They don't want it to go against the party. But I think public anger one day will catch up.

and in a money driven system money talks louder than average workers, or even the vast majority of voters/citizens.

Not because the system is inherently money driven.

And money = power.

I can accept that also. But a money system also self selects for the corrupt politician.

If you're saying the world is full of temptations, sure. But since when does that justify bad behavior?

Someone waving money or a trip in my face would not get me to sell out people who elected me.

Money does seem to bring out the worst in people, and it also seems to attract the worst in people. Considering that lobbying organizations are increasingly writing the laws that legislators pass, your comment about the number of lobbyists before 1980 is very accurate.

Our social justice group showed "The United States of ALEC" by Bill Moyers. An excellent movie that provokes much discussion. Even some conservatives are concerned about money in politics.

and Representatives and tell them to vote NO!

TPP = Trans Pacific Partnership, a trade agreement among 12 nations, including the United States. It's been in negotiation for several years. Late-stage drafts of various chapters of it have been leaked, but, as far as is publicly known, the negotiating countries have not reached agreement on the final text.

TPA = Trade Promotion Authority, known colloquially as "fast track". This is a bill that sets ground rules for Congressional consideration of the TPP (once a specific TPP is submitted to Congress by the President). Its ground rules would also, however, apply to any other trade agreement proposed during its life, which I think is six years. Notable features of TPA are that the agreement, as proposed by the President, must be given an up-or-down vote as is (with no amendments permitted), and that each step in the Congressional process (committee consideration, vote by each chamber) must be completed within strict time limits.

Proponents of TPP, such as McConnell, Obama, and Boehner, have pushed for TPA. Opponents of TPP, such as Warren, have argued that the purpose of TPA is to rush the agreement through Congress without adequate opportunity to consider the problems it poses. As a general rule, TPP proponents support TPA, while TPP opponents oppose TPA.

Congress is now considering TPA. No official final version of TPP has yet been made public or sent to Congress.

You explained that well. I understand now.

Do you believe a few calls are going to change anyone's vote?

Yes, I do it anyway, but not out of any conviction that anyone is going to pay more attention to me than to the Koch's or Obama or the head of his or her caucus.

A lot less. NAFTA went into, em, action on Jan. 1, 1994.



A guy told me that little blip was when they were training other people for their jobs.

These union jobs helped build the middle class, the prosperity from FDR's time to Raygun.

"H. Clinton joining with Mitch McConnell in favoring corporations over unions?" it's not in the article and it's not true.

But you throwing that in there speaks volumes to your agenda. One BTW which is failing miserably.

I would love to see where she has joined with Mitch McConnell or where she is favoring corporations over unions. I'll be here all evening.

Clinton was helpful in developing the TPP and she hasn't come out to say she has changed her mind. I conclude she is on the opposite sides with the unions. This is not that surprising since she has very close ties with Goldman-Sachs the worse of the worst.

Now maybe you have some evidence that she doesn't support the TPP.

Which is a shame because your OP started out good and then you had to ruin it with your false claims.

Looks like you could be you own worst enemy.



P.S. Clinton was doing her boss's bidding as Secretary of State (pretty sure you knew that though).

SHe has made comments on TPP you just don't like the answer.

P.S.S. Still waiting on your evidence. I think hell will freeze over first though.

Second, I gave my opinion and don't have to prove a thing to you. If you dispute what I said, it should be easy for you to find evidence to back you up.

C. "Clinton was doing her boss's bidding as Secretary of State" Really? He forced her to do something against her better judgement? Then why isn't she speaking out?

4th I heard her comments. Her lack of commitment said a lot.

Instead of you deciding for me/us. Deal? or is the hell freezing over thing still in effect?

is corrupt or on the take from big corporations. I think that he feels TPP will help the US overall greatly moving forward.

And that it will help a lot of working families. Just not traditional union families. How much it may or may not harm union families I believe is open to debate.

If you have the opportunity to improve our economy greatly, to help millions of people put money in their pockets, including small businesses and small business owners, then I think that's an opportunity to consider very carefully. And you most definitely must weigh it against whether it will do no harm to unions or possibly slight harm to unions.

I understand and sympathize with and support unions. I also understand there's a lot of non-union workers in the US as well.

should be able to figure out how that's possible. What possibly could the document contain that would help the 99%. Especially when the pieces we've seen show that not true at all.

And i don't support TTP.

[div class="excerpt"]“We know Scott has been with us in so many issues, we know though that this is a crucial vote, maybe the most important vote that Scott will take in his time in Congress.” Richard Barrera

April 23, 2015 (San Diego) they came, they were from the labor community and the faith community. “Scott Peters, hear our plea, we say no to TTP, we say no to fast track too, our way of life depends on you.” This chant was over the Transpacific Trade Agreement. It is over giving President Barack Obama Fast Track Authority (FTA).

Leaders of the faith community, like Reverend Beth Johnson, Rabbi Laurie Coskey, and Reverent Jay L. Hill joined Richard Barrera President-CEO of the Central Labor Council, and workers from the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers (IBEW), Local 669. Tyler Burgraff, a machinist, told the story of industry in San Diego, from the point of view of workers. He has personally been affected by these trade deals.

http://reportingsandiego.com/2015/04/23/labor-and-faith-leaders-march-to-congressman-peters-office/

All I can say is, not happy campers, though it was a very respectful convo. If Peters votes for it, he can forget these same folks walking precincts. That is the feeling I got.

skulking suspiciously in a side alley, smoking a cigarette, maybe.