Now if they would stop giving the lunatic fringe a platform that would be even better.

are identified as what they are right up front.

It makes it impossible for them to pretend that they are anything other than a hate group.

It doesn't make it impossible - just provides another burden of proof in their dislocation of the facts. It is, in truth, another fact for them to dislocate. Not a problem for spewing their putrid message to their feeble minded followers.

get it, I certainly prefer the clear pronouncement of exactly who they are.

This is how Indiana got at least partially turned around. People are very uncomfortable when they are publicly called on their bigotry.

full disclosure is critical

there is absolutely nothing "sacred" about such a union.

And there is no legal or financial reason that marriage should be legally restricted to a man and a woman.

They act as if the Christians and Jews invented marriage. No one else in the world ever thought of it. Like everyone in Europe, India, China, etc. spent their whole lives alone until Christianity came along and spread to those regions. They all needed people from the Levant to come tell them how to form couples. It's so ludicrous it's sickening.

The whole "The 10 commandments are the foundation of our legal system" crap that can be debunked with basic common sense.

and prove for the orderly intergenerational disposition of property among the landed classes.

Not knowing that simple fact disqualifies some bigoted yutz like Perkins from participating in the debate.

... as what they are ... HATE GROUPS

And I'm sick of news networks giving them air time, they should not be given the time of day.

Nobody gets to hide behind the Cross of Christ in order to sow hate and lies and discrimination and distortion because of their own small minds and cold hearts.

A long way

I like that, and would greatly appreciate it if there was a little more like this. For way too long, the media have treated Perkins and his ilk as if they're oracles and command a far greater following among Christians than they actually do. The picture in the media of people of faith is nearly exclusively Perkins, Bill Donohue of the Catholic League, and folks who share their narrow range of sectarian thought.

I hope more programs follow this lead, and perhaps we can one day see religious spokespersons from the liberal traditions besides Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton, whose appearances come heavily freighted with their long history of activism in the public eye, such that their message is often lost.

He usually is just a gutless,wimpy script reader.

Maybe if the rest of them see that Schieffer didn't burst into flames or something, they'll be a little more forthright, too? After all, what sort of "access" does Perkins offer that the shows need to have him on? "We wanted to present the viewpoint of a particularly dark and stinky corner of mankind, but we seem to have pissed off Tony Perkins. Too (mmmphgf!) bad. So (snrrk!) sad.

Schmuck Toad NOT breathtakingly managing and emceeing the performances of the GOP clown car!

He's been working with the circus all his life, sweeping up elephant droppings (Actually, the parallels get pretty striking, don't they?). He's complained about it for years, when his best friend says, "Why don't you quit?" The guy responds, "What? And give up show biz?"

It's changing, but that is where their heads are at, and Perkins' group DOES speak for millions of them.

Hate squarely on the shoulders of the haters. I don't know how long it will take but know there are Christians who love gays.

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kicking and screaming, into the 21st Century on GLBT equality.

The persecution of gay people (and Jews, feminists, black people, and other minorities) by organized Christianity over the history of Western civilization is VERY well-documented.

No doubt, you have objective evidence to support your claim...

fill up to capacity are NOT Unitarian Universalist, that's for sure. I believe the rigntwing bigoted variety vastly outnumber the moderate/liberal christians.

cheers.

" Sadly, most American 'Christians' ARE about hate for gay people." That's an interesting position to take; I don't agree with that, but I won't attack your beliefs.

Bryant

Michael Sherrard, Faithful America <mail@faithfulamerica.org> had a petition against CBS having Tony Perkins on and it is so encouraging to hear that the pressure from sane believers was heard! Faithful America has served two great roles 1) informing Christians of the outrageous claims being made in the name of Chrisitianity 2) giving them the power of a united voice for impact! I feel so encouraged to have a way to express my Christian values without being lumped in with the bigoted crazies like Tony Perkins.

He is one of the last....if not THE LAST of his kind.

