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mfcorey1

(11,001 posts)
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 05:19 PM Apr 2015

Looting stores and burning cars will not solve the problems of police

brutality!!! I am sick of that s*$% too. Citizens of Baltimore, across ethnic lines, are disgusted with that approach. There needs to be change but the opportunity to steal, loot and cause more chaos is not the answer.

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Looting stores and burning cars will not solve the problems of police (Original Post) mfcorey1 Apr 2015 OP
Sometimes long simmering anger just explodes hobbit709 Apr 2015 #1
Why burn your own neighborhood. It is even more awful when people mfcorey1 Apr 2015 #16
Property is not equal to life so yeah it is better than the police killing people from jump. TheKentuckian Apr 2015 #60
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2015 #2
Some of us has been posting about Freddie Gray since it happened justiceischeap Apr 2015 #3
+1. nt seabeyond Apr 2015 #6
For real. Ed Suspicious Apr 2015 #8
Beecause no one replies to your post does not mean that they are not watching mfcorey1 Apr 2015 #18
Saturday, when people were protesting, all anyone on DU wanted to really talk about was justiceischeap Apr 2015 #23
Well, maybe you should start a post and ask them why they did not reply. mfcorey1 Apr 2015 #25
Or maybe a look at our lack of reaction on behalf of that community would be a better discussion justiceischeap Apr 2015 #30
This. ScreamingMeemie Apr 2015 #26
no it doesn't solve anything, but it sure feels good. ellenrr Apr 2015 #4
Unless the problem involves winning Sports Championships tenderfoot Apr 2015 #5
What will? Ed Suspicious Apr 2015 #7
Damn sure won't be burning and looting. mfcorey1 Apr 2015 #20
Right. You already said that. What will? How are you so sure property destruction Ed Suspicious Apr 2015 #24
Property destruction bringing about change? Come on now. mfcorey1 Apr 2015 #28
Because you said so. Got it. If I were an oppressed minority who continues to lose community Ed Suspicious Apr 2015 #42
Bull shit! I know poverty and it never led to looting and stealing. I know many mfcorey1 Apr 2015 #45
This isn't about ohheckyeah Apr 2015 #67
No it doesn't help anything. Chemisse Apr 2015 #68
The real people who are frustrated are protesting without violence. These mfcorey1 Apr 2015 #70
Teenagers don't usually see the large picture. Chemisse Apr 2015 #72
Well thank god you're paying attention to the REAL problem! Scootaloo Apr 2015 #9
Thank God that somewhere cool heads prvail. mfcorey1 Apr 2015 #21
Could you link to your prior posts regarding the killing of Freddie Gray? Thanks n/t Scootaloo Apr 2015 #33
Great victim blaming there AngryAmish Apr 2015 #10
The victim's family asked them to not do this. So, do the wishes of the victims family mfcorey1 Apr 2015 #35
Events occuring are due to a build up of injustice, not just in response to one death. Lars39 Apr 2015 #71
It's ingrained anger that was searching for release. Don't hate ChisolmTrailDem Apr 2015 #11
It won't romanic Apr 2015 #12
Of course STOP THE CRIMINAL BEHAVIOR! but let's also STOP THE LEGAL BEHAVIOR that's killing HereSince1628 Apr 2015 #13
the looters aren't doing it to 'solve the problems of police' bigtree Apr 2015 #14
This is when the nation calls for a leader. kentuck Apr 2015 #15
Yes. Or where is the AG? appalachiablue Apr 2015 #32
She's at the White House meeting on the Baltimore situation right now pinboy3niner Apr 2015 #37
Thanks, good to know. National govt. input is needed. Watching CNN, Wolf now and will appalachiablue Apr 2015 #63
What should Obama do in your opinion? nt Cali_Democrat Apr 2015 #49
You mean you don't have a clue? He should go before the nation and acknowledge the problem. rhett o rick Apr 2015 #53
So he should give a speech? Cali_Democrat Apr 2015 #59
^^^^^^This^^^^^^ Pooka Fey Apr 2015 #50
^^^^^^^This^^^^^^^ rhett o rick Apr 2015 #54
The mayor of Baltimore has blamed it on outside agitators coming in to the city to CTyankee Apr 2015 #17
I've seen "outside agitators" being blamed for a riot in a penitentiary. hobbit709 Apr 2015 #27
well, except for the fact that Baltimore has made some good progress up to now... CTyankee Apr 2015 #39
Tell that to the media. romanic Apr 2015 #34
Ultimately It's The Mayor Of Baltimore That Will Get The Blame For Today's Riots...... global1 Apr 2015 #40
It's irresponsible for people to say that about the mayor. She is a very intelligent and CTyankee Apr 2015 #46
Please Don't Think That I'm Blaming The Mayor, I Actually Feel Sorry For Her.... global1 Apr 2015 #57
Being a mayor is tough. What you say is true. I admire her for at least trying to CTyankee Apr 2015 #69
Looting a store is in no way equivalent to killing unarmed black men in the street? Iggo Apr 2015 #19
These aren't protest groups. procon Apr 2015 #22
But apparently neither will relying on the system... JCMach1 Apr 2015 #29
Sorry. The cops are the ones to blame for this. nt Cali_Democrat Apr 2015 #31
Well, no. phil89 Apr 2015 #38
Wrong. Cali_Democrat Apr 2015 #41
Picky picky picky...dont you know if the victim is AfAm none of that matters! Unless NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #55
This is so sad and heartbreaking. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #36
People are unintentionally trying to remind the police what their main job is. Rex Apr 2015 #43
Of course, the White suburbia solution is sitting down at city/town hall and "discussing" it 951-Riverside Apr 2015 #44
It's getting attention alright. phil89 Apr 2015 #66
Then what is the answer? tenderfoot Apr 2015 #47
Well, that's for sure. NOLALady Apr 2015 #48
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." Zorra Apr 2015 #51
Sometimes riots lead to social change. NutmegYankee Apr 2015 #52
+ Ed Suspicious Apr 2015 #56
When those in power take away all legitimate means to redress grievances, Maedhros Apr 2015 #58
When the Missouri riots happened last year... BlueStater Apr 2015 #61
+1 romanic Apr 2015 #64
George H.W. Bush nationally broadcast statement on Rodney King L.A. riots in 1992 IcyPeas Apr 2015 #62
Police brutality has been going on forever damnedifIknow Apr 2015 #65
pro-tip: rioters already know that.. KG Apr 2015 #73

