
16. I just checked, and this is really weird
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 06:25 PM
Apr 2015

Oddly, the US Constitution provides the following rights to a person charged with a crime:

- the right to counsel
- the right to a jury trial
- the right to confront accusers
- the right to refrain from testifying against oneself
- the right not to be subject to cruel and unusual punishment
- the right to compulsory process for obtaining witnesses
- the right not to be charged excessive fines
- the right to reasonable bail

The US Constitution provides the following rights to victims of a crime:

-

It's almost as if the primary concern of the people who wrote that thing was the manner in which the power of the government is applied most directly - in the form of denial of life, liberty or property - to an individual against whom the government is seeking to apply it.
 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
24. Yep. To quote Dr. Gonzo from "Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas"
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 06:40 PM
Apr 2015

"Even a goddamn werewolf deserves legal counsel."

But the State Veterinary Board is another kettle of fish, as it were.

samsingh

(17,598 posts)
11. you think that term is demeaning a vet who killed a cat and posted
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 06:17 PM
Apr 2015

a picture on facebook with the support of her mother and some friends????????


HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
15. I think it's wrong to make claims about mental disorders when
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 06:24 PM
Apr 2015

1) there is no evidence of mental disorder and only an appeal to a pseudo-scientific terminology

and

2) when the issue is ordinary criminal behavior defined as a felony under Texas law.


I'm really very tired of DUers using language to express disapproval that wrongly promotes prejudice and discrimination against a class of people.

You would clearly understand this if in place of psychopath the word "pus*y" or 'cu#t' was substituted.

samsingh

(17,598 posts)
18. killing a cat and posting it shows psychotic tendencies - i think there are medicines to
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 06:30 PM
Apr 2015

control psychotic behavior.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
21. WRONG, killing the cat demonstrated CRIMINAL behavior in Texas
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 06:36 PM
Apr 2015

You find it very morally objectionable to kill a cat this way.

I get that. I think it's not only immoral but in this case felonious.

I find it the use of stigmatizing language against the mentally ill using pseudo-terminology objectionable

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
27. You do not use the term psychotic correctly
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 06:43 PM
Apr 2015

there is nothing to suggest that the woman 'lost contact with reality' when she commited a felony.

She appears only to have been ignorant of the criminality of her act.

Lots of people have gripes against feral cats. That sentiment is very strong in England. Much of it has to do with beliefs that feral cats do ecological damage to ground and near ground nesting birds.

The belief that cats do such damage doesn't make a person psychotic.
Deviant criminal behavior that results in killing of cats doesn't make a person psychotic.

In many places, and most importantly for her in Texas, killing feral, or free-running cats is a crime.

MicaelS

(8,747 posts)
38. I don't like feral cats, and I live in Texas.
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 07:30 PM
Apr 2015

Frankly, I'd choose birds over feral cats any day of the week, even if said birds crap on my car.

Of course in the here and now US, cat are all but worshiped as gods, and it's almost like an Atheist criticizing Christianity to say anything against cats. I like cats fine, as long as they belong to someone else, and as long as they are kept in doors 24/7.

And no, I don't approve of the women killing the cat. I can't believe the stupidity of people these days who do stupid or criminal acts and then proudly post them for the whole world to see.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
41. I understand domestic cats are alien to American ecosystems.
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 07:39 PM
Apr 2015

Lots of people don't.

Cats DO NOT replace bobcats, lynx or mountain lions in our ecosystems.

Obviously that's no reason to kill them when they are encountered.

I have no problem with collecting them, handing them off to animal control, hoping their owners pay fines to get them back.

MicaelS

(8,747 posts)
45. The problem is what to do with ferals.
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 07:48 PM
Apr 2015

Personally, I don't think TNR is the solution, because the ferals still impact the ecosystem.

TDale313

(7,820 posts)
42. Of course, in this case, it seems it was someone's pet.
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 07:44 PM
Apr 2015

A neutered, friendly cat who appears to have gotten quite close to this murderous pos. Now, I am a cat lover who strongly advises keeping your cats inside- for the cats' sake and other wildlife and so as not to bother the neighbors- and cause there are nasty people like this vet out there- but this was someone's companion animal, not some stray.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
28. It MIGHT, if it occurs before a person reaches adulthood
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 06:46 PM
Apr 2015

Breaking the law can sometimes just be breaking the law.

And many people who otherwise seem to care about nature, such as birders, have hard feelings about feral cats. Feral and free-range domestic cats have been documented to do ecological damage, even causing extinction.

http://www.philipcarr-gomm.com/cats-blamed-for-the-extinction-of-33-species/

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
12. there is tons of research on psychopathy. Dr. Michael Hare would certainly disagree with you.
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 06:20 PM
Apr 2015

Dr. Robert Hare's site devoted to the study of Psychopathy. http://hare.org/
Plenty of links at his site.

DSM-IV, V use the term Anti-Social Personality Disorder.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
17. Yes anti-social personality disorder is ASSUMED to be the closest connection to the street term
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 06:27 PM
Apr 2015

that diagnosis also REQUIRES emergence of symptoms, as evidenced by things such as police records or school expulsions.

