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NoJusticeNoPeace

(5,018 posts)
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 12:44 PM Apr 2015

It is working, the "I havent read it all but all this stuff makes her look bad"

Caller on Stephanie, admits he really doesn't know shit but is against Hillary now because of all the allegations

It is working


Our work is cut out for us, EVERY god damn time someone says anything remotely close to this, they need to be, let's call it ADDRESSED, and informed and if they insist that oh there is just too much going against Hillary, then they need to be educated and if they keep doing it, exposed for someone who has an agenda.


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It is working, the "I havent read it all but all this stuff makes her look bad" (Original Post) NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 OP
Yep, they are counting on the uneducated voter just taking this stuff at face value. nt okaawhatever Apr 2015 #1
And this is nothing, there will unsubstantiated allegations one after another NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #2
Agreed. There are so many trolls on DU now. Many of them have kept their head down and racked up okaawhatever Apr 2015 #5
Let's hope that caller reads your OP Capt. Obvious Apr 2015 #3
Obviously DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #13
Should I add this member to my ignore list? Capt. Obvious Apr 2015 #16
True. I may miss out on some epic meltdown if I do. Capt. Obvious Apr 2015 #22
Oh tell me about it. I expect another good one before the night is out. Capt. Obvious Apr 2015 #25
I have a hunch that we will Capt. Obvious Apr 2015 #27
Ummm, hello? 2naSalit Apr 2015 #33
Maybe he's a boxer. pintobean Apr 2015 #37
... 2naSalit Apr 2015 #41
He thinks he's funny. Bobbie Jo Apr 2015 #39
Do you have to be a paid member to use the ignore feature? NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #4
Strange. I'm of exactly the opposite type rock Apr 2015 #6
I think that the point is that you research - the average voter does not. jwirr Apr 2015 #15
Then their only choice is to trust the politician rock Apr 2015 #20
Neither do I but unfortunately it is a fact. Many do not know how to research and many (those with jwirr Apr 2015 #23
Hillary Clinton would have more progressive defenders these days if people truedelphi Apr 2015 #7
Really? So faced with Cruz or Walker or Bush as the alternative AND with this resume NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #9
So why is it that we are faced not with electing candidates inside an truedelphi Apr 2015 #32
Excellent summary ^^^^ Novara Apr 2015 #35
She also got 100% from ARA for protecting Social Security. JaneyVee Apr 2015 #44
Yes. This really sums it up for me. Bill was 'the best Republican president closeupready Apr 2015 #18
But for all that verbiage you never actually discuss Hillary's actual record on trade deals. Bluenorthwest Apr 2015 #45
So then don't respect my spluttering. truedelphi Apr 2015 #46
So it has been for a long time. Orsino Apr 2015 #8
"They have a myriad of tiny thumbs on the scale." Scurrilous Apr 2015 #43
I'm sure some have an agenda. pintobean Apr 2015 #10
That's up to you. I won't. pintobean Apr 2015 #19
That's coming sooner, rather than later. pintobean Apr 2015 #24
It's a shame we won't be seen seeing it pintobean Apr 2015 #26
Oh goodie, more use for my new found "ignore" button NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #11
Are you ignoring yourself? pintobean Apr 2015 #14
Surrogates have to be employed to hit back... Human101948 Apr 2015 #12
But how? Remember Kerry - he was a Veitnam vet and the MSM murdered his reputation regardless jwirr Apr 2015 #21
His mistake was to think that nobody would believe the smear... Human101948 Apr 2015 #28
That was part of it. But too many people believe anything they hear. At least Hillary had come out jwirr Apr 2015 #30
It is up to the candidate to handle all the shit flung and frame her candidacy. morningfog Apr 2015 #17
She's managed it just fine. MoonRiver Apr 2015 #34
Double hit...boy, like an art around here. NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #36
The Democrats should fight back at the media and their friends on the right RandiFan1290 Apr 2015 #29
For three days now, this is all I've heard from my conservative ghostsinthemachine Apr 2015 #31
I think a fox viewer is lost, braindead, incapable of doing the right thing, but that middle NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #38
I think any TV news watcher is brain dead ghostsinthemachine Apr 2015 #40
could be a du-er Romeo.lima333 Apr 2015 #42

NoJusticeNoPeace

(5,018 posts)
2. And this is nothing, there will unsubstantiated allegations one after another
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 12:47 PM
Apr 2015

I will be copy and pasting this often:

"Why is the right willing to spend over one billion dollars, endless time, and make up lies, write books full of lies, to defeat someone who is suppose to be republican lite?"