mfcorey1

(11,001 posts)
16. Why burn your own neighborhood. It is even more awful when people
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 05:32 PM
Apr 2015

make excuses for the looting and stealing. Does that make them any better than the cops who took an innocent life? It is a sad day when stealing feels good. Now someone in that neighborhood will not be able to get their prescription from CVS near their home that is desperately needed. It's time to teach people how to process that feeling of being disrespected by actions that create a productive ending. I have seen this looting produce nothing more than boarded up stores that refuse to return to areas. Does that feel good?

TheKentuckian

(25,026 posts)
60. Property is not equal to life so yeah it is better than the police killing people from jump.
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 06:23 PM
Apr 2015

I get your argument but that little piece is more than one step over the line.

Response to mfcorey1 (Original post)

justiceischeap

(14,040 posts)
3. Some of us has been posting about Freddie Gray since it happened
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 05:23 PM
Apr 2015

and DU hasn't really wanted to "talk" much about it. However, now that some teen-agers decide to "attack" a CVS, suddenly, what's going on in Baltimore is newsworthy.

Something that I'm sure the community learned from Ferguson, suddenly the media was interested in what was going on in Missouri only after the QT got looted. I, for one, see a pattern.

mfcorey1

(11,001 posts)
18. Beecause no one replies to your post does not mean that they are not watching
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 05:33 PM
Apr 2015

and monitoring what is happening.

justiceischeap

(14,040 posts)
23. Saturday, when people were protesting, all anyone on DU wanted to really talk about was
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 05:35 PM
Apr 2015

the correspondent's dinner. I don't care if anyone replies to my post or not. I've seen people ask about the lack of discussion.

justiceischeap

(14,040 posts)
30. Or maybe a look at our lack of reaction on behalf of that community would be a better discussion
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 05:40 PM
Apr 2015

to have. It'd certainly be more productive than just complaining about looting.

