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Story Updates: http://www.kbtx.com/home/headlines/Veterinarian-Brags-About-Killing-Cat-with-Bow-and-Arrow--300293461.html
(see link for background story and updates prior to today)
11:53 a.m.
The Austin County Sheriff's Office has sent its investigation of the Brenham veterinarian who bragged on Facebook about killing a cat to the District Attorney's Office.
"At 7:59 this morning, the Austin County Sheriff has completed the investigation of the Animal Cruelty case first reported to us last Friday. The completed case file has been turned over to the Austin County District Attorney for filing of charges under Texas Penal Code 42.092.
With the completion of the investigation, the Sheriff's Office will not release any further comments or updates to this case. Any comments, questions or information requests must be made directly to the District Attorney's Office."
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)thank god for the inter-tubes that provided so much comment to Texas authorities.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)here is their email address, for any who missed it in an earlier thread:
Vet.board@veterinary.texas.gov
I emailed them the other day.
Laurian
(2,593 posts)regarding this incident?
hlthe2b
(102,276 posts)to thank supporters (maintain defiance?), but I am not on facebook and I never saw that repeated/validated elsewhere.
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)Texas animal control laws are unambiguous about how this is a felony.
I am not sure how license review for veteranarians works in Tx, but if she gets such due process and the penalties are withing the limits of that process, then she gets what is due.
I am still gobsmacked that a veteranarian would so risk her career. 8(!!) years of education cost$ and all the intellectual effort...in the immortal words of another texan "What was she thinking???????"
colorado_ufo
(5,734 posts)"What a maroon."
samsingh
(17,598 posts)her father in law owns the clinic. she thought she was safe
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)pyscopath is NOT recognized by any psychiatric or psychological organization in the US.
It -is- a term used by right-wing authors commenting on police reports, and it does show up in some reports by what are supposed to be law enforcement agencies.
samsingh
(17,598 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Oddly, the US Constitution provides the following rights to a person charged with a crime:
- the right to counsel
- the right to a jury trial
- the right to confront accusers
- the right to refrain from testifying against oneself
- the right not to be subject to cruel and unusual punishment
- the right to compulsory process for obtaining witnesses
- the right not to be charged excessive fines
- the right to reasonable bail
The US Constitution provides the following rights to victims of a crime:
-
It's almost as if the primary concern of the people who wrote that thing was the manner in which the power of the government is applied most directly - in the form of denial of life, liberty or property - to an individual against whom the government is seeking to apply it.
samsingh
(17,598 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)"Even a goddamn werewolf deserves legal counsel."
But the State Veterinary Board is another kettle of fish, as it were.
samsingh
(17,598 posts)I'm sure she'd want to kill them too
rug
(82,333 posts)samsingh
(17,598 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)It almost seems as if these rights are to be enforced by courts!
samsingh
(17,598 posts)samsingh
(17,598 posts)a picture on facebook with the support of her mother and some friends????????
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)1) there is no evidence of mental disorder and only an appeal to a pseudo-scientific terminology
and
2) when the issue is ordinary criminal behavior defined as a felony under Texas law.
I'm really very tired of DUers using language to express disapproval that wrongly promotes prejudice and discrimination against a class of people.
You would clearly understand this if in place of psychopath the word "pus*y" or 'cu#t' was substituted.
samsingh
(17,598 posts)control psychotic behavior.
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)You find it very morally objectionable to kill a cat this way.
I get that. I think it's not only immoral but in this case felonious.
I find it the use of stigmatizing language against the mentally ill using pseudo-terminology objectionable
samsingh
(17,598 posts)HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)there is nothing to suggest that the woman 'lost contact with reality' when she commited a felony.
She appears only to have been ignorant of the criminality of her act.
Lots of people have gripes against feral cats. That sentiment is very strong in England. Much of it has to do with beliefs that feral cats do ecological damage to ground and near ground nesting birds.
The belief that cats do such damage doesn't make a person psychotic.
Deviant criminal behavior that results in killing of cats doesn't make a person psychotic.
In many places, and most importantly for her in Texas, killing feral, or free-running cats is a crime.
samsingh
(17,598 posts)HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)MicaelS
(8,747 posts)Frankly, I'd choose birds over feral cats any day of the week, even if said birds crap on my car.
Of course in the here and now US, cat are all but worshiped as gods, and it's almost like an Atheist criticizing Christianity to say anything against cats. I like cats fine, as long as they belong to someone else, and as long as they are kept in doors 24/7.
