They're just trying to manage it.

making the transition as easy as possible.

We've been played on trade by "our own" for decades.

Dissent=Heresy

history of NAFTA and the combined consensus of economic experts who have analyzed the outcome, not self-interested politicians looking for an edge.

I am not an economist, but.........I know someone who knows one or two.

I trust him to be better for the human race by a factor of ten million than ANY con, but I dont trust them.

George Carlin taught me that I cant....I believe him

I sure the fuck don't trust any Republican on trade issues--they're all whores for the 1%.

WTF did they ever do for the 99% (in this century)?

Then we will see between 3million and 6million new jobs. 40% of those will be manufacturing jobs.

Name even one trade deal of the last 20 years that has lead to job growth here.

but by not signing into it we are left with no jobs other than the jobs that service each other.

we have no will to do the right thing, tariffs

so what is left?

to set the rules, we will be left with nothing.

lets discuss reality, not what we want it to be

'Let's play dead, and maybe the bears will stop mauling us.'


Oh yeah, there's no question that they call the shoots. The only question is 'are you OK with that?'

You sound like deeply afraid that if we don't get into these scams we'll be like sentenced to the Phantom Zone or something and forget that we lose on the net everytime. You can try to cherry pick but the picture is bleak overall because it is a scam all about cheap labor, evil machinations to steal land and water, and exploitation, control of resources, and neoslavery where instead of chattel we are reduced further to more like rented mule.

I also can't wrap my head around the weird split perspective that that believe that the fuckers that always screw us over and the cause of much that is wrong with the world on the same screw job agenda, using the same arguments in no small part this time are right because they are joined by a Democratic President (like that has never happened) so somehow this time it will be awesome.

How, when, why, who? We get platitudes and corporate mission statements with mouthing the words "environmental and labor protections" knowing good and well it is smoke and mirrors.

We already have nothing. That's why it's easy to just let them do whatever they choose.

returning to the US. The claim by the corps is that China is getting too expensive due to things like labor standard regulation. That is what TPP is trying to do. Make US goods competitive by making other markets play by the same rules.

The part where a group of lawyers get to decide whether a town here can enforce regs or whatever, that MUST be eliminated

but I bet you it wont be

a town or state or even the feds cant do something we can do now regulating a corp, that would be unacceptable to me

the USTR website). Here are two examples of why this is necessary, and why it doesn't affect the US:

1. China decided that fish from Oregon and Washington state were tainted and that the levels of something were too high (they weren't). It was basically China trying to extract some political favors. They are known to do that. Had the ship not been allowed to unload the fishermen in Oregon said they would have gone bankrupt. That affects small businesses, not just large ones.

2. Russia banned candy from Ukraine:

I see those who promote 'free markets' in DU as being less than honest about their decision to join a forum full of liberals and progressives ...

Sure - you can join ... but you are not going to feel the love ... not from me, at any rate ...

We need butts in the streets. They listen to the public, and there has been little for the public to know or discuss about this.

I found out about it from a Japanese newspaper article.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6552961

and that the people it's coming from aren't his supporters.

is yet more proof that many of them care about him than policies that affect the average person. Oh, lets not forget they can't be counted on to vote in any election he is not in so they aren't exactly the future of the democrats.

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it!"

His entire post-presidential life and financial future turns on his not "understanding" what everyone but the pukes, tenth-percenters and true believers understand all too well.

They understand, but they do not care. It is as simple as that. They know they have us by the short hairs and don't care whether we like it or not. They are doing what THEY want to do. We are only around to play along with the sham and pretend we believe we have a choice at all any more.

They just don't care. They're going to get it done.

because he believes he has been a "people" president and has done much for regular people (in spite of the R Congress).

He feels that we don't trust him when all he thinks of is to make life better for the middle class and the poor. He feels betrayed.

or tpp. when i am looking ot be informed, dont give me lies.

then i stop with that source and have to look otherwise.

i think you need to identify the proper issue. i do not know how many people are actually supporting obama or tpp, rather than calling out the "secrecy" outrage

When they built American plants along the Mexican border, only to move them a few years later to cheaper labor in Asia.

location. 'Ideally you'd have every plant you own on a barge", Dec. 1999, GE CEO Jack Welch on globalization to Lou Dobbs on 'CNN Moneyweek'. General Electric was founded by American icon Thomas Edison.

http://www.alternet.org/story/9197/corporate_focus%3A_ge_exploits_cheap_labor

There is a theory:

https://www.boundless.com/sociology/textbooks/boundless-sociology-textbook/population-and-urbanization-17/population-growth-122/demographic-transition-theory-690-10230/

The theory discusses how industrialization changes population growth and decline.

Yes, it sucks that they've shipped good manufacturing jobs to Mexico and China, but this world has finite resources and when a poor country has a lot of large families, we have to witness millions of people suffering because of a lack of resources. Usually a shortage of food.

Young men and women that work long hours in sweat shops just to make enough to feed, cloth and house themselves do not plan for big families.

I don't believe for a minute that these trade agreements are put in place to create american jobs, I believe that they are put in place to control the population of pre-industrial countries by converting them to industrial nations. The reason our politicians don't tell us that this is what is going on is because we don't like it, but we like seeing starving folk on the TV even less.

We aren't going to return to being a nation of good manufacturing jobs... Period.

Robots have done considerably more to eliminate factory jobs than trade agreements and that's not likely to change.

As I've said before: what we need is a nationwide effort to create a good strong homeland with a huge effort toward 'food security'. Everybody has to eat and there are a lot of technologies than lend themselves to small travel time (and distance) for food. This is what we should invest in (as a nation). If more of us work at home, and sell our products locally, we don't need the manufacturing jobs. Manufacturing is where we came from, not where we need to go in order to have a sustainable food supply.

The problem with the TPP is that it enriches the already wealthy. Gives power to the already too powerful. The problem isn't the export of 'American manufacturing jobs' that part is inevitable. We have to put factory jobs in these countries to control their birth rates.

If the issue is that we are making the already wealthy even wealthier, we don't cut that short by stopping trade agreements, we raise taxes on the high earners. That's going to fix almost all of our problems. Destroying this trade agreement will not stop the export of american manufacturing jobs, raising taxes on the wealthy will at least balance the budget and create infrastructure jobs.

I don't think that the TPP is ''the problem' it's just another symptom.