Ed Suspicious

(8,879 posts)
24. Right. You already said that. What will? How are you so sure property destruction
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 05:38 PM
Apr 2015

won't bring about change? I'm not disagreeing with you, i just am curious how you can be so certain and what your prescription might be.

Ed Suspicious

(8,879 posts)
42. Because you said so. Got it. If I were an oppressed minority who continues to lose community
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 05:47 PM
Apr 2015

and family members in spite of my best efforts and peaceful protest, I might be tempted to start thinking about what sort of change non-peaceful forms of protests might bring. Is it really that cut and dried to you? If so, why? Tell me it isn't just because you said so.

mfcorey1

(11,001 posts)
45. Bull shit! I know poverty and it never led to looting and stealing. I know many
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 05:50 PM
Apr 2015

people who still know poverty but do not steal and loot. If that were the case then all of America, at this point, would have people stealing and looting and burning. The country would be ablaze.

ohheckyeah

(9,314 posts)
67. This isn't about
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 07:05 PM
Apr 2015

just poverty, it's about an unarmed man being killed by police thugs. There is almost always a day of reckoning.

Chemisse

(30,813 posts)
68. No it doesn't help anything.
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 07:17 PM
Apr 2015

But imagine the sheer desperation and hopelessness that would lead to such rage.

Rather than condemn, try to put yourself in their shoes.

mfcorey1

(11,001 posts)
70. The real people who are frustrated are protesting without violence. These
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 07:24 PM
Apr 2015

looters are teenagers who were dismissed early from school and saw opportunities for some mischief in the form of looting and stealing. Maybe it does not really matter to them that these stores will not return. Oh well. The family of Mr. Gray asked that this not happen. I guess the looters said to hell with what the family wants.

Chemisse

(30,813 posts)
72. Teenagers don't usually see the large picture.
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 07:31 PM
Apr 2015

And they are easily riled to do foolish things.

Still, my teenaged kids would never have done this. Not because they are better kids than these kids, but because they are not festering in a pool of poverty and racism and police brutality.

It's easy to label a person as bad. It takes a little more effort to see things from that person's perspective.

 

AngryAmish

(25,704 posts)
10. Great victim blaming there
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 05:27 PM
Apr 2015

The deeply racist city government of Baltimore provoked this and are solely to blame .

mfcorey1

(11,001 posts)
35. The victim's family asked them to not do this. So, do the wishes of the victims family
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 05:43 PM
Apr 2015

matter? How much good did looting and stealing do in Ferguson? Nothing. Boarded up stores and the same old same old.

Lars39

(26,109 posts)
71. Events occuring are due to a build up of injustice, not just in response to one death.
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 07:28 PM
Apr 2015

People do not riot if they have education, jobs, housing, food, medical care, and hope. You are witnessing the results of severe disenfranchisement of whole communities, where hope for any of these things isn't always in view, let alone existing in their reality.
We are all damaged by this injustice, and we must all help to stop this injustice.

 

ChisolmTrailDem

(9,463 posts)
11. It's ingrained anger that was searching for release. Don't hate
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 05:28 PM
Apr 2015

the players, hate the game that puts certain communities into a paradigm of abject poverty and crushed hopes and dreams.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
13. Of course STOP THE CRIMINAL BEHAVIOR! but let's also STOP THE LEGAL BEHAVIOR that's killing
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 05:30 PM
Apr 2015

people.

When the LEGAL behavior includes disproportionately murdering people because of skin color there must be some realization that the the rules of civil society have ALREADY failed.

This is what total breakdown of social norm looks like. VIOLENCE, injurious, deadly, destructive.

