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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDear people who make and sell things:
If I have substantial risk of harming myself or your product in the course of trying to extract it from hideously difficult packaging, you are DOING IT WRONG!
I can't possibly be the only one who has experienced this, and I've seen it in everything from computer parts, to ... here's some irony ... a pair of scissors. If I have to USE scissors to get into the package of scissors, well, what the hell did I need a pair of scissors for since I clearly already have a pair!?
KT2000
(20,586 posts)of time when Costco would open their awful packaging at the checkout. They had a special tool. Maybe workers were injured or something but they stopped that. Also - CDs are ridiculous to open.
giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)KT2000
(20,586 posts)who can't figure out all this new fangled internet music stuff.
giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)I don't even know why I have my old one's sitting in the car if I think of a song I want to hear I just download it to my phone for free & boom it's there for ever.
Skidmore
(37,364 posts)Gobs of them. We even have a few cassettes and a selection of 8-tracks. We also have all the equipment to play any of them, kept in repair by my husband. One thing we don't have is smart phones.
giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)a few months back, he took it out looked it over then tried to put it back in the case. It took him a good 90 seconds to figure out how to put it away. It was a sad day for me.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)When his mom told him there was music on it he looked it over and asked where to plug the headphones in. 😆
giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)It's a whole other world & I was born in the late 70's, I can't imagine what it's like for the older generations.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)neither of our little kids has ever used a land line phone!
giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)to call the house phone & me either having to talk in front of my parents, have a 50 ft phone cord that I might be able to drag around the corner or maybe a cordless phone. But there were 3 girls in the house all within a 18 mths of each other so the phone was a hot commodity.
pscot
(21,024 posts)whichever comes first.
giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)I'm a tech baby so making sure I have plenty of juice is a necessity.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)but the compression kills a lot of the sound. CDs aren't as good as vinyl, but they are light years ahead of compressed music.
KT2000
(20,586 posts)Flat screen TVs with no sound bar are not very good either. Got a DVD of my favorite pianist and the parts where he plays in concert are really disappointing. The sound is so thin. His CDs are much fuller and a joy to listen to.
kentauros
(29,414 posts)I continue to buy CDs so I can then rip them myself to FLAC (Free Lossless Audio Codec.) Wav-files are best because they aren't compressed, but then take up more room on your high-end PMP (Portable Media Player.) I own a Cowon Z2, 32gb with MicroSD slot for added capacity
Now, if you can afford to own the highest-end products like a Cowon Plenue 1, or HiFiMan HM-802, or Sony ZX2, or Astell&Kern AK240, or FiiO X5, then you might want to go with uncompressed audio files.
StarzGuy
(254 posts)shenmue
(38,506 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)Because they were too freaking hard to get into for our industrial plant.
Nay
(12,051 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)for it to have any effect.
Actually I've seen it done with some USA made goods, as well, but you are right that it is mostly goods made in China or Taiwan.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)Wielding sharp knives, or using scissors at awkward angles - nothing good will come of that!
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)a horribly thick plastic package, the kind they weld all around the edges.
So, I'm traveling on business, in a hotel room opening this thing, got my sharp penknife out, pressing down on the package, but it slipped, I don't know how, and stabbed my thigh.
Made a cut about 1 1/2 inches deep, about 3/4" wide, blood all over the place. I drove to urgent care, got in quickly, they got questioning about if I was in a fight and all, lots and lots of questions, guess they believed me and did not launch a police investigation.
Damn, I was holding the package correctly, the package was so strong a very sharp knife had trouble cutting the ultra industrial strength plastic. Ended up with about 6 stitches, a tetanus shot and lots of bandages. Damn, it hurt a week or two, still have a scar.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)Cats are exceptionally ingenious about opening things they are not supposed to open.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)how you didn't mean it.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)to travel from a long ways away but we not only have trouble opening them but we have to recycle them. And there is a lot of material inside the box that cannot be recycled.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)I'm tempted to throw the entire thing away, product and all, due to the fact that you practically need a chainsaw for some of them.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wrap_rage
Wrap rage, also called package rage, is the common name for heightened levels of anger and frustration resulting from the inability to open hard-to-open packaging, particularly some heat-sealed plastic blister packs and clamshells. People suffer thousands of injuries per year, such as cut fingers and sprained wrists, from tools used to open packages and from packaging itself, and in some cases damage the items they are trying to free from packaging.
