So much for inclusion of everyone. It would be different if they refused vegan food, I would not support that. I also don't believe in leaving out others who eat different foods. Why to go PETA trying to get a smaller participation at the event.

They're just calling out the hypocrisy.

ETA: Although due to pre-existing contracts it seems they din't have control, unless they choose to relocate.

A ban is a horrible idea. Guests enjoy various foods at festivals. Nothing better then a spicy sausage on a roll with a beer. Plus burgers and dogs tend to be popular. There should never be discrimation at these things. And the committee pretty much said they were going to have variety. Not everyone in America is a vegan.

Im sure it wouldn't kill them to skip a meat lunch. People are attending for the music and the cause, not the lunch.

Intolerance is horrible no matter who you are.

all of which is delicious.

You have some vegan food, I'll have a steak. I"m not against a vegan menu, I just don't think it should be the only menu.

Tofu, or are allergic to mushrooms, which seems to be a component of most vegan "Meat" substitutes?



And do you understand how destructive soybean mono-culture is? Tofu is NOT an environmentally friendly product - about the same as meat.



So don't get all preachy.

I have an allergy to onions....which seem to end up in everything these days, especially vegan foods.
Vegan restaurants are a nightmare for me.

Which isn't to say that it's an environmentally friendly product. But its carbon impact, for example, is far smaller.

Vegans make tofu out to be some green product with no impact, when in fact, it is VERY destructive to the environment.

And if everyone switched to Tofu, well, that wouldn't be very pretty.



And tofu is NOT organic.

I agree, it's a matter of degree--that's the point.

Is used to feed animals.

If its about the musuc and th cause, why shove that vegan crap down everyone's throat?

Few people get up my nose more than self-righteous vegans....

For a festival, it would have been very doable.

It takes over 600 gallons of water to yield one hamburger.

No need for water at all except if someone is thirsty. They will probably have a variety of beverages to drink.

How do you think they made this already made food? Did it just appear out of thin air?

I am at TGI Fridays having the dipped pretzels, medium rare steak, Mac and cheese and a Cesar salad. I am not one to discuss taking away meat from those who enjoy it. I don't think I will ever support that.

Enjoy your factory farmed flesh. Try not to think about what it took to make your meal.

Just finished the pretzels. Salad next.

And the fact that one cow can yeild multiple cuts of meat?

LOL

Ideal age of cow to be at time of slaughter = 36 months give or take
rough weight of live cow at 36 months = 1,100 pounds usually want them fatter, so this is a smaller than average, for your benefit.
roughly 800 lbs of meat after slaughter, again fair average of meat to waste.

1 hamburger = 8oz pre cooked weight.
800lbs of meat = roughly 1,600 1/2 lb burgers.

each burger "scientifically" proven to require 600 gallons of water to produce = 960,000 gallons of water in 3year time (1600 burgers x 600 gallon)

960,000 gallons of water divided by 1,097days (36 months) = 876 gallons of water per day,.... per animal.

Your "science says a cow drinks a gallon of water,.... per minute,......... every minute,... for 17 hours per day, .......every day, .....for three years ?

your "science" and baloney, ................. they have something in common. Both are manufactured, and neither are any good.

Cows need to eat. The water is also figured in to how much it takes to grow what the cow eats, how much water is used in slaughter, etc. Try to think before you post.

than factory farmed.

and meat is again available for all.

Your argument is now based on water consumption, so........................................

Desalinize the ocean, halt global warming from raising the oceans, reduce the number of hurricanes due to warmer/higher ocean temperatures, plenty of water for your yeast and oats, new industry, more jobs,


And all thanks to simply preserving my right to eat meat.

My argument has always been about stopping cruelty towards animals. I was only expounding on the previous posters comments.

you just mentioned water for feed, free range don't eat farmed/processed feed. confined cattle are the consumers of feed, range cattle eat what grows naturally from sun and rain. you counting rainfall in your silly water budget?

Free range require more water to drink because they are getting much more exercise. Unless grass-fed cows are being raised in a tropical area, they still need to be fed grain during the lean or winter months. And if they are being raised in a tropical area (the Amazon) you are clearing Millions of acres of rainforest to raise them.

free range means free range - no grain, little supplemental feed at all. confined feeding is 100% crops. water consumption for crops is the major usage, all cattle drink about the same - the main variability is weather/temperature not EXERCISE.

raising (and eating) beef can be an extremely sustainable and environmentally ENHANCING process. I am not saying it all is by any means, but cattle natually consume lower on the food chain than other meats and can convert undigestible-by-humans plant matter from land that is NOT arable or productive for food in any other way. Managed correctly they can enhance biodiversity, nutrient cycles, ground cover, mitigate erosion, help sequester C02, AND provide delicious high quality nutritious protein (and other useful products).

your simplistic and extremist approach is not based in reality.