Old school integrity don't feed me horse shit and tell me it's candy.

That generation of broadcasts journalists was the last to, from time to time, show the truth of this country and ask real questions of those in power. For that, it was slandered as having a "liberal bias&quot and we all remember what Stephen Colbert taught us about the bias contained in reality).

A year from now, no one on the old Big Three networks will ever ask questions like this.

When he sees Mike Wallace waiting in the lobby,

Weird fact...he was Nixon's first choice as press secretary.

Just imagine how bizarre the Seventies would have been if it had been Mike Wallace playing the Ron Ziegler role all through Watergate.

I met the real Tony Perkins very briefly when he was filming a movie called "Pretty Poison" with Tuesday Weld in Great Barrington, Massachusetts , in '68, I think it was. I took one last look at Tuesday in a cheerleader outfit and bumped into the car in front of me, mashing the grill of my nice new MGB-GT, and bending his trailer hitch. My wife was not amused.

Expensive lesson.

He described what another group thought of him. That is a typical type of introduction done with many guests to try and draw a comment from the guest.

those were Schieffer's thoughts. I don't know what his thoughts are and you and Raw don't either. He was using a standard interview technique.

Schiefer introduced Perkins in a way no other interviewer has but, I guess you missed that aspect of the news in your focus on headline writing responsibility.

Chuck Todd would have been kissing Perkins butt.

Not all of them, but the FRC is a $10 million organization and I don't think it's non-Christians giving him money.

signed the petition Schieffer referred to. FRC is also funded by special interests, not just Christians.

this Perkins looks like a goddamned serial killer. He's got the smile, he's got the eyes, he's got the rationale. He would be perfect for the Nazis. Yes…he even looks like a Nazi - you know, the guy in the movie from the SS who shows up and scares the shit out of the regular Nazi army guys. You know, the ordinary genocidal maniacs as opposed to the REALLY insane ones.

Jesus…WTF has evolved in this country?

If he saw Perkins.

CALL THEM WHAT THEY ARE

I can't believe the arguments these ignorant, anti-gay bigots are using. Utter stupidity and gibberish.

They've simply 'got nothing.'

They've lost this issue, but are flailing about--saying anything and hoping that something will stick.

They are utter fools.

They deny the reality that the majority of Americans are for gay marriage. They know how the Supreme Court is going to rule in the coming days--so they declare that the Supreme Court has no business ruling on these matters.

OMG. All you can do is pity them.

Or Loving v Virginia. In fact, the courts have been used to set public policy for years.

Remember the true definition of "activist judge": A judge who made a ruling the person using the term disagrees with.

Thank you Mr. Schieffer. It is high time that we start calling these people out for what they are.

do you have a KKK member on when discussing racial issues?

I was about to make the EXACT same point.

no forum for hate groups

LGBT people deserved equal protection under the Constitution" Really? I thought that was their job. According to this jackass, Americans don't have rights. And we're supposed to let fuckwads like him decide what "public policy" allows.

this functionary of "his" Christ and his cronies went into Nigeria to have laws passed against human beings that are homosexual (which is a disgusting word and should be banned in my opinion) and is given a platform to go a national syndicated show to spew his rhetoric------that's what really disgusting

The man is a leader of one of the leading hate groups

Norman, you've been a very bad boy!




Oh wait.. The way scarier Tony Perkins! The one that's way more a Psycho.

At least Schieffer raised the question. But Perkins' appearance on Face the Nation is further proof that CBS has turned right. Lately, even the story line of popular dramas like Madam Secretary and The Good Wife have conservative politics built into the script. The takeaway from Sunday's episode of Madam Secretary was that for the US to sign the Iran nuclear treaty was wrong, because that nation stones gays. It leaves me to believe that the tentacles of the war industry, in sync with corporate politics, have captured network programming. The Good Wife let Diane's brilliant argument in favor of gay marriage be trumped by a distinguished lawyer who had the last word against it. So watch with caution, folks. CBS is using drama as propaganda.