And no, I don't approve of the women killing the cat. I can't believe the stupidity of people these days who do stupid or criminal acts and then proudly post them for the whole world to see.
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)Lots of people don't.
Cats DO NOT replace bobcats, lynx or mountain lions in our ecosystems.
Obviously that's no reason to kill them when they are encountered.
I have no problem with collecting them, handing them off to animal control, hoping their owners pay fines to get them back.
MicaelS
(8,747 posts)Personally, I don't think TNR is the solution, because the ferals still impact the ecosystem.
TDale313
(7,820 posts)A neutered, friendly cat who appears to have gotten quite close to this murderous pos. Now, I am a cat lover who strongly advises keeping your cats inside- for the cats' sake and other wildlife and so as not to bother the neighbors- and cause there are nasty people like this vet out there- but this was someone's companion animal, not some stray.
MicaelS
(8,747 posts)I had forgotten that. Thanks for reminding me.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)of serious mental disorders.
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)Breaking the law can sometimes just be breaking the law.
And many people who otherwise seem to care about nature, such as birders, have hard feelings about feral cats. Feral and free-range domestic cats have been documented to do ecological damage, even causing extinction.
http://www.philipcarr-gomm.com/cats-blamed-for-the-extinction-of-33-species/
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)Dr. Robert Hare's site devoted to the study of Psychopathy. http://hare.org/
Plenty of links at his site.
DSM-IV, V use the term Anti-Social Personality Disorder.
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)that diagnosis also REQUIRES emergence of symptoms, as evidenced by things such as police records or school expulsions.
NONE OF THAT IS IN EVIDENCE
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)I don't believe that not having gotten caught contraindicates a diagnosis. There are many ASPD people who are smart enough to regulate their activities and avoid detection. There are sub-criminal psychopaths, who demonstrate the personality traits but never progress to flagrant criminal behavior.
http://www.psychopathysociety.org/en/
There are many more links at www.hare.org
www.hare.org/scales
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)It's rather more like Rand Paul's self-created opthomology body.
If you wish you can turn on the TV and listen to all manner of quackery promoted via Dr Oz, too. And he's faculty at Columbia Medical School.
The issue at hand i is NO ACCREDITING AMERICAN PROFESSIONAL PSYCHOLOGICAL ORGANIZATION recognizes psychopathy as a reality.
It's a term that repeatedly enters criminal justice discourse through the voices of persons who wish to debase criminals with a pseudo-scientific label in addition to 'criminal'.
Which it seems is what law enforcement types spends a lot of time on when they aren't defending killing unarmed black men.
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)But if you could you show me some peer reviewed articles supporting your statements, I'd reconsider my outlook.
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)And I've been up close and personal with too frikken many psychopaths.
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)More likely just an appeal to a psychological sounding terminology to people you don't like.
That's merely ableist bigotry that supports widespread prejudice and discrimination against the truly mentally ill.
samsingh
(17,598 posts)HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)It's extremely common among English speakers to use references to mental illness as the means of debasement. That results in things such as a US unemployment rate for the mentally ill of 80% (!!!), and rejection as co-workers, congregration members etc.
Using allusions of mental disorders as disparagements is not just a matter of free speech. It's a matter of promoting attitudes that really do harm people who've done nothing more than be afflicted by an illness.
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)and other links I provided in my other reply.
Response to HereSince1628 (Reply #3)
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frylock
(34,825 posts)Roy Rolling
(6,917 posts)When will some moron post a Crowdfunding site to enrich the idiot pet cat murderer citing how she is really the victim of left-wing animal lovers?
vankuria
(904 posts)called "Justice for Cat Murdered by Kristen Lindsey" and they were reporting on her losing her job and she actually put a message on the page something to the effect of "I wasn't fired, I am too awesome", which she later deleted. This young lady has an awfully high opinion of herself and clearly doesn't see where she did anything wrong. The Texas licensing board has been inundated with complaints and this news, thanks to social media has traveled around the world, she'll never escape this.
I also believe the couple who owned the cat plan on filing charges against her.
tularetom
(23,664 posts)But IMO this is a time when the "C" word is entirely appropriate.
This POS is lower than whale shit on the bottom of the Marianas Trench.
TDale313
(7,820 posts)The problem with slurs like the C word or N word or is they denigrate a whole class of people and not just the individual involved. So, not sure it's useful or "ok" no matter the circumstances. I say this as a woman who considers herself a feminist and who (not proudly) admits that I've been known to use the B word and C word in the past.
Your last sentence, though? Spot on.