NONE OF THAT IS IN EVIDENCE

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
36. once she's charged, it will be.
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 07:20 PM
Apr 2015

I don't believe that not having gotten caught contraindicates a diagnosis. There are many ASPD people who are smart enough to regulate their activities and avoid detection. There are sub-criminal psychopaths, who demonstrate the personality traits but never progress to flagrant criminal behavior.

http://www.psychopathysociety.org/en/

The Society for the Scientific Study of Psychopathy (SSSP) is a non-profit, professional organization aiming to promote the conduct and communication of scientific research in the field of psychopathic personality (psychopathy) and to encourage education and training in those fields of science that contribute to research in psychopathy. The members of SSSP are actively engaged in trying to better understand the characteristics and causes of psychopathy, as well as better ways of detecting it, treating it, and ultimately preventing its destructive manifestations. Our organization is dedicated to the science of psychopathy. Nevertheless, we welcome not only established investigators, but also students, clinicians, educators, science journalists, attorneys, and others who are interested in learning more about research on this still poorly understood condition.


There are many more links at www.hare.org
www.hare.org/scales
Dr. Hare has spent over 35 years researching psychopathy and is the developer of the Hare Psychopathy Checklist-Revised (PCL-R), and a co-author of its derivatives, the Psychopathy Checklist: Screening Version (PCL:SV), the P-Scan, the Psychopathy Checklist: Youth Version (PCL:YV), and the Antisocial Process Screening Device (APSD). He is also a co-author of the Guidelines for a Psychopathy Treatment Program. The Hare Psychopathy Checklist-Revised, with demonstrated reliability and validity, is rapidly being adopted worldwide as the standard instrument for researchers and clinicians.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
39. I think you'll find that not to be a professioinal organizationin the psychiatric field
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 07:30 PM
Apr 2015

It's rather more like Rand Paul's self-created opthomology body.

If you wish you can turn on the TV and listen to all manner of quackery promoted via Dr Oz, too. And he's faculty at Columbia Medical School.

The issue at hand i is NO ACCREDITING AMERICAN PROFESSIONAL PSYCHOLOGICAL ORGANIZATION recognizes psychopathy as a reality.

It's a term that repeatedly enters criminal justice discourse through the voices of persons who wish to debase criminals with a pseudo-scientific label in addition to 'criminal'.

Which it seems is what law enforcement types spends a lot of time on when they aren't defending killing unarmed black men.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
46. ok, ...I'm inclined to put more faith in Dr. Hare's findings,
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 08:01 PM
Apr 2015

But if you could you show me some peer reviewed articles supporting your statements, I'd reconsider my outlook.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
20. Unlikely as the term psychopath isn't a term accepted by any pyschiatric organization
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 06:32 PM
Apr 2015

More likely just an appeal to a psychological sounding terminology to people you don't like.

That's merely ableist bigotry that supports widespread prejudice and discrimination against the truly mentally ill.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
33. Unfortunately stigmatizing, prejudice and discrimination DISCOURAGE people from seeking help
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 07:02 PM
Apr 2015

It's extremely common among English speakers to use references to mental illness as the means of debasement. That results in things such as a US unemployment rate for the mentally ill of 80% (!!!), and rejection as co-workers, congregration members etc.

Using allusions of mental disorders as disparagements is not just a matter of free speech. It's a matter of promoting attitudes that really do harm people who've done nothing more than be afflicted by an illness.




Response to HereSince1628 (Reply #3)

Roy Rolling

(6,917 posts)
9. Wait for it in 1...2...3...
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 06:11 PM
Apr 2015

When will some moron post a Crowdfunding site to enrich the idiot pet cat murderer citing how she is really the victim of left-wing animal lovers?

vankuria

(904 posts)
13. There is a facbook page
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 06:22 PM
Apr 2015

called "Justice for Cat Murdered by Kristen Lindsey" and they were reporting on her losing her job and she actually put a message on the page something to the effect of "I wasn't fired, I am too awesome", which she later deleted. This young lady has an awfully high opinion of herself and clearly doesn't see where she did anything wrong. The Texas licensing board has been inundated with complaints and this news, thanks to social media has traveled around the world, she'll never escape this.

I also believe the couple who owned the cat plan on filing charges against her.

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
32. I'm sure I'll be crucified for posting this
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 06:56 PM
Apr 2015

But IMO this is a time when the "C" word is entirely appropriate.

This POS is lower than whale shit on the bottom of the Marianas Trench.

TDale313

(7,820 posts)
40. No crucifying, but...
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 07:37 PM
Apr 2015

The problem with slurs like the C word or N word or is they denigrate a whole class of people and not just the individual involved. So, not sure it's useful or "ok" no matter the circumstances. I say this as a woman who considers herself a feminist and who (not proudly) admits that I've been known to use the B word and C word in the past.

Your last sentence, though? Spot on.

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