That's exactly what I'm talking about. If packaging is so hard to get into that you have to go to the emergency room for stitches after an attempt, something is WRONG.
Warpy
(111,319 posts)have saved me a great deal of aggravation over the years when it comes to that damned heavy plastic that is impervious to kitchen knives, ordinary scissors, hedge clippers, and saws.
I don't know who invented that damned heavy plastic wrapping but I'd love to get him alone in a dark alley for a few minutes.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)I didn't think of tin snips. Do they also come in packages which require a set of tin snips to get into them?
Warpy
(111,319 posts)They're just large and heavy enough that the heavy bubble plastic isn't cost effective. Mine came with light cardboard holding the handles together and a couple of twist ties holding the cardboard on.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)for humanity as a species, after all.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Regular scissors are puny.
LeftInTX
(25,494 posts)Good gosh, I had to get my husband out of bed to open the battery thingy. (The Oral-B screws, but the Crest thing requires a super-human grip)
No you are not alone. All of this stuff drives me crazy. I've got arthritis and there is no mercy for us.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)and I am pretty nimble with my hands, but I've nearly lost a finger getting into some of these horrible Fort Knox contraptions.
lpbk2713
(42,766 posts)almost required a blow torch to get the item out of the packaging.
I'm with you.
If there is a threat of amputating a finger to get into something, who the hell wants to steal it in the first place?
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)We had a program at my department, and a free thumb drive was one of the giveaways, and I had to open 150 individually packaged ones...Yeah, I cursed a whole lot since that hard plastic when cut can slice your hand like a shard of glass
Aerows
(39,961 posts)Do you still have all of your digits in tact?
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)but I agree 1000% that this hard-seal plastic packaging needs to be eliminated...Hard to believe there hasn't been some kind of lawsuit already...Always fun when you use an industrial pair of scissors and end up scratching your product or cutting through the instruction booklet...
I've had to use HEDGE SHEARS(!) on some of the bigger packages...I'm serious...
Aerows
(39,961 posts)when you either dice up the instruction booklet or scratch/destroy something taking it out of the package. It annoys me less than getting wounded on the hard, sharp plastic though!
StarzGuy
(254 posts)...It's a stretch to call them papers, more like single ply tissue paper. Is it my eyes or do I really need to buy a microscope to read the teeny tiny print of these instructions now?
Aerows
(39,961 posts)The only reason why is that I am so near-sighted without vision correction that I can't see a foot in front of me. What I do is "float" my contact lens aside so that I'm not using correction, and bring it right in my face. I can read just about anything in that circumstance.
Phentex
(16,334 posts)First, the package. Then a billion twist tie thingies all rolled in opposite directions. Then scissors needed to snip the plastic ties holding parts down.
But she is in pristine condition so there is that.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)are pretty damn dangerous to snip off, too.
Phentex
(16,334 posts)just opening them up!
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)And my little pony sets with all those tiny parts!
arcane1
(38,613 posts)I'm half convinced it's some sort of bizarre social experiment
Aerows
(39,961 posts)if severing an artery might be a potential hazard of getting into an item, something is just not right here.
BlueJazz
(25,348 posts)The Jaws of Life.
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)it's got a handle and a little razor that goes around the edge of the clear bubble plastic
Aerows
(39,961 posts)with a handle doesn't sound all that much safer LOL!
Octafish
(55,745 posts)...is hard. Sharp, too.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)to perform surgery than open a USB drive, the company is doing it wrong LOL!
LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)It should be outlawed. Invented so you can't return anything and it's dangerous
Aerows
(39,961 posts)The plastic stuff is sharp when you cut it, and whatever you are using to break into the vault holding your product you just bought can slip, too.
DirkGently
(12,151 posts)They came in a blister pack containing blister packs, wound in ultra-strong tape, within some blister packs.
I'm really not sure they're fully opened now, and I've been using them a couple of weeks.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)I have a couple of things myself that I am not completely convinced are fully extracted from the safe they came in!
StarzGuy
(254 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)to get something out of whatever it was sealed in, the company packing/producing/selling it is doing it wrong!
