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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSummary of Dangers of the TPP
From what we've seen the TPP will:
1. make it easier to offshore more jobs now performed in the United States.
2. generate downward pressure on wages.
3. empower another 25,000 foreign corporations to use Investor State Dispute Settlement (ISDS) tribunals to gut our net neutrality, environmental, health, labor and safety laws and regulations.
4. give big pharma new monopoly patent rights.
5. provide for rolling back financial regulations put in place after the crash of 2008.
6. provide for banning buy local and buy domestic policies.
7. undermine climate change and energy policies by constraining the permissible policies governments can use to implement them.
8. potentially prevent the Treasury from replacing the practice of issuing Treasury debt to fund deficit spending with alternative funding methods.
9. potentially prevent the Fed from using negative interest rate policies if it chooses to do so.
10. potentially force the US to bail out insolvent banks through ISDS settlements.
11. constitute ISDS tribunals as criminogenic environments with corporate advocates who play the roles of both judges and corporate attorneys at different times and who have substantial incentives to both drag out and sustain corporate suits against governments at all levels.
12. turn over the legislative power of the Federal government to the investor state dispute settlement courts and the corporations buying their loyalty.
13. paralyze action by future Congresses that might reduce corporate expectations of profits,.
14. create a permanent political fight over repealing the horror of the TPP while the US economy declines year after year.
15. create an unconstrained and unconstitutional trade agreement fusing judicial and legislative authority whose overnight judicial undoing would create international instability.
16. demand that the American public ought to ensure them against the business risks they take abroad.
17. insist on classification of the TPP drafts, hiding them from the public and making it an impossible burden for Congresspeople to evaluate them, and then on keeping the proposed or actual agreement secret so that the American people cant even know what the law is that may result in international levies of many billions of dollars upon them, for four years after the TPP is either passed or defeated.
18. create the possibility that one ISDS case, decided by a biased three-judge panel dominated by attorneys who primarily work for corporate clients could deliver a financial crisis to an American State or local government.
19. provide multinationals protections against risk that would not be accorded to domestic corporations.
20. define investment so broadly that it applies to any asset that is either owned or controlled and therefore to any new regulation that may be passed by any democratic government placing chains on all of them and defeating the requirement of the consent of the governed.
21. prohibit Buy American laws and regulations.
22. fail to provide a clear legal provision allowing regulating investments for public purpose through laws and regulations that would not be subject to the interpretations of ISDS tribunals dominated by representatives of corporations making decisions in accord with the principle that national level rule making must not interfere with the expectations of profits held by multinational private corporations, or to any other tribunals not subject to the consent of the governed.
Any one of the above should be enough to scuttle the TPP. Email your Congress-Critter today and tomorrow.
From: http://neweconomicperspectives.org/2015/04/indicting-the-trans-pacific-partnership-even-one-of-these-counts-is-sufficient-to-vote-to-kill-it.html
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)in the document.
No one has come out with a similar list showing the benefits of the TPP.
Those that support Pres Obama's position one way or the other, offer no arguments in favor, only ad hominem attacks on those opposed.
This single issue shows the separation between the Progressive Wing (opposed) and the Conservative Wing (supports Obama's position).
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Maedhros
(10,007 posts)without realizing it's a fallacy.
cali
(114,904 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)The real vote is on the tpa. If that passes the tpp passes
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)That is some list, a DUzy, as it were.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)I think too many words tends to lose people.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)Autumn
(45,106 posts)want it so bad? Bad enough to attack the Democrats in his own party, in a way he has never attacked the pukes.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)Helen Borg
(3,963 posts)Did "they" inject him with toxic nanobots that would get activated if this does not pass?... I get X-files vibes here...
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)And he seems so desperate, not the cool, calm person he usually is.
So desperate he's beginning to sound like people on the internet who resort to personal attacks without ever addressing the issues.
'The Game is Rigged' Warren is right about that too!
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Helen Borg
(3,963 posts)Right? Right?...
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)just fine! Just trust us! Because Corporations are people too, my friend!
I wonder if they laugh at the people while sipping their cocktails in their exclusive mansions?
Especially at the people who support them? I imagine they do. Why wouldn't they?
zeemike
(18,998 posts)We get to join the third world...that is the new world order.
And the President gets a family membership in the Big Club.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)thinking for them. For them fascism will be a comfort. Just think, you'll never have to make a decision. Repeat after me, the TPP is good, Dog bless Fast Track, Obama loves me," You get the idea. So yes there is something in it for some commoners.
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)LOL. Good summary.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Pres Obama is occasionally wrong or the Republicons are occasionally right (no pun intended)?
pampango
(24,692 posts)by large margins.
Are President Obama and the Democratic base occasionally wrong or is the republican base occasionally right?
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Is Obama wrong on this issue. Hell yes. I believe the Republicon base think that everything Obama does is bad while their Congress-Criters are trying to tell them, "not this time".
pampango
(24,692 posts)If the republican base agrees with me, they are just haters. Otherwise they would disagree with me. If the Democratic base disagrees with me, they are just uninformed. If they get informed they will agree with me. OK. Kind of convenient, but plausible.
Of course, the republican base has always opposed trade agreements (starting with those of Woodrow Wilson and FDR) long before Obama, the WTO, the UN and most other forms of interaction with the rest of the world other than perhaps the occasional military invasion or bombing. So I am not so sure they would have disagreed with you even if they were not haters.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)It is waaaaaaaay more than a "Free Trade Agreement". But I'm guessing you don't care a damn about what the TPP will do. If true, I would really like to know why?