As I remember the Long Hot Summer...it took decades to recover, and in some cases repair to the damage people did in rage to their own community never happened.

bigtree

(85,998 posts)
14. the looters aren't doing it to 'solve the problems of police'
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 05:31 PM
Apr 2015

...they are taking advantage of the unrest for their own opportunistic purposes.

It's a classic mistake to conflate those who are seeking justice and reform in their protests with those who may be reacting out of anger and with those who are just using the relative chaos for their own personal aggrandizement.

appalachiablue

(41,145 posts)
63. Thanks, good to know. National govt. input is needed. Watching CNN, Wolf now and will
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 06:41 PM
Apr 2015

check out local WBAL too.. Something has to done to help this country and people-

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
53. You mean you don't have a clue? He should go before the nation and acknowledge the problem.
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 06:03 PM
Apr 2015

He should then take the steps he can to fix the problem. The President has a lot of power and pull. His DoJ can make it tough on renegade police departments. He can show those being brutalized that he is on their side.

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
59. So he should give a speech?
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 06:20 PM
Apr 2015

Besides giving a speech, what else should he do?

Please be specific.

The DOJ is already investigating.

Pooka Fey

(3,496 posts)
50. ^^^^^^This^^^^^^
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 05:59 PM
Apr 2015

It's past time for the POTUS to step up and deal with this issue of police violence against the public.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
17. The mayor of Baltimore has blamed it on outside agitators coming in to the city to
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 05:33 PM
Apr 2015

stir up trouble. And she herself is black. I trust that she knows her city well.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
39. well, except for the fact that Baltimore has made some good progress up to now...
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 05:46 PM
Apr 2015

so it could very well be that people who want to stir the shit is coming in and disrupting lawful protest.

global1

(25,253 posts)
40. Ultimately It's The Mayor Of Baltimore That Will Get The Blame For Today's Riots......
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 05:46 PM
Apr 2015

You're already starting to see that take shape in some of the reporting going on now by the cable news shows. The police look like they are standing down and not taking charge to defuse the situation. They're just letting these kids - and they are kids - loot, burn and run rampant in the streets.

One commentator said that the Mayor said that they should just let them have some of the city to destroy. I can't believe that statement and I'm afraid that this is all going to come back to bite this poor Mayor of this city.

Almost like that's what the police want to have happen.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
46. It's irresponsible for people to say that about the mayor. She is a very intelligent and
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 05:51 PM
Apr 2015

calm mayor. Exploitation by people who want to make things worse of the city's problem right now is causing extreme pain in that city...

global1

(25,253 posts)
57. Please Don't Think That I'm Blaming The Mayor, I Actually Feel Sorry For Her....
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 06:13 PM
Apr 2015

she wants to do the right thing by her city - but she is caught up in the middle of this and partly because she is black. I'm sure that there will be a lot of white citizens of the city that will be on her case after this and I'm sure that there will be a lot of black citizens on her case as well.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
69. Being a mayor is tough. What you say is true. I admire her for at least trying to
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 07:21 PM
Apr 2015

calm things down and looking for causes in her own city departments...

Iggo

(47,558 posts)
19. Looting a store is in no way equivalent to killing unarmed black men in the street?
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 05:34 PM
Apr 2015

On that we agree.

procon

(15,805 posts)
22. These aren't protest groups.
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 05:35 PM
Apr 2015

The funeral was today and the family asked for a day of prayer with no protests. The community leaders leaders who have been interviewed have all said that these acts of violence are not coming from their groups. These are the same sort of opportunists who always finagle their way into protests to wreck havoc and loot.

To merge the two groups minimizes the death of Freddie Gray.

JCMach1

(27,559 posts)
29. But apparently neither will relying on the system...
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 05:40 PM
Apr 2015

The actions are wrong, but the frustration with the system is real.

 

phil89

(1,043 posts)
38. Well, no.
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 05:46 PM
Apr 2015

No one is forcing these looters to tear down their neighborhood in protest. They are responsible for their actions. Welcome to the adult world.

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
41. Wrong.
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 05:47 PM
Apr 2015

This started when cops threw the rule of law out the window and severed the spine of a young man.