WillowTree
(5,325 posts)Can pretty much slice around the prize inside without too much ado.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)Still, is it really necessary to close things up so tight that you need a tool devoted to getting into something you just purchased!?
redwitch
(14,946 posts)I have cut myself on it. Awful stuff!
Aerows
(39,961 posts)or whatever tool you are using to crack the vault it came in!
ClusterFreak
(3,112 posts)WRAP RAGE!!!!
And I am totally hip to your post!! Drives me right up the freaking wall that so many household items today are wrapped so tightly, in such an unpenetrable, hard plastic vacuum seal, that the only way to open them is with a small set of explosives!
Aaaargh I tells ya, AAAAARRRRRRGGGGHHHH!!
Aerows
(39,961 posts)to mine for gold than to get into your damn product, you are DOING IT WRONG!
ClusterFreak
(3,112 posts)applegrove
(118,749 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)I could have gone on about those and all the little tag thingies they have on them, but they are a drop in the bucket compared to the clamshell packages that electronics and various items come in.
applegrove
(118,749 posts)With the sticker on each sock? All neatly hung over the tiny little sock hanger? I swear they are afraid one of those little socks are going to take off and run away.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)Someone is clearly going to run off with two pairs of socks that cost $2 if they don't secure them from sock theft.
NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)trying to think of the right joke here
dangerous contents but opening box more dangerous
Aerows
(39,961 posts)What the heck are they thinking?
NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)and that is when the fun and blood begins
allan01
(1,950 posts)ghads , i hate everything coated in cellophane and packaged so tight they seem to say .I DARE YOU . insert evIl laugh here .
Aerows
(39,961 posts)"You just paid $15 dollars for me, now try to get to your purchase, foolish mortal!"
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,806 posts)I can't think of another way to get those stupid plastic packages open.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)extremely useful! What on earth are these companies thinking packaging crap in these things like they are selling diamonds?
foo_bar
(4,193 posts)That way we can pay to burn more fossil fuels to crack open this (no doubt petroleum based) exoskeleton that enhances the corporate bottom line by like 0.001% at the expense of everyone else involved.
MineralMan
(146,324 posts)The pocket knife that is always in my right pants pocket makes short work of all package opening chores. It is an excellent tool. My wife has a similar one, although smaller, in her purse.
I recommend that everyone have a knife handy. Who knows, you might have to cut a seat belt to save someone's life. Buy a pocket knife and keep it sharp. You'll be amazed at how often you use it.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)Good quality, too.
I've encountered some plastic so hard and thick surrounding a product (usually something like electronics) that they barely get the job done and you barely escape injury.
MineralMan
(146,324 posts)whether the knife is sharp. Never use the point to cut plastic packaging. Use the very sharp edge to cut a corner of a raised area, then slice the plastic around the product, always cutting away from youself. Zip, it's open.
A dull knife is dangerous. A sharp knife is a valuable tool. Opening packaging is a natural job for a sharp knife.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)And trust me, it isn't exactly that easy. I sharpen my knives at a 17° angle progressively (when I first obtain one) from 300 grit, to 600 grit, to 1200 grit and finish with a 2400 grit.
I don't stroll around with poor quality or poor edged pocket knives, so your information is not helpful.
Now if *I* (at 42) have issues getting into packaging being able to harness that type of equipment, how hard do you think it is for someone without it, or people with arthritis?
Answer - heading into cutting the shit out of themselves territory.
It is a very valid gripe.
MineralMan
(146,324 posts)None. I just slice it open and get on with my day. Haven't cut myself for years. They use that packaging for advertising, shipping protection and theft prevention. It's very effective for all three. Now ask me about Styrofoam molded blocks. It can't be recycled, takes up enormous space and is unnecessary, since molded paper pulp packaging works as well and is completely recyclable.
MineralMan
(146,324 posts)None. I just slice it open and get on with my day. Haven't cut myself for years. They use that packaging for advertising, shipping protection and theft prevention. It's very effective for all three. Now ask me about Styrofoam molded blocks. It can't be recycled, takes up enormous space and is unnecessary, since molded paper pulp packaging works as well and is completely recyclable.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)That styrofoam is totally unnecessary.
Thespian2
(2,741 posts)The "great" thing about the hard plastic is...it will finish biodegrading a few seconds before the earth dies.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)probably still be a cockroach sitting under a kudzu vine, blissfully unaware.