As to the allegations we see ALL the fucking time here and elsewhere.

okaawhatever

(9,462 posts)
5. Agreed. There are so many trolls on DU now. Many of them have kept their head down and racked up
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 12:50 PM
Apr 2015

a decent number of posts. You can still tell their agenda.

rock

(13,218 posts)
6. Strange. I'm of exactly the opposite type
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 12:55 PM
Apr 2015

For every claim that I research and find to be garbage, I'm much less inclined to believe the next claim and more inclined to believe that the noise machine is at it again.

rock

(13,218 posts)
20. Then their only choice is to trust the politician
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 01:09 PM
Apr 2015

And if I may quote Owen from Jurassic World, "I don't think that's a good idea."

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
23. Neither do I but unfortunately it is a fact. Many do not know how to research and many (those with
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 01:14 PM
Apr 2015

two jobs) do not have time. And those are only a few of the reasons why someone may not do the research.

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
7. Hillary Clinton would have more progressive defenders these days if people
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 12:56 PM
Apr 2015

had not woken up to the fact that she and Bill were not really working for the middle class.

Bill Clinton got away with many things that wouldn't fly these days. It was his great luck that during his two terms, the internet was not yet developed to the point where people could read about what was really going on.

Ross Perot's critiques of NAFTA turned out to be right. Yet it was Clinton, not some neo con Republican who got the measure passed. Sad to realize that Ms Clinton wants the TPP, and she lies through her teeth about how good it will be for the American worker.

It was Ms Clinton's State Department that put through the initial requests for the Keystone XL Pipeline, and she only came out against said pipeline when she knew that the Republicans would be controlling the house and that she didn't need to openly support it as the Republicans would do that for her.

NoJusticeNoPeace

(5,018 posts)
9. Really? So faced with Cruz or Walker or Bush as the alternative AND with this resume
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 12:59 PM
Apr 2015

A selection of interest group ratings of Hillary Clinton's Senate record [View all]

Abortion and Reproductive Rights
2008 Planned Parenthood Action Fund - Positions 100%
2007-2008 National Organization for Women - Positions: 100%
2007 NARAL Pro-Choice America - Positions 100%
2007 Population Connection - Positions on Population Stabilization 100%
2006 NARAL Pro-Choice America - Positions 100%
2006 Planned Parenthood Action Fund - Positions 100%
2006 Population Connection - Positions 100%
2005-2006 National Family Planning & Reproductive Health Association - Positions 93%
2005-2006 National Organization for Women - Positions 96%
2005-2006 Population Action International - Positions on Reproductive Health 100%
2005 NARAL Pro-Choice America - Positions 100%
2005 National Organization for Women - Positions 100%
2005 Population Connection - Positions 100%
2005 The Population Institute - Positions 100%
2004 NARAL Pro-Choice America - Positions 100%
2003-2004 Population Action International - Positions 100%
2003-2004 Population Connection - Positions 100%
2003 NARAL Pro-Choice America - Positions 100%
2003 Population Action International - Positions 100%
2003 Population Connection - Positions 100%
2003 The Population Institute - Positions 100%
2002 Population Connection - Positions 100%
2001 NARAL Pro-Choice America - Positions 100%
2001 Population Connection - Positions 100%
1996-2003 Planned Parenthood Action Fund - Positions 100%
1995-2004 National Family Planning & Reproductive Health Association - Positions 100%

Civil Liberties and Civil Rights
2007-2008 National Organization for Women - Positions 100%
2007-2008 Human Rights Campaign - Positions 95%
2005-2006 National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) - Positions 96%
2001-2002 People for the American Way - Positions 92%


Health and Health Care:
2008 American Public Health Association - Positions 100%
2008 National Association of Social Workers - Positions 100%
2008 Planned Parenthood Action Fund - Positions 100%
2007-2008 AIDS United - Positions 100%
2007-2008 American Hospital Association - Positions 100%

Labor:
2009 American Federation of Labor and Congress of Industrial Organizations (AFL-CIO) - Lifetime Score 94%
2008 American Federation of State, County & Municipal Employees (AFSCME) - Lifetime Score 98%
2008 American Federation of State, County & Municipal Employees (AFSCME) - Positions 100%

Liberal:
2006 Americans for Democratic Action - Positions 95%

Unemployed and Low-Income:
003-2004 Bread for the World - Positions 100%
2003-2004 The Partnership for the Homeless - Positions 100%
2002 American Family Voices - Positions 100%
2001-2002 Bread for the World - Positions 100%

More: http://votesmart.org/candidate/evaluations/55463/hillary-clinton#.VTlz_yHBzGd



One of the most liberal Senators IN HISTORY, she doesnt deserve our support?

wow

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
32. So why is it that we are faced not with electing candidates inside an
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 01:46 PM
Apr 2015

Atmosphere of democracy, but a STASI-style, ONE BIG MONEY PARTY SYSTEM?

