False claims won't win you any support.

The issue is CORPORATIONS, not citizens.

When you lie about the opposition to the TPP, you lie in favor of these fine entities:



3M Company
Abbott
ACE Group
Advanced Medical Technology Association
Aflac International
American Apparel & Footwear Association
American Automotive Policy Council
American Chemistry Council
American Council of Life Insurers
American Farm Bureau Federation
American Feed Industry
Association American Forest & Paper Association
American Insurance Association
American Legislative Exchange Council
American Meat Institute
American Soybean Association
Amway
APL
Apple
Applied Materials
Archer Daniels Midland Company
American Natural Soda
Ash Corporation
Association of Global Automakers
Biotechnology Industry Organization
Boeing
Business Roundtable
BSA – The Software Alliance
CA Technologies
Cargill
Caterpillar
Chevron
Chubb Corp.
Citigroup Inc
Coalition of Services Industries
The Coca Cola Company Inc
Computing Technology Industry Association
Conoco Phillips
Consumer Specialty Products Association (CSPA)
Corn Refiners Association
Cotton Council International
Council of the Americas
Crop Life America
The Walt Disney Company
Distilled Spirits Council of the United States
The Dow Chemical Company
EBay
Emergency Committee for American Trade
Facebook
FedEx Express
Express Association of America
Exxon Mobil
Financial Services Forum
Fluor
FMC Corporation
Food Marketing Institute
Footwear Distributors and Retailers of America
Gap, Inc.
General Electric
General Motors
Glanbia USA
GlaxoSmithKline
Goldman Sachs
Grocery Manufacturers Association
Halliburton
Hanesbrands
Herbalife
Hewlett-Packard
Honda North America
Idaho Potato Commission
IDS International
IBM
Information Technology Industry Council
Intel
Interactive Advertising Bureau
International Dairy Foods Association
International Intellectual Property Alliance (IIPA)
J.C. Penney
John Deere
Johnson & Johnson
Kraft Foods
Levi Strauss & Co.
Lilly Louis Dreyfus Commodities
Mars
McGraw Hill Financial
Metlife
Microsoft
Mondelez International
Monsanto
Morgan Stanley
Motion Picture Association of America
Motor & Equipment Manufacturers Association
National Association of Manufacturers
National Cattlemen’s Beef Association
National Center for APEC
National Confectioners Association
National Corn Growers Association
National Council of Wheat Growers
National Electrical Manufacturers Association
National Fisheries Institute
National Foreign Trade Council
National Milk Producers Federation
National Oilseed Processors Association
National Pork Producers Council
National Potato Council
National Retail Federation
National Turkey Federation
Nike
Northwest Horticultural Council
Novartis
Oracle
Outdoor Industry Association
Pet Food Institute
Pfizer
Philip Morris International
PhRMA
Plastics Industry Trade Association
PPG Industries
Procter & Gamble
Qualcomm Incorporated
Retail Industry Leaders Association
Securities Industry and Financial Markets Association
Semiconductor Equipment and Materials International
Software & Information Industry Association
SPI: The Plastics Industry Trade Association
Sudbury International Sweeteners
Users Association
Target Inc.
TechAmerica
Telecommunications Industry Association
The Entertainment Software Association
The National Chicken Council
Time Warner Inc.
Toyota North America
TUMI
U.S. Apple Association
U.S. Chamber of Commerce
U.S. Grains Council
U.S. New Zealand Council
U.S. Wheat Associates
USA-ITA
United States Council for International Business
United Technologies Corporation
UPS
US-ASEAN Business Council
Viacom
Visa
Wal-Mart Stores Inc.
Washington Council on International Trade
World Trade Center San Diego
Xerox
Zimmer

http://tppcoalition.org/

Why are you deliberately misrepresenting the opposition to the TPP? What possible purpose does that misrepresentation serve?

you know zip about it beyond the pablum on the WH site and the USTR propaganda

some basic information about the TPP: How many draft chapters have leaked? (Part 1)

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How many chapters are there? Who are the member nations? Who has seen it? What parties have had input? And more. This is part 1. I'm not posting links here. If you doubt the information, check it yourself. Hell, you might find an error. This is from memory because I've been researching the hell out of it for 3+ years.

Why am I posting this? There's a lot of misinformation about it floating around DU. I've been posting about it for years. Do a DU search with my name and TPP and you'll find dozens of threads with multiple links to information. It's hardly a secret that I oppose the TPP, though I am not anti-free trade. Neither is Bernie Sanders. In any case, I'm posting this without an agenda or imprecations to oppose it- I'll save that for other posts.

These are the TPP Nations:

US
Australia
New Zealand
Brunei
Chile
Peru
Mexico
Japan
Vietnam
Malaysia
Canada
South Korea

<snip and more>

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026526450

oh, and please don't make bullshit, false comments insinuating that people fear these countries. btw, do fucking inform yourself about some of the awful shit that has happened in Columbia and Central America, post ftas with the old U.S. of A. There were supposedly enforceable labor, environmental and human rights provisions in those agreements as well.

Ugh. repeating propaganda

I loved the appeal to emotions and liberal sensibilities, though. Nice angle, even though it's bullshit.

Not explained is why these countries need a treaty with America in order to treat their employees decently, and that without signing this treaty with America, they'll maintain the status quo of oppression. Then has the nerve to say "it's not about you, America"

with this poster.

and don't forget his lectures about how those of us opposing the tpp can't know anything about it. Now he's telling us how fab it is- moving beyond the trust the President line.

as a bargaining chip to improve the long term working conditions in some of the worst places on earth.

This agreement will allow the USA to positively impact signatories' sweat shop and labor conditions.

It could have an impact on the whaling trade in Japan, the seal trade in Canada.. How about the mines in Chile? The disgusting and toxic conditions for the shrimp industry in Viet Nam?

There are further mining industries in Peru as well as enormous gas and oil fields. Think of the conditions for workers there, not to mention environmental protection issues.

So it's not just about corporations making some big anonymous grab for goodies at the expense of the American workers, it's about expanding global protections for other workers around the world in addition to environmental protections, and I firmly believe that this is the basis of President Obama's interest in this agreement.

not lend credence to that claim.

In addition, just look at the heinous abuse, torture and murder of labor activists in Columbia post our fta with that nation- and it had nice language about labor and human rights too, as well as promises of enforcement.

Enough with the happy talk. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

And you know what they say about forgetting history.

"Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. ..."

Hence, practicing the violin is insane.

(using bumper stickers in lieu of wisdom often makes a person appear as little more than a witless buffoon... except in your case-- as we know you're not witless)

The TPP will also be good for American workers as rising wages in these still few nations will help with domestic wages as well.

When I hear liberals and union leaders talking about "death panels" by Obama, first I laugh, then I am happy because I know at least I am not on that side of the issue.

all. I have no problem trusting that President Obama is working on a highly complex long game here, like he always does and I am sure the outcome will be far better than anticipated. He somehow manages to appear pragmatic to his worst critics while ultimately identifying as an idealist when the final curtain falls. It's pretty cool.

be trusted to voluntarily comply with international standards of a decent wage and a decent and safe work and genersl labor conditions using no child or slave or endentured workers etc.?

Good luck with that!

You would think American unions would be arm in arm with their worker brothers and sisters in these nations rather than hinting at "death panels" in the TPP. I heard Trumka may have said that, not sure it is completely true he did that, but some folks some think so.

I know looking at the logic and details and the long and big picture is not near as entertaining as hurling generalities and insults into the 24 hour Twitterosphere news cycle, but it is the way Obama does it, and I agree with his madness.