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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI took several months off
and after seeing some of the most disgusting comments and attitudes toward Bruce Jenner I am questioning my decision to enter the fray again.
There must be something wrong with him, he's confused, he's only worried about his money, he's doing it for money, he killed a woman, my god.
and there is this gem; http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6572366
I have dealt with uncertainty about who I am my entire life and I am up and over 40, I wish I had the strength of Jenner to even halfway address this, with myself, with others but I am too afraid and probably always will be.
Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)I wish I had the strength of Jenner to even halfway address this, with myself, with others but I am too afraid and probably always will be.
Don't give up. Jenner gave up trying to deal with it at around your age, but is dealing with it now--and with millions more eyes on him than I am guessing you have. And I hope to heaven that more and more people coming out about it will make it easier for everyone.
Please accept my best wishes.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)We have a long way to go as a society when supposed liberals make such asinine and bigoted comments as some I have read.
Money, fame and publicity do not lessen, one single fucking bit, Jenner's struggles, his life, his identity or his decisions. Those who don't get that the only proper response is a standing ovation in support will look back one day and feel ashamed.
Omaha Steve
(99,660 posts)Stick around.
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AuntPatsy
(9,904 posts)That's where you should step back and realize who he is, what he has allowed already to be known, and frankly, the bottom line, he is making money, not that in a capitalistic world it's seen as a bad thing but for some it is exploitation...
As far as you believing him to be stronger than you? I'd say that's debatable....
Yes, he will be ridiculed by some worthless mindless idiots concerning his differences to some of them...he will be able to handle it, he has the access for those tools, an access most, people like you do not have or so you believe...
We all have our burdens to carry, and many times they differ greatly...my problem with Bruce is that he could have helped those no longer here due to suicide....he had that family support, it's more than obvious they were very aware for some time and he was comfortable enough girl a time
The Republican label disgusted me to be honest, it's obvious that the only thing he had in common with like minded individuals was the greed...the me part.
He put himself out there, he makes money from people like you or I even talking about him. Do I hope his filmed journey helps a young boy or girl find the strength to fight against this bigotry, of course I do, and I'll give him credit for those future actions, not before,
I would bet your friends and family already know how you feel, like stepping into an ice cold bath, it's one step at a time, Lise the fear, look for your strength seen through another's eyes"
Be yourself, and those that matter will stand beside you, most people will always be greedy, bigoted, selfish and self serving, the gene does not die,it lingers inside humanity like a bacteria,
your not alone, you never were...one day at a time,
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)And who profess to know what Jenner is going through.
None of us do, not a one of us know.
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)"We're still evolving."
I had asked this person (a psychotherapist) why human beings treat
other human beings so horribly. I wondered what in the hell is wrong with us.
It's always stuck with me, "We're still evolving." Human beings haven't been around on this planet, for that long. There's so much that we have yet to learn.
When you're feeling bad about pain that others inflict, just remember that we live during a time when our species is still in its infancy. I know it doesn't change things. But at least, you can learn not to take things personally. It's the human condition, for now. There are plenty of good and decent people who will accept you for you. Surround yourself with them.
As far as attitudes toward the LGBT community (and specifically the transgendered community), there has been a lot of progress. People are waking up. When I was in high school, in the early 1980's--people didn't even discuss being gay. People hid in the closet. Now, my daughters' middle school has a support group for LGBT students and their supporters. Last week, the school had a silent day--where LGBT kids and their supporters could be silent all day--signifying how many in the gay community hide who they are out of fear. Gay marriage is legal in many states. Ten years ago, this was not the case.
We're still evolving.
And the hate you hear--it's literally the last gasps of some very embittered, fearful ignorant fools who know that they have lost the fight. Their voices are very loud right now because they're watching their bigoted ignorance being called out for what it is, and they see young people rejecting their nonsense in spades.
Things are getting better. We've still evolving
but we are evolving forward.
Best to you!
hfojvt
(37,573 posts)although maybe I should not confess it - I used to read Dear Abby.
And I remember reading a column in the late 1970s or perhaps early 1980s where she was very accepting of transgendered people. And Abby was old enough to be my grandmother, born in 1918.
hfojvt
(37,573 posts)with saying that his political choice is driven by money?
Isn't that true of lots of people?
Well, probably shouldn't say anything about the other. The statement "uncertainty about who I am" is rather confusing to me. I cannot really understand what that means, having no experience.
But at the same time, how is it NOT fair to say that a person who is "uncertain about who they are" is "confused"?
Myself, I have done a thing or two that perhaps most people would consider odd. Working at a factory, my boots were wearing out on the inside of my feet. So I decided to switch them and wear the left boot on my right foot and vice versa. That way I would not have to buy new boots every four weeks. Truly though, I was kinda nervous walking around like that - I was not sure how the "world" would react.
Ultimately, nobody seemed to notice.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)because that's what people do when they're thinking about what they're about to say. They glance to the left or the right, often upwards -- not down to their crotch.
hfojvt
(37,573 posts)trying to read body language.
Why does a ridiculous comment have to be offensive?
Ultimately I agree with the conclusion though - he's conservative because he's rich.
Skittles
(153,169 posts)stay and fight
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)I took a year off from DU before returning last July. The great thing about DU is that you're always welcomed home.
Hekate
(90,714 posts)Gods, I'm sorry you came back to that, PT.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)either because he came out as a conservative Republican, or because they resent him for his past successes and/or connections with the Kardasians.
But I bet most of them would say that they don't feel that way about transgender people in general. They just let their resentment of his wealth, appearance, Republican politics -- whatever -- overcome the compassion they would otherwise have had for people facing his challenges.
hfojvt
(37,573 posts)not poor or unknown, but worth $500,000 to Jenner's $100,000,000. Not sure about his politics, although dad was a conservative Republican in Congress.
JI7
(89,252 posts)but he didn't live long enough to see Chastity come out as Chaz so don't know how that would be for him.
i think Cher's problem was more about how she probably wanted some "girly girl" daughter to do all the girly things with . not really personally issues with being gay or transgender.
but cher has been very supportive for a long time now.
below is chaz with stepmother mary bono mack
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)except that being a conservative Republican made it that much harder?
Iggo
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eShirl
(18,494 posts)wow!