Now we are seeing the consequences.

Criminal behavior sparked criminal behavior.

NoJusticeNoPeace

(5,018 posts)
55. Picky picky picky...dont you know if the victim is AfAm none of that matters! Unless
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 06:05 PM
Apr 2015

the victim's family and neighbors react, then it is really important, cant have that.


Reminder:

Reverse everything, white folks burned down the entire country the FIRST time one of them was lynched for being white.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
43. People are unintentionally trying to remind the police what their main job is.
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 05:49 PM
Apr 2015

I don't condone it either, yet humans always do things for a purpose even if they don't know what that purpose is.

If you have rioting and looting in the streets, chances are the police are not really that good at their jobs?

If the cops and the community are one, you don't ever have rioting or looting.

Simple way that works imo.

 

951-Riverside

(7,234 posts)
44. Of course, the White suburbia solution is sitting down at city/town hall and "discussing" it
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 05:49 PM
Apr 2015

...that aint working anymore.

Look, I don't approve what these looters are doing in any way but its getting attention and maybe it will make an officer think twice before pulling that trigger or beating someone to death.

"Hmmm I could kill this unarmed black guy and cause half of my city to be burned down or I can just arrest him" - Officer A.Whol

 

phil89

(1,043 posts)
66. It's getting attention alright.
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 06:54 PM
Apr 2015

They're destroying important resources in their own neighborhoods, and people are shaking their heads. The cause is being set back by this violent nonsense.

NOLALady

(4,003 posts)
48. Well, that's for sure.
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 05:51 PM
Apr 2015

What do you suggest? What do you think can change the police brutality problem?

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
51. "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 05:59 PM
Apr 2015

~ President John F. Kennedy

NutmegYankee

(16,199 posts)
52. Sometimes riots lead to social change.
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 06:01 PM
Apr 2015

Where would the gay rights movement be without the stonewall riot? Sometimes the straw finally breaks the camel's back...

BlueStater

(7,596 posts)
61. When the Missouri riots happened last year...
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 06:28 PM
Apr 2015

...and many businesses were destroyed, costing who knows how many people their jobs and livelihood, many of the members here responded with stuff like "at least they're not dead like Michael Brown".

This place is a real fucking joke sometimes. I hesitate to call it "Free Republic" bad but it definitely has its moments where it's up there in terms of batshittery.

romanic

(2,841 posts)
64. +1
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 06:45 PM
Apr 2015

Black lives matter, especially those that are still living in these communities AFTER the looting and riots happen.

IcyPeas

(21,889 posts)
62. George H.W. Bush nationally broadcast statement on Rodney King L.A. riots in 1992
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 06:29 PM
Apr 2015

On April 29, 1992, shortly after four white LAPD officers were acquitted in the beating of Rodney King, rioting broke out in Los Angeles. On May 1, President George H. W. Bush delivers a nationally broadcast response to the unrest, which lasted more than a week.

http://www.history.com/topics/us-presidents/george-bush/videos/bush-on-los-angeles-riots

Not a Bush fan, (repeat -- not a Bush fan) but he did come forth with a message to the nation as was discussed above by some posters.

damnedifIknow

(3,183 posts)
65. Police brutality has been going on forever
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 06:46 PM
Apr 2015

Everyone knows this and everyone also knows very few officers get prosecuted. Usually a paid vacation is their form of punishment for most who cross the line into brutality. Change is way past due:

Swedish Police Officers Vacationing in New York Show the NYPD how to do Effective Policing

It’s possible to detain a subject without resorting to lethal weapons at the first opportunity — and four Swedish police officers showed how it was done Wednesday.

The officers — Samuel Kvarzell, Markus Asberg, Eric Jansberger, and Erik Naslund — were riding on uptown No. 6 train to see “Les Miserables” when a fight erupted between two homeless men. The officers responded to the call for help, and a bystander began recording the confrontation on their cell phone."

http://aattp.org/watch-swedish-police-officers-vacationing-in-new-york-show-the-nypd-how-to-do-effective-policing/

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