So this makes no difference to me really.

personally, I would be concerned about my credibility - especially if I had some cause I was wanting other people to buy into.

when you err on such basic information people tend to question what other claims might be incorrect.

I have no idea if 600 gallons is needed/burger, frankly that sounds a bit high. But honestly, your math exercise is just plain silly. And I'm an omnivore who has no use for PETA.

wanting to dictate what the many eat.

De-salinize the ocean, .......use the water to raise more beef.......save the planet.

thank me later, but come around back on week-ends, follow the smell of the BBQ, and for gods sake...leave the soy patties at home.

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Which yields a lot less protein than beef.

http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2014/02/wheres-californias-water-going

Should we stop growing walnuts?

Also, Al Gore is vegan, so it would be appropriate for him to push for vegan food at the event.

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/820999

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1016117812

But thankfully they are going to have a wide variety of food for those who are not vegan. The committee knows what's best. PETA is being discrimary. I guess I should say tried to be.

Forcing your dietary preferences on those who don't share them makes one an asshole.

(What can i say? My dad's a softie!)

Non vegans can eat vegan food and it won't hurt them.

Harm the environment, and cause harm to the animal which it came from. Are you that selfish you can't understand?

Make their own choices and never force them on others especially liberals.

slavery is fine?

What you are doing is nonsense. I'm at Friday's enjoying my lunch with coworker friends and yes we are having a nutritious lunch with all food groups involved.

It was for me, Once you realize how much it hurts the creatures you are using.

If they eat meat or dairy products the vegan police will strip them of their psychic powers.

I haven't eaten meat since the 80s. Do you have even the vaguest idea what happens if I get hold of chicken stock or bacon grease?

Two exits, no waiting. I can't even imagine the pain that would be involved in eating actual meat. Jesus.

I don't want to eat vegan food, I like my meat, things like venison, elk, wild hog, wild turkey, chucker, dove, quail, etc.
You can stick to your vegan food, I'll stick to my meat and potatos food.
Oh, and we do enjoy a nice, thick Ribeye steak cooked on the BBQ every now and then.

You keep saying things like "eat vegan", "refuse vegan food".

You think vegan is a product.

OMG.

And you CANNOT stop yourself from commenting. It's like you're posting about Dumbo and don't realize we're talking about elephants.

Holy moly.

Nobody is making you post. Why on this topic? Oy

I'm annoyed that you're posting and arguing aboutserving a vegan nenu when it's obvious you don't even know what the term "vegan" means. Why not learn a basic definition before posting?

Of concert goers is all I am saying. Accept everybody including those who have a burger once in a while. What if they said were only serving meat with no sides. The tune would change quick.

Or should I say, Obnoxious way.

I wish they'd take a break with the ultra hostile approach, though.

Plenty of people whose diets require meat and other non-vegan foods.

And nothing I serve is vegan, it's still just one meal - you will be polite and eat it?

With no regard at all for dietary whims of your guests.

///sarcasm///



Good googly moogly

She was a vegetarian at the time she left.

I told her that, that would have to change.

That her diet would be largely animal protein for a time.

Another year she spent a summer working in Denali national park.

Also not exactly an area supportive of a diet that makes you feel superior to others.

She is not a vegetarian anymore.

How could I not care?

Some people can't go vegan.

While I enjoy a good festival as much as the next person, a festival generally uses way more resources than any human needs.

If you are so upset at the food being served, where is your outrage for all the other resources being wasted?

Or is that just too much for you to handle at one time?

yes, you do.

Fortified foods are unbelievably expensive. I can afford them, but a vegan diet in general is very much out of some people's financial means.

a box of cereal or a pack of nutritional yeast costs more than whatever meat you're going to buy? I'm not seeing that.

You seem to have missed where I said I'm vegan myself.

is full of shit. And if they are that lacking in Vitamin D, I'm sure they would be taking a supplement already.

A box of cereal,....... a pack of "nutritional" yeast or....... some meat.


mmmmmmmmm, ....... cereal and "nutritional" yeast, ..................sure sound like they would hit the spot.

but BEEF ............it's what's for dinner.

Have you had it? its very versatile and can be used in many dishes.
Rotting cow carcass... yummm

Nooch: "savory flavor, reminiscent of cheese" ...... tempting,.... but no, a pouch of raw gelatin sounds just as disgusting.

You need to eat a big fat marbled steak,....BEFORE it rots,..... I assume you eat your fruits and nuts BEFORE they rot right ?

I'm all for vegans eating whatever they want, just like vegans are just fine letting me have what I want. You can have all the yeast I'm supposed to be eating.

ok.

Why can't you have what you want without an animal having to die?