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alp227

(32,034 posts)
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 06:03 PM Apr 2015

Emma Sulkowicz disgusts me.

I wanted to believe her, after seeing her tell her story on Democracy Now back in September. Unfortunately, certain details in the lawsuit filed by Paul Nungesser, the man she accused of rape put her story in question. This detail in particular seems to assert she made her accusations out of revenge:

As is evident from Emma’s Facebook messages to Paul during the summer prior to their sophomore year, Emma’s yearning for Paul had become very intense. Emma repeatedly messaged Paul throughout that summerthat she loved and missed him. She was quick to inquire whether he was in love with the woman he was seeing abroad.

Thereafter, she continued purusing him, reiterating that she loved him. However, when Paul did not reciporcate these intense feelings, and instead showed interest in dating other women, Emma became viciously angry.


And this detail shows that Sulkowicz had the intentions of outing him - ADP is a frat:

In April 2013, days after the Emma investigation had begun, Emma orchestrated that the President of ADP would notify its alumni board and several members that an alleged rapist was living at ADP. This notification occurred.

On December 3, 2013, only a few days after Emma’s appeal had been rejected, Paul was ambushed in front of his dorm by reporters from the New York Post and followed by a paparazzo on his way to class. At that time, Emma was already being advised by a publicist and/or a lawyer with great media expertise, something she had threatened in her appeal letter in November 2013. Columbia was put on notice by Paul’s parents’ mail to president Bollinger, even before the article was published The article in the New York Post made clear that all three ccusers had spoken to the author Tara Palmeri and identified Paul to the reporters. This clear breach of confidentiality had no consequences for the accusers.

There were also no consequences for the next breaches of confidentiality. Starting at the latest in December 2013, Emma forwarded confidential information, including Paul's name, to Anna Bahr, a student reporter and activist, whose subsequent article appeared on January 23, 2014. This article did not include Paul's name, but did make him identifiable to most of his peers on campus.


And:

In May 2014, a so-called rapist-list appeared in several Columbia bathrooms, listing Jean-Paul Nungesser as a serial rapist. Fliers with the same list were circulated at several Columbia student events. Paul was never notified about these events by Columbia administrators.


Let me say this: I oppose misogyny and rape culture and want rapists to be punished to the fullest extent to the law. That said, it seems that this Sulkowicz is using the cause to combat campus rape not to advance the cause, but rather make shit up to pursue a personal vendetta. I'm sorry if I burst some people's bubbles, but I have to say it.

And let me apologize in advance for saying this too, for committing the moral equivalence fallacy: Sulkowicz has the ethics and morality of the rapists she publicly says she detests.

People like Sulkowicz or Sabrina Erdely (the author of the "Rape on Campus" hoax article) are disgusting. They turn off a LOT of potential supporters and confirm many people's anti-feminist prejudices. The quest for heroes only turn out disappointments and setbacks.

And it's easy to say "Sulkowicz has free speech rights" without considering she may be defaming Paul Nungesser. Think about it, if everyone wore a T-shirt saying &quot your name) RAPES CHILDREN". Do people not have the right to live a life free of harassment and defamation?
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hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
2. A quick procedural point from an attorney.
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 06:40 PM
Apr 2015

If an attorney knowingly make false factual assertions (as opposed to debatable legal assertions about what the facts mean) in a civil complaint, your ass can be in very, very deep trouble. Dismissal of case, court costs and other financial sanctions, bar discipline and contempt of court kind of world of hurt. The lawyer is held responsible for the truth of the facts as asserted in a complaint and no lawyer is gonna go out on a thin limb just for the sake of doing it. The consequences can be quite severe, as noted.

Which is one reason Columbia would be well advised to settle generously with Nungesser and make a public apology to him.

alp227

(32,034 posts)
3. And I'm not a lawyer but know what the word "discovery" means.
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 08:42 PM
Apr 2015

What's said in the complaint backs Columbia into a corner. So by now there's pretty much no choice but a "hush money" settlement.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
4. Indeed.
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 08:45 PM
Apr 2015

Write the large check, issue the formal public apology. That's the only chance of keeping a lot of skeletons safely locked away.

NaturalHigh

(12,778 posts)
5. You think that's what will happen?
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 08:56 PM
Apr 2015

I would like to think so, but I somehow feel they're going to double down on this one.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
6. Institutionally, the sooner this lawsuit goes away the better.
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 09:02 PM
Apr 2015

If it survives a 12(b)5 motion, it will be settled quickly, and I think it will.

alp227

(32,034 posts)
7. In the perspective of public image, the university would think settling would create chilling effect
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 09:26 PM
Apr 2015

for rape victims who now have precedent for fearing legal retaliation from their rapists. You seem to be right.

Monk06

(7,675 posts)
8. I hope Nungesser wins and the money comes out of the Visual Arts budget. Also Jon Kessler should
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 04:03 AM
Apr 2015

be fired for misconduct. I wouldn't be surprised if he has a few skeletons in his closet given he is a creature of the 70s New York art scene.

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