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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIt is working, the "I havent read it all but all this stuff makes her look bad"
Caller on Stephanie, admits he really doesn't know shit but is against Hillary now because of all the allegations
It is working
Our work is cut out for us, EVERY god damn time someone says anything remotely close to this, they need to be, let's call it ADDRESSED, and informed and if they insist that oh there is just too much going against Hillary, then they need to be educated and if they keep doing it, exposed for someone who has an agenda.
okaawhatever
(9,462 posts)NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)I will be copy and pasting this often:
"Why is the right willing to spend over one billion dollars, endless time, and make up lies, write books full of lies, to defeat someone who is suppose to be republican lite?"
As to the allegations we see ALL the fucking time here and elsewhere.
okaawhatever
(9,462 posts)a decent number of posts. You can still tell their agenda.
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)NT
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)2naSalit
(86,647 posts)You do realize you're having a conversation with yourself, right?
pintobean
(18,101 posts)Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)my guess...
NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)oh, no, you dont have to
awesome
check
rock
(13,218 posts)For every claim that I research and find to be garbage, I'm much less inclined to believe the next claim and more inclined to believe that the noise machine is at it again.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)rock
(13,218 posts)And if I may quote Owen from Jurassic World, "I don't think that's a good idea."
jwirr
(39,215 posts)two jobs) do not have time. And those are only a few of the reasons why someone may not do the research.
truedelphi
(32,324 posts)had not woken up to the fact that she and Bill were not really working for the middle class.
Bill Clinton got away with many things that wouldn't fly these days. It was his great luck that during his two terms, the internet was not yet developed to the point where people could read about what was really going on.
Ross Perot's critiques of NAFTA turned out to be right. Yet it was Clinton, not some neo con Republican who got the measure passed. Sad to realize that Ms Clinton wants the TPP, and she lies through her teeth about how good it will be for the American worker.
It was Ms Clinton's State Department that put through the initial requests for the Keystone XL Pipeline, and she only came out against said pipeline when she knew that the Republicans would be controlling the house and that she didn't need to openly support it as the Republicans would do that for her.
NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)A selection of interest group ratings of Hillary Clinton's Senate record [View all]
Abortion and Reproductive Rights
2008 Planned Parenthood Action Fund - Positions 100%
2007-2008 National Organization for Women - Positions: 100%
2007 NARAL Pro-Choice America - Positions 100%
2007 Population Connection - Positions on Population Stabilization 100%
2006 NARAL Pro-Choice America - Positions 100%
2006 Planned Parenthood Action Fund - Positions 100%
2006 Population Connection - Positions 100%
2005-2006 National Family Planning & Reproductive Health Association - Positions 93%
2005-2006 National Organization for Women - Positions 96%
2005-2006 Population Action International - Positions on Reproductive Health 100%
2005 NARAL Pro-Choice America - Positions 100%
2005 National Organization for Women - Positions 100%
2005 Population Connection - Positions 100%
2005 The Population Institute - Positions 100%
2004 NARAL Pro-Choice America - Positions 100%
2003-2004 Population Action International - Positions 100%
2003-2004 Population Connection - Positions 100%
2003 NARAL Pro-Choice America - Positions 100%
2003 Population Action International - Positions 100%
2003 Population Connection - Positions 100%
2003 The Population Institute - Positions 100%
2002 Population Connection - Positions 100%
2001 NARAL Pro-Choice America - Positions 100%
2001 Population Connection - Positions 100%
1996-2003 Planned Parenthood Action Fund - Positions 100%
1995-2004 National Family Planning & Reproductive Health Association - Positions 100%
Civil Liberties and Civil Rights
2007-2008 National Organization for Women - Positions 100%
2007-2008 Human Rights Campaign - Positions 95%
2005-2006 National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) - Positions 96%
2001-2002 People for the American Way - Positions 92%
Health and Health Care:
2008 American Public Health Association - Positions 100%
2008 National Association of Social Workers - Positions 100%
2008 Planned Parenthood Action Fund - Positions 100%
2007-2008 AIDS United - Positions 100%
2007-2008 American Hospital Association - Positions 100%
Labor:
2009 American Federation of Labor and Congress of Industrial Organizations (AFL-CIO) - Lifetime Score 94%
2008 American Federation of State, County & Municipal Employees (AFSCME) - Lifetime Score 98%
2008 American Federation of State, County & Municipal Employees (AFSCME) - Positions 100%
Liberal:
2006 Americans for Democratic Action - Positions 95%
Unemployed and Low-Income:
003-2004 Bread for the World - Positions 100%
2003-2004 The Partnership for the Homeless - Positions 100%
2002 American Family Voices - Positions 100%
2001-2002 Bread for the World - Positions 100%
More: http://votesmart.org/candidate/evaluations/55463/hillary-clinton#.VTlz_yHBzGd
One of the most liberal Senators IN HISTORY, she doesnt deserve our support?
wow
truedelphi
(32,324 posts)Atmosphere of democracy, but a STASI-style, ONE BIG MONEY PARTY SYSTEM?
