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gollygee

(22,336 posts) Fri Apr 24, 2015, 07:01 PM Apr 2015

Maybe Obama really thinks the TPP is good for America

I don't like the sound of the TPP, but I'm not frothing at the mouth assuming President Obama hates America or isn't a real Democrat or is the worst president ever. He probably actually feels like it will make things better for the US. I am a product of the formerly industrial Midwest who saw too many jobs go away after NAFTA, so I don't feel comfortable with any thing related to "free trade." But I know he cares about this country and is pushing for what he thinks is best. He wouldn't fight for something he thought would hurt the 99% for the benefit of the 1%. He thinks it will do one thing, and I (and I know a lot of you) think it will do something else. That doesn't mean he's evil and hates America.

I think people are turning this into something personal against him rather than a disagreement over policy.

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Maybe Obama really thinks the TPP is good for America (Original Post) gollygee Apr 2015 OP

Yes, I think what he meant by taking it personally treestar Apr 2015 #1

It's possible but then, it seems suspect that name calling has begun, when its on your Own side AuntPatsy Apr 2015 #2

I think you are right Andy823 Apr 2015 #3

Indeed Cali_Democrat Apr 2015 #4

The road to hell is paved with good intentions. nt Xipe Totec Apr 2015 #5

You're probably right -- I don't believe he wants to hurt the US at all. But: Buns_of_Fire Apr 2015 #6

Remember how they said he wouldn't support gay marriage, would give up on healthcare FSogol Apr 2015 #7

It's like our side's version of gollygee Apr 2015 #9

No doubt in my mind. DCBob Apr 2015 #8

(President Obama signed a Free Trade Deal SamKnause Apr 2015 #10

Maybe he knows a trade agreement is going to happen flying rabbit Apr 2015 #11

Corporations think no nions is good for America. rug Apr 2015 #12

These trade deals have literally destroyed America. In some ways it is personal. Cheese Sandwich Apr 2015 #13

treestar

(82,383 posts)

1. Yes, I think what he meant by taking it personally

Reply to gollygee (Original post)

Fri Apr 24, 2015, 07:04 PM

Apr 2015

was just that - accusation that he did not care about the middle class. That is wrong.

Some people always have to be right, so if they don't agree with you, they think that you are lacking in character and intend malice. You don't merely disagree that the TPP will hurt the US, you must WANT to hurt the US, because the fact that TPP will hurt the USS has become such a strong opinion of theirs that they think it's a fact.

AuntPatsy

(9,904 posts)

2. It's possible but then, it seems suspect that name calling has begun, when its on your Own side

Reply to gollygee (Original post)

Fri Apr 24, 2015, 07:06 PM

Apr 2015

There's a problem hidden there somewhere,

Andy823

(11,495 posts)

3. I think you are right

Reply to gollygee (Original post)

Fri Apr 24, 2015, 07:06 PM

Apr 2015

"I think people are turning this into something personal against him rather than a disagreement over policy."

I also think that this has been going on for years here on DU, by the same group that not only have gone after Obama in a very negative way, but also go after the party as a whole, and let's not forget how much they "love" going after Hillary!

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)

4. Indeed

Reply to gollygee (Original post)

Fri Apr 24, 2015, 07:07 PM

Apr 2015

And those folks making this personal will fail, miserably.

They have failed up to this point and will continue to fail in the future.

Xipe Totec

(43,890 posts)

5. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. nt

Reply to gollygee (Original post)

Fri Apr 24, 2015, 07:10 PM

Apr 2015

Buns_of_Fire

(17,183 posts)

6. You're probably right -- I don't believe he wants to hurt the US at all. But:

Reply to gollygee (Original post)

Fri Apr 24, 2015, 07:12 PM

Apr 2015

1) He seems to listen only to the retread advisers he appointed.

2) At this point in his second term, he's looking towards his "legacy" -- and I have a feeling that he considers this as big a deal (if not bigger) than the ACA. Parents get very protective of their children.

FSogol

(45,490 posts)

7. Remember how they said he wouldn't support gay marriage, would give up on healthcare

Reply to gollygee (Original post)

Fri Apr 24, 2015, 07:17 PM

Apr 2015

reform, would destroy social security, and would support the Keystone XL pipeline?

Isn't this starting to sound familiar?

gollygee

(22,336 posts)

9. It's like our side's version of

Reply to FSogol (Reply #7)

Fri Apr 24, 2015, 07:20 PM

Apr 2015

"He's going to take away our guns and turn the US into a Muslim country."

I hope the TPP doesn't pass, but I am curious about why he's such a big fan of it. I hope more details come out. The words "free" and "trade" are scary to me when used together.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)

8. No doubt in my mind.

Reply to gollygee (Original post)

Fri Apr 24, 2015, 07:20 PM

Apr 2015

And I suspect he is correct.. as usual.

SamKnause

(13,108 posts)

10. (President Obama signed a Free Trade Deal

Reply to gollygee (Original post)

Fri Apr 24, 2015, 08:48 PM

Apr 2015

with South Korea in October 2011.

Between 2011 and 2014 the U.S. lost 60,000 jobs to South Korea.

The trade deficit with South Korea has increased 8.7 Billion dollars.)

Source: The Economic Policy Institute.

At the same time he also signed a Free Trade Deal with Colombia.

There are more labor activists killed in Colombia than any other country.

Why should we continue to believe him ???

Sherrod Brown, Alan Grayson, and Bernie Sanders have discussed these trade

deals and the millions of jobs lost because of NAFTA and CAFTA.

P.S. Some sources place the job loss at 75,000.

flying rabbit

(4,636 posts)

11. Maybe he knows a trade agreement is going to happen

Reply to gollygee (Original post)

Fri Apr 24, 2015, 08:51 PM

Apr 2015

no matter who is in office, and he figures it would be better under him than, say, Walker.

rug

(82,333 posts)

12. Corporations think no nions is good for America.

Reply to gollygee (Original post)

Fri Apr 24, 2015, 08:53 PM

Apr 2015

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)

13. These trade deals have literally destroyed America. In some ways it is personal.

Reply to gollygee (Original post)

Fri Apr 24, 2015, 09:06 PM

Apr 2015

NAFTA, WTO, China trade... these have destroyed lives, broken apart families, left our people injured, scarred and traumatized.

It's more than just a small difference of opinion.

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