Thespian2
(2,741 posts)Curmudgeoness
(18,219 posts)why we continue to buy these things. We should be protesting this by not buying things we will not be able to get into.
BTW, those cheap product catalogs sell a special tool to use to open this packaging. I don't know if it works, but it says something about a society that requires a special tool to open things we buy.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)That was my point. If I have to buy a product to get into the product I just bought, something is not right here.
And is that opener tool contained in the same hellish plasto vaulted nightmare?
Curmudgeoness
(18,219 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)And companies package shit in ways that will harm someone who tries to tear open the package in a hurry, because often people try to tear open packages in a hurry to steal those things.
I'm not saying it's right or wrong, but that's why.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)between security and usability - I get that. But when something requires special tools to get into the thing you just bought, you can potentially injure yourself while opening it, and this seems A-Ok, something isn't right.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)I've actually come close to needing stitches from some of that crap.
jmowreader
(50,562 posts)How well it works we may never know. I used to sell those damn things. They came in clamshell packaging.
Curmudgeoness
(18,219 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)Could have predicted that from a mile away
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)had a great episode about this.
Skittles
(153,174 posts)awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)but he went to buy an exacto knife for the job and it was clamshelled, too. Jeff got in a wreck because his wife was giving fellatio, Larry sees the wreck, goes to get the knife to cut the seatbelt and discovers he can't open it.
MicaelS
(8,747 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Not sure what you're supposed to open that with, though.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)expensive than the product contained within. And most of it requires a small nuclear device to frack the seal open.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)field that designs this crap, and people employ calculus to mold the plastic in the most "secure" and inconvenient way possible to keep down storage space.
If you had a reason to hate math, well, here's another one - what they do with it in volume calculations!
NBachers
(17,133 posts)Fortunately, my fingers survived the experience.
I'll take those microscopic directions tissues and put them in my scanner; then blow 'em up on the computer screen.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)that we have to go through such gyrations to get into the thing we paid for! I can get into a tin can with a pocket knife more easily!
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)If you can open one of those "finger traps" as you call them without uttering something completely explicit and unacceptable in polite company, clearly you are unable to speak at all.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)English and profanity. And, profanity has the edge when dealing or talking about recalcitrant computers, bubble wrap, Republicans and most other politicians.
pansypoo53219
(20,987 posts)pretty & nice and WHY are we doing this shit? ok. child proof i get. but the little pill tins, we found a LOVELY chartreuse plastic nylons box i think. a perm box. aluminum. the little tubes. cello tape tins. type writer ribbon tins. put band winds in OLD METAL BOXES instead of flimsy paper boxes..
Aerows
(39,961 posts)Packaging used to be something that enticed you to buy something. Now it makes you grimace and wonder how the hell you will get what you bought out of there.
Novara
(5,849 posts)But it makes me want to blow up the whole store.
Box cutters don't work. These damn things laugh at scissors. Sharp knife? Amateur.
Wrap Rage. I has it.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)Theft prevention, but the rate at which you want to commit arson goes up LOL!
With all the miracles of modern technology, they still can't make a package that's openable without power tools.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)If I need a $20 tool to open a $5 purchase and risk substantial harm if said tool slips, you are doing it wrong. Hell, I can open a can with a pocket knife can opener (Wenger and Victorinox !), and that's pretty much a lost art.
Dark n Stormy Knight
(9,771 posts)Amazon does some "frustration-free" packaging. If i knew anything about organizing I'd start a movement to get them to increase that effort thousandfold.
I understand (to a degree) the marketing value of a pretty package and the anti-shoplifting reasons for some of that packaging, but I don't need that on Amazon. There is no threat of shoplifting, and I can see the pretty packaging on the site, you don't need it to be shipped to you.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)to seal a $5 SD card in a plastic bunker?
Dark n Stormy Knight
(9,771 posts)Also, some people like that crap. When I worked as a clerk in a convenience store, it always amazed me that people insisted on a bag to carry out one item they'd just purchased. The best I could figure is that they just felt they wanted all that was coming to them. (Also, some people make use of the bags, but not most, I'd guess.)
If stores were more willing to hire staff, they could have clerks retrieve those things from secure locations, but I think most customers don't want to deal with that. They'd rather risk a knife wound from trying to open the package.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)for even more reasons than the significant damage to the environment!