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DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 10:18 PM Apr 2015

a pox on BOTH rioters AND cops

Unlike some here, I will not lionize the youth that destroyed buildings, but I will not demonize them either. The Cops repsonded with violence first, and apparently showed no fear of the state, not did the state give them any reason to fear. When it becomes clear that the law is NOT going to see you as anythign but a target for bullets, you will want to throw a rock, if nothing else to show that if the state refuses to hold the police accountable, somebody will.

However, let's not whip ourselves into "anarchy is so cool!" bullshit either. The people that will be hurt are not the cops, nor the people that employ the cops, it will be mostly poor people sweeping the streets, and chances are even the local roofers or carpenters will not get paid. Violence may be need in a short term after someone make it clear that they want to be violent with you, however, violence is always deadly in the long term, because it does not actually make people want to stop.

Nothiong will be done, not all the rioting, not all the pretty speechmaking, until someone IN POWER gets fired and disgraced. Those in power have the resources to outlast both the rioters and the "can't we all just get along?" well wishers. We need to have high ranking people FIRED, period, because THAT is the violence power understands and cannot exploit.

This is where Obama and Hillary can earn their paychecks..Call for the FIRING of a chief of Police.

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a pox on BOTH rioters AND cops (Original Post) DonCoquixote Apr 2015 OP
IMHO when a city finds her people rioting it is the fault of the Malraiders Apr 2015 #1
Where's the lionising thread? procon Apr 2015 #2
no authority? DonCoquixote Apr 2015 #3
None. Sorry. procon Apr 2015 #5
it's called PRESSURE DonCoquixote Apr 2015 #7
here is one DonCoquixote Apr 2015 #4
I don't think that says what you think it does. nt procon Apr 2015 #6

Malraiders

(444 posts)
1. IMHO when a city finds her people rioting it is the fault of the
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 10:29 PM
Apr 2015

city government and the local police enforcement tactics.

procon

(15,805 posts)
2. Where's the lionising thread?
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 10:58 PM
Apr 2015

And the "anarchy is so cool!" thread? I can't comment until I understand the backstory for the fascinating bits that you've laid down here.

However, whilst waiting for the gist of your assertions, I will say that even if Obama was a crazy drunk zombie with a half-eaten brain, he would still know that he has no authority to insert himself into what would be a petty human resources decision within a local government. And as a private citizen, Hillary has no more power than you do to demand that someone be fired.

procon

(15,805 posts)
5. None. Sorry.
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 11:27 PM
Apr 2015

Opinions don't replace the law. Any legal actions, like Civil Rights violations, would have to go through the AGs office. On the local level people could vote for different leaders, try a recall, or improbably, keep up enough public pressure to force the police chief out. Even so, given that it's illegaly impossible, there's the predictable blowback that would be heaped on either of them if they even hinted they were going to something that insane, so what would be gained?

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
7. it's called PRESSURE
Tue Apr 28, 2015, 08:40 AM
Apr 2015

which is what infleunces elections. If a Barack or a Hillary were to call for someone's firing, then those who can actually do the firing will realize "hey wait a minute, I know I will need favors from them at some point." The republicans understand this very well,and we need to learn it quick.

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