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http://mic.com/articles/116680/11-stunning-images-highlight-the-double-standard-of-reactions-to-riots-like-baltimoreYou'll have to follow the link to see the actual images, but here's some of the text:
This has become an evergreen narrative in the aftermath of reactions to state-sanctioned violence against black people. But that it persists sends a troubling message about how officials and, by extension, many of the people they serve regard rioting: specifically, when there's white people involved versus mostly black people.
Usually, if a riot involves black people, it's connected to intense episodes of where systemic racism is undoubtedly at work. These episodes include the 1992 Los Angeles riots after the Rodney King beating verdict, the riots in Oakland after the 2009 BART Police shooting of Oscar Grant, and the national outcry immediately following the 1968 assassination of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. That outcry included the city of Baltimore, where blacks now represent roughly 2 out of 3 residents.
But when a mob of mostly white people take to the streets, vandalizing cars, storefronts and street signs in the process it usually means someone either won or lost a game.
As Mic's Zak Cheney-Rice noted in January, these rioters are usually called "revelers," "celebrants" and "fans." They're not even called "rioters" in many cases. They're not derided as "criminals," "thugs," "pigs" or even "violent." Those descriptors, as events in Baltimore Monday night revealsyet again, are only reserved for black people. They're the ones who need to be quelled by militarized police forces. They're the ones who need to be off the streets, immediately. They're diminishing the validity of their cause. Yet, somehow, reckless behavior over a sports team, not a systemic matter of life and death, is viewed as a costly nuisance.
hatrack
(59,587 posts)Thank you - perfect.
Travis_0004
(5,417 posts)notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)I'm not seeing it here in this thread.
Ms. Toad
(34,075 posts)(There were multiple similar threads last night. I just picked one of them.)
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)Suggesting that perhaps the authorities may learn something from it -is not the same as defending the action.
Ms. Toad
(34,075 posts)Nothing else has. Now the cops are the ones scared. Good. Maybe they'll remember this fear the next time they think about murdering a man for nothing.
Like I said, I WENT THROUGH A RIOT IN 92. THE AREA IS BETTER AND NICER THAT BEFORE WE TORCHED IT. We even got a train line put in near my old place. Fuck money, lives matter more than your stupid economics. We need people to have money. Nothing matters more than your fellow man. Not even your 'valuable' property.
I lost shit in the riots in LA TOO. I'm doing much better, now. Thanks. Everyone was insured. The businesses are better now.
Looks to me like endorsing rioting. I don't see any fair reading of that exchange, particularly the bolded phrases, other than endorsing rioting.
spinbaby
(15,090 posts)Too many here confuse understanding the violence with condoning the violence.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)Lil Missy
(17,865 posts)Such threads and posts were rampant last night. It was disgusting.
Edit: Monday night, that is
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)Not implying that you don't, but many others here seem not to have one.
DetlefK
(16,423 posts)I'm a foreigner, so I'm not that familiar with domestic history of the US.
When was the last time a group of predominantly white people rioted and it was because of something more important than sports?
gollygee
(22,336 posts)I made a post about that. "More important than sports" but shameful and racist. There have been lots of white race riots.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026580664
DetlefK
(16,423 posts)But I guess, the labor riots in the early 20th century count, too.
ieoeja
(9,748 posts)2 Sep 1885 - rioting Whites kill 28 Chinese, burn down 75 homes
31 May - 1 Jun 1921 - Whites destroy the wealthiest Black community in the United States killing up to 300, wounding over 800 and leaving 10,000 homeless
23 Jan 1923 - Whites destroy the entire African-American city of Rosewood, FL
For some strange reason I could not find a single instance of bankers taking to the street in anger. I guess that means they are just better people than the rest of us.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)There would have been plenty of defenders had DU been around.
There were defenders of subsequent anti- and alternative globalization protest actions, so Travis is largely wrong in his judgment above.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)1999.
hatrack
(59,587 posts)Lot less hot-n-bothered when it's Sacred Holy Sports as the proximate cause.
You know, as opposed to people being fatally shot and beaten to death by cops as the proximate cause.
n2doc
(47,953 posts)Said it wasn't a riot and nothing to be alarmed about. I suspect a search about previous sports riots will reveal some similar sentiments.
enki23
(7,789 posts)Instead of rioting over a legitimate grievance.
And then there's the fact that people *do* defend them. Mostly implicitly, by doing things like forgoing the decision to call them all "thugs" and "animals" and more importantly by not using the rioting as excuse to come down yet harder against the civil rights of white communities. It's not that fucking hard to understand this.
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)But it's no surprise at some point. We started a revolution against the British after they shit on us for years. Were you shocked and dismayed when you learned about that in elementary school history class as well?
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)stupid fucking game and not something important like, oh, getting murdered by the pigs for no reason.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)bemildred
(90,061 posts)There are better examples of "white riots", but it's hard to think of one with more effect, and it surely was illegal.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)Not as exactly similar.
But putting incidents on a spectrum.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)... or sad and drunk. Not when they are angry.
Now do you understand?
underpants
(182,829 posts)To the point that there is a city ordinance against it. Doesn't matter big win or big loss in (insert sport) couches got torched.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)spinbaby
(15,090 posts)Boy do I miss those college days. I was involved in many a "white" Sunnyside riot.
Vinca
(50,278 posts)yesphan
(1,588 posts)Snip>
Then on July 29,1932, troops did storm several buildings that the veterans were occupying as well as their main camp, setting tents on fire and forcing an evacuation. When it was over, one veteran had been killed and about 50 veterans and Washington police had been injured in various confrontations.
RobinA
(9,893 posts)the point being made here. We've got a bunch of pictures picked to illustrate white guys burning things when sports teams win. Or something. White guys rioting is stupid, blacks guys rioting is stupid, any other guys rioting is stupid. Stupidity knows no racial boundaries?
hatrack
(59,587 posts)As Mic's Zak Cheney-Rice noted in January, these rioters are usually called "revelers," "celebrants" and "fans." They're not even called "rioters" in many cases. They're not derided as "criminals," "thugs," "pigs" or even "violent." Those descriptors, as events in Baltimore Monday night revealsyet again, are only reserved for black people. They're the ones who need to be quelled by militarized police forces. They're the ones who need to be off the streets, immediately. They're diminishing the validity of their cause. Yet, somehow, reckless behavior over a sports team, not a systemic matter of life and death, is viewed as a costly nuisance.
Pathwalker
(6,598 posts)Every time Michigan state wins or loses in the Final Four, there's a freaking riot. The press calls them riots, the tv calls them riots, the police call them riots. One year they burned 2 cop cars, people get injured, couches, chairs, lawn furniture gets stolen and burned. People get arrested and end up doing time for...RIOTING. And, the students say SPARTY ON! They riot when they lose, they riot when they win.
longship
(40,416 posts)nxylas
(6,440 posts)If you actually wanted to see the point being made (white people burning stuff are revellers, black people burning stuff are rioters), I'm sure you'd find it easy enough.
I never heard of rioting white (or black) sports fans being called revelers. I think of all street mayhem-causers of this ilk as thugs, whether they are black or white, fans or otherwise. The point being made may well be valid, but it's not made very convincingly here.
Dawgs
(14,755 posts)Unless the point is to show cops going overboard.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)mopinko
(70,127 posts)the penn state riots were about more than sports. they were about a white sports celebrity being held accountable for despicable crimes.
mountain grammy
(26,624 posts)mopinko
(70,127 posts)for some people.
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)For them, that "victory" lasts forever.
I had someone say that white people "only riot for a couple of hours, so it's different" on facebook today. Ugh.
mopinko
(70,127 posts)RockaFowler
(7,429 posts)That lasted almost 2 days
Selective memory with some people on Facebook today.
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)I've cut ties with 5 idiots so far today. You are right about memory. All of them were high school friends who aren't racist, but...
PatrynXX
(5,668 posts)during the Otter whatever river races met drunk people and the aftermath of red eyed high schoolers the next day smh happened alot till the canceled the river races or whatever. But 1992 maybe April they got tear gassed . at a Lutheran high school they were all WHITE.
ironically though the one guy on Unsolved Mysteries who I later watched his arraignment during a field trip because he set a car on fire... he was black , tough lesson of being about 17 yrs old and the room was so packed the cops shove people out of the way in the door. (me) I had no where to back up to. so I got caught up in that one. What happened to the big story of the KY riots after UK lost to WI
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)shoot to kill, yet......?
cause i saw the whole video. my son only got the cops retreating.
i told son. watch the beginning where these big grown men are hurtling the rocks back at the others. ony they had shields helmets and other to protect them. who they threw the rocks at had nothing.
they didnt show that part of the video. said a hell of a lot, on film.
DreamSmoker
(841 posts)I could not help noticing that there are no Old Folks in any of those pics..
NONE.......... All appear young with a few middle age Men in the mix...
McKim
(2,412 posts)I was there and all I saw were 100,000 people in groups marching to shut down the WTO. A few kids threw rocks at a Starbucks window and wanted us to join them. We didn't. This was no riot. But it was a large, large group of people who understood the meaning of what the WTO was doing to America and they weren't going to stand for it.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)If you had all been African American, that would have been called a riot.
gopiscrap
(23,761 posts)how we phrase things, really sets the narrative! And often it is done deliberately!!
spanone
(135,844 posts)progressoid
(49,991 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)Amazing...this was a year after I was born! Just...wow...
malaise
(269,054 posts)Wait - you need tons of money to afford tickets
More white privilege