How did we get from the point in which both candidates for President promoted policies that were protective of the middle class (Such as what we had during the days of Eisenhower and Kennedy) to what we have now?
Big difference between the Democratic and Republican candidates running for the top offices these days - in the case of voting for the "R"'s you will have to eat two shit sandwiches a day, while if you vote for the "D"'s you only have to eat one shit sandwich a day... Is this democracy?
And your definition of liberal and my definition must be vastly different.
She worked for Sam Walton, during the 1980s, as his personal attorney, while Walmart destroyed mom and pop businesses all across America.
She stood with her husband on the pro-NAFTA platform.
She is pro-endless wars, pro-Monsanto, pro Wall Street, and pro-Super Surveillance State.
She is pro-TPP. She is also for keeping marijuana in the hands of industry.
Novara
(5,843 posts)However, everybody loves to sit in their little bubble and they no longer challenge themselves once their mind is made up. Critical thinking is a lost art. This is why we need to nip shitty narratives in the bud as soon as they occur and we need to set our own narrative. Stuff like this post ^^^^ should get wide distribution. I'll do my part by spreading it on social media.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)closeupready
(29,503 posts)we ever had', say many in the GOP. A quip, perhaps, but as Shakespeare wrote, many a truth is said in jest.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Which seems like something that might come up at least occasionally. You take the time with NAFTA, her husband's work, TPP, Obama's work which she has yet to endorse or reject, but not a mention of her Senate votes, not even the bad ones, but certainly not the good ones and obviously not the full picture.
When someone sputters stridently but leaves out the important facts, I do not fee respected by their sputtering.
truedelphi
(32,324 posts)It is hardly like my life depends on your accepting my views.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)The limitless resources arrayed against another Clinton presidency don't need to persuade everybody of anything.
They peel off a few voters here, and keep a few more from straying over there. They have a myriad of tiny thumbs on the scale.
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)Nicely put.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)pintobean
(18,101 posts)pintobean
(18,101 posts)It's getting hotter every day.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)Maybe.
NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)pintobean
(18,101 posts)You keep replying to yourself about ignore.
Human101948
(3,457 posts)Every time a false story is trumpeted, the author of that story has to be attacked, accused of various crimes and generally smeared (though telling the truth is not a smear), to turn the story around to be about them and their motives and connections and who is writing their paychecks
jwirr
(39,215 posts)of the truth. Once a scandal is picked up by the MSM it is hard to educate the voters.
Human101948
(3,457 posts)He didn't have anybody attacking the assholes who were behind the Swift Boat bullshit.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)immediately to respond. That may help her depending on the spin that the MSM gives it.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)Let's hope she knows how to manage it better than she has thus far.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)Polls indicate she has 80+% support from Democrats.
NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)So 13 months ago someone you know gave you $5 and I know someone who says you illegally bought a vicodin pill with it, i cant prove it but it is what i heard
how do you defend yourself from that?
should she do what kerry did about his war record, nothing?
RandiFan1290
(6,237 posts)Instead of being so subservient.
ghostsinthemachine
(3,569 posts)friends.
I tell them to look at this and that, articles debunking the article itself or the author's history and they all just ignore it. "Mediamatters" they are biased". Kos same thing. Not gonna learn what you don't wanna know...... FOX said it and that is all they know. NONE of them read one word of it but they know it is making her look bad.
NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)where information is scarce and they react to 30 second blurbs they hear on the news, this is who these lies are targeted to.
Here at DU my goal was to work with others to maybe try and work against it, first it seems we have to deal with members here who believe this shit and spread it.
Clinton hate is kinda like Obama hate.
ghostsinthemachine
(3,569 posts)Not just FOX, even though they are the worst, but you don't see anyone debunking it, jsut reporting on it. All the same thing.