How did we get from the point in which both candidates for President promoted policies that were protective of the middle class (Such as what we had during the days of Eisenhower and Kennedy) to what we have now?

Big difference between the Democratic and Republican candidates running for the top offices these days - in the case of voting for the "R"'s you will have to eat two shit sandwiches a day, while if you vote for the "D"'s you only have to eat one shit sandwich a day... Is this democracy?

And your definition of liberal and my definition must be vastly different.

She worked for Sam Walton, during the 1980s, as his personal attorney, while Walmart destroyed mom and pop businesses all across America.

She stood with her husband on the pro-NAFTA platform.

She is pro-endless wars, pro-Monsanto, pro Wall Street, and pro-Super Surveillance State.

She is pro-TPP. She is also for keeping marijuana in the hands of industry.


Novara

(5,843 posts)
35. Excellent summary ^^^^
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 01:50 PM
Apr 2015

However, everybody loves to sit in their little bubble and they no longer challenge themselves once their mind is made up. Critical thinking is a lost art. This is why we need to nip shitty narratives in the bud as soon as they occur and we need to set our own narrative. Stuff like this post ^^^^ should get wide distribution. I'll do my part by spreading it on social media.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
18. Yes. This really sums it up for me. Bill was 'the best Republican president
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 01:08 PM
Apr 2015

we ever had', say many in the GOP. A quip, perhaps, but as Shakespeare wrote, many a truth is said in jest.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
45. But for all that verbiage you never actually discuss Hillary's actual record on trade deals.
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 02:48 PM
Apr 2015

Which seems like something that might come up at least occasionally. You take the time with NAFTA, her husband's work, TPP, Obama's work which she has yet to endorse or reject, but not a mention of her Senate votes, not even the bad ones, but certainly not the good ones and obviously not the full picture.

When someone sputters stridently but leaves out the important facts, I do not fee respected by their sputtering.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
8. So it has been for a long time.
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 12:59 PM
Apr 2015

The limitless resources arrayed against another Clinton presidency don't need to persuade everybody of anything.

They peel off a few voters here, and keep a few more from straying over there. They have a myriad of tiny thumbs on the scale.

 

Human101948

(3,457 posts)
12. Surrogates have to be employed to hit back...
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 01:01 PM
Apr 2015

Every time a false story is trumpeted, the author of that story has to be attacked, accused of various crimes and generally smeared (though telling the truth is not a smear), to turn the story around to be about them and their motives and connections and who is writing their paychecks

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
21. But how? Remember Kerry - he was a Veitnam vet and the MSM murdered his reputation regardless
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 01:11 PM
Apr 2015

of the truth. Once a scandal is picked up by the MSM it is hard to educate the voters.

 

Human101948

(3,457 posts)
28. His mistake was to think that nobody would believe the smear...
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 01:38 PM
Apr 2015

He didn't have anybody attacking the assholes who were behind the Swift Boat bullshit.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
30. That was part of it. But too many people believe anything they hear. At least Hillary had come out
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 01:40 PM
Apr 2015

immediately to respond. That may help her depending on the spin that the MSM gives it.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
17. It is up to the candidate to handle all the shit flung and frame her candidacy.
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 01:07 PM
Apr 2015

Let's hope she knows how to manage it better than she has thus far.

NoJusticeNoPeace

(5,018 posts)
36. Double hit...boy, like an art around here.
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 01:59 PM
Apr 2015


So 13 months ago someone you know gave you $5 and I know someone who says you illegally bought a vicodin pill with it, i cant prove it but it is what i heard

how do you defend yourself from that?

should she do what kerry did about his war record, nothing?

ghostsinthemachine

(3,569 posts)
31. For three days now, this is all I've heard from my conservative
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 01:44 PM
Apr 2015

friends.

I tell them to look at this and that, articles debunking the article itself or the author's history and they all just ignore it. "Mediamatters" they are biased". Kos same thing. Not gonna learn what you don't wanna know...... FOX said it and that is all they know. NONE of them read one word of it but they know it is making her look bad.

NoJusticeNoPeace

(5,018 posts)
38. I think a fox viewer is lost, braindead, incapable of doing the right thing, but that middle
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 02:02 PM
Apr 2015

where information is scarce and they react to 30 second blurbs they hear on the news, this is who these lies are targeted to.

Here at DU my goal was to work with others to maybe try and work against it, first it seems we have to deal with members here who believe this shit and spread it.

Clinton hate is kinda like Obama hate.

ghostsinthemachine

(3,569 posts)
40. I think any TV news watcher is brain dead
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 02:19 PM
Apr 2015

Not just FOX, even though they are the worst, but you don't see anyone debunking it, jsut reporting on it. All the same thing.

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