Plus I thought the Repubs were for it even before the Dems came out against it.

So, probably.

But you get an "attaboy" anyway.

The number one instigator of this craziness, and you're telling me what makes sense and what doesn't?

You have raised the level of hysteria here to a fever pitch, and it's based on damned near nothing.

I have no idea if I will favor this agreement or not, but I sure as well will wait for the details. It's too late for you to back off -- you've gone all in -- but you need to step back from those who disagree with you.

This has nothing to do with whether you support, don't support or are withholding judgment on the tpp. I explain in another post in this thread, why this theory of yours is so completely without foundation, and you provide not a scrap of evidence for it.

You are being far less than honest in your claims about what I've posted on this subject. That is contemptible.

Can you make the same claim?

You may source your nonsense to people you respect, but it remains pure speculation. Beyond the secrecy issue, your objections to TPP are based on smoke.

And much of what I link to is not speculation. It's history, analysis, statistics, facts. You simply aren't well enough informed to grasp that.

... which are in real short supply, unlike the supply of wild speculation and conjured outrage.

And most have no link.
Just saying.
I see them everyday & do make note of the fact.

We are aware what your opinion is of Hillary Clinton.
You opine it everyday with no link, making it just that. Your opinion, clearly directed to the dream ticket of"currently no one" vs the Clown car Rw fascists.

I dismiss most of your posts as clearly biased.
But you are so welcome to continue opining as to the wish for Clinton's demise even if the latest news you devulge is straight out of the RW playbook.

It is pretty obvious.

Not a link in sight.
So don't self riteously post that you provide links cuz You do not always do so.
I have pointed that out to you several times.

Say the truth then.
Haa. Oh brother. P.U. is stepping in it deeply today.

I better IGNORE YOU now before you drag me into your useless pissin matches.
Been lovely.
Try giving us a link to your famous hard hitting daily opinion pieces .
Have fun.
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Couldn't respond to my proof. Color me shocked and bye bye.

You acting like a Scientologists and baiting people into an " I'm a sinner because I DON'T support Hillary " is getting tired .

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

having the fast track bill introduced?

Man, I can't stand RWrs, either party.

About that ...

I can't abide non-thinking regardless of the subject. The hive behavior at DU on this issue is somewhere between pathetic and laughable.

Which, using your own words, is precisely what you're doing with your little fiction.

Your op demonstrates that you abide it quite well as long as you're the one engaging in it. The op is wholly illogical and belied by an overwhelming amount of evidence, as well as common sense.

When you hear hoof beats think horses, not zebras.

For instance, NAFTA was opposed by a strong majority of House Democrats.

Republicans have a history of staunch support for ftas. There has never been any question about their support for the tpp. Do you not get who the forces are who are lined up on either side? Do you actually believe that Warren could possibly secretly be aligned with multinationals and Wall Street, and against Public Interest groups?

You have achieved a total eclipse of..... logic.

You remember him. He's the #1 reason why this website was created.

Of course the VP of the President who pushed for it supported it. Irrelevant to the history of democratic division and opposition to ftas. I'd explain why that opposition exists, but why bother? It seems you're impervious to facts and history on this topic.

Are you going to hold me to a higher standard?

Of course you are.

This thread has served its purpose and run its course.

Trying to show speculation exists within a world of imposed secrecy is silliness.

The op in my mind is expressing a conspiracy theory without an ounce of substance.

That kind of conspiracy theory? Yeah, that about sums it up.

The only difference: it's a theory that finds your predetermined mindset.

of the chapters by experts, additional leaked materials such as the list of entities that were given access and input into it, and quite a bit more. It's the rackets bullshit to claim the drafts are meaningless. These aren't rough drafts. They are the result of 17 to 20 negotiating rounds.

The misinformation you post on this is shameful.

I don't know why anyone would even try, knowing that the full release to the public will happen the instant that Fast Track is approved. And, if Fast Track is voted down, it's irrelevant what's inside.

And where is your attack on the theory of blind trust

Play both sides evenly.

Damn -- you'd think that Obama was doing this by executive action.

did you forget to mention that.

What about the blind faith theories,are those believable?

The President thinks too well of himself to enlist anyone to oppose one of his ideas.

As President Obama once said, make him do it.

Three-level chess game?

How about all the labor unions? The Sierra Club? City councils and state democratic parties?

Sorry, but you have to be woefully misinformed and have no knowledge of the history of democratic opposition to ftas to believe this is possible.

Do you actually believe it's possible that Warren is aligned with Wall Street and big banks, entities that she has been battling for years?

Especially since their masters wrote the thing. Your post is nonsensical.

Who the hell are their "masters"? The Obama administration?

I can't wait to hear this answer.

This is getting better and better -- and you said I should be ashamed of spreading misinformation.

You'd better document the hell out of this cali; you've made some pretty shitty insinuations about me. I will give you no quarter.

Not how I'd put it. I think it's more accurate to say that republicans heavily support corporations.

I have never claimed corporations wrote the tpp. I have said that hundreds had access and input. I and others have posted that list several times. I believe someone posted it today.

Look, your desperation appears to be getting the best of you. Now you're stooping to putting words in my mouth- making stuff up out of whole cloth. You posted some out there speculation. What did you expect would be the reaction from most folks?

I knew if I pushed you hard enough for justification of you ca-ca, you'd collapse.

Right on cue.

in flaming color, in full sight. Now I'm feeling sorry for you. You're just flailing about and being wildly mendacious.

I'm the one who said corporations wrote it.

No quarter!

It's not poor aim. That was deliberate.

no matter what you, or anyone else, says.

to know that it is going to be the American economy for everyone but the ultra-rich to be in the shithole it leaves behind.

Was she also doing his bidding when she effectively blocked Antonio Weiss? How about the pushback on the private equity friendly regulator at the SEC? I guess everytime she's mentioned the complete dereliction of duty by the administration when it comes to investigating and prosecuting finance-related crimes, she's really doing the bidding of the head of that administration.

Tip: say this stuff out loud before posting it. It's amazing how that little step will stop one from saying or posting some of the dumbest stuff imaginable.

Like stretching polyester pants to fit.

Thanks for the reasonable analogy of this op.

Didn't mean to rain on convoluted 11th dimensional chess strategizing with facts. I'll try not to do that in the future.

... chance in hell. She will continue to oppose it because it is an odious agreement and she is actually working FOR the 99% unlike most of our government.

And that secrecy disappears as soon as the Fast Track is approved.

And she can't speak of classified content. You know that full well.

.. on the substance when the substance is largely secret.

Wait and see.

Brilliant!

criticizing it to gain support by bashing the Prez and stuff that most people couldn't understand if they were sent a copy in the US Mail with big fonts.

Sorry I trust Obama in negotiating the TPP. From what I've seen it's an improvement over past trade agreements and will establish a formal alliance with countries that are important to our and the world's future.

I think this is largely about national security and China for the President. I do not ascribe any nefarious motives to him. I don't know how bad it will be should it be enacted.

They never have. They have always supported these trade agreements and they have said they support this one.

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015/01/27/republicans-open-to-giving-obama-fast-track-trade-authority