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cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
Tue Apr 28, 2015, 07:23 PM Apr 2015

Those seeking employment as Law Enforcement Officers should be held to a higher standard than those

merely subject to the law.

By the same token; lawmakers and those involved in enforcing their laws should be punished more severely when they are found to have broken the law than others who run afoul of the same laws.

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Those seeking employment as Law Enforcement Officers should be held to a higher standard than those (Original Post) cherokeeprogressive Apr 2015 OP
Yes.nt bravenak Apr 2015 #1
Take an oath? You must adhere to it. ScreamingMeemie Apr 2015 #2
I agree with most of your post with the exception of allowing an LEO to keep his/her job... cherokeeprogressive Apr 2015 #4
In a better world, you're quite correct MrScorpio Apr 2015 #3
Sad, and true. Especially the last sentence. n/t cherokeeprogressive Apr 2015 #5
Their business model is not original. hifiguy Apr 2015 #7
A Standard does not flex for anyone seveneyes Apr 2015 #6
I find the variable to be not in the application of the law, but the application of the punishment. cherokeeprogressive Apr 2015 #9
Agree. cwydro Apr 2015 #8
That pesky 14th amendment (equal protection clause.) X_Digger Apr 2015 #10
From your link: "the laws of a state must treat an individual in the same manner..." cherokeeprogressive Apr 2015 #11
Lol, nice try. Conditions and circumstances doesn't mean their job. X_Digger Apr 2015 #12
Well, thanks for the permission I guess. n/t cherokeeprogressive Apr 2015 #13
Yes madokie Apr 2015 #14
The Catch 22 Solution. I kinda like that. cherokeeprogressive Apr 2015 #15

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
2. Take an oath? You must adhere to it.
Tue Apr 28, 2015, 07:25 PM
Apr 2015

Shoot an unarmed suspect/innocent person? Whether or not you are indicted or cleared, you're removed from that precinct/neighborhood/region (or even street detail) for the remainder of your career.

Psychological testing and acceptance of those who show above-average levels of empathy.

Things would change.

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
4. I agree with most of your post with the exception of allowing an LEO to keep his/her job...
Tue Apr 28, 2015, 07:30 PM
Apr 2015

after shooting an unarmed citizen. I can only think of one or two situations where that could fly with me.

MrScorpio

(73,631 posts)
3. In a better world, you're quite correct
Tue Apr 28, 2015, 07:30 PM
Apr 2015

However, what we're dealing with now is the fact that law enforcement is being run like a racket. A racket which preys predominantly on the weak and poor. A racket which is backed up by the power and height of institutional authority.

It's sort of like we're expecting a ravenous predator to be honorable.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
7. Their business model is not original.
Tue Apr 28, 2015, 07:34 PM
Apr 2015

The Mob has been using it for more than a century. Right down to the omerta.

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
9. I find the variable to be not in the application of the law, but the application of the punishment.
Tue Apr 28, 2015, 07:39 PM
Apr 2015

The law itself need only be written one way, and applied to the entire group.

Sub-group A (let's say everyone who ISN'T a lawmaker or enforcer) gets punishment A.

Sub-group B (every lawmaker and enforcer) gets punishment B.

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
11. From your link: "the laws of a state must treat an individual in the same manner..."
Tue Apr 28, 2015, 07:54 PM
Apr 2015

"as others in similar conditions and circumstances." I don't see LEO's as being in similar conditions and circumstances as me.

"Generally, the question of whether the equal protection clause has been violated arises when a state grants a particular class of individuals the right to engage in an activity yet denies other individuals the same right. There is no clear rule for deciding when a classification is unconstitutional. The Supreme Court has dictated the application of different tests depending on the type of classification and its effect on fundamental rights. (emphasis mine) Traditionally, the Court finds a state classification constitutional if it has "a rational basis" to a "legitimate state purpose." The Supreme Court, however, has applied more stringent analysis in certain cases. It will "strictly scrutinize" a distinction when it embodies a "suspect classification." In order for a classification to be subject to strict scrutiny, it must be shown that the state law or its administration is meant to discriminate. Usually, if a purpose to discriminate is found the classification will be strictly scrutinized if it is based on race, national origin, or, in some situations, non U.S. citizenship (the suspect classes). In order for a classification to be found permissible under this test it must be proven, by the state, that there is a compelling interest to the law and that the classification is necessary to further that interest. The Court will also apply a strict scrutiny test if the classification interferes with fundamental rights such as first amendment rights, the right to privacy, or the right to travel. The Supreme Court also requires states to show more than a rational basis (though it does not apply the strictly scrutiny test) for classifications based on gender or a child's status as illegitimate."

X_Digger

(18,585 posts)
12. Lol, nice try. Conditions and circumstances doesn't mean their job.
Tue Apr 28, 2015, 07:59 PM
Apr 2015

There is no classification for 'lawmakers and LEOs' that would justify separate laws that would pass strict scrutiny.

Lawmakers and LEOs are citizens (fuck the LEOs who call non-LEO 'citizens'-- they're not military) just like the rest of us schmucks.

Feel free to start a petition.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
14. Yes
Tue Apr 28, 2015, 08:06 PM
Apr 2015

without a doubt about that
If a person who really really wants to be a cop they should by no means be allowed to become one, simple as that.
After I read what I just typed I'm conflicted about that in the fact that there is those who are good people who are cops, I know a few
Peace

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
15. The Catch 22 Solution. I kinda like that.
Tue Apr 28, 2015, 08:23 PM
Apr 2015

Long time no see okie. I hope all is well with you. I just went back to work five months after having my right shoulder reconstructed. Good to be useful again, but not happy about being back at work LOL.

Hey if you ever see Lloyd, ask him about his Uncle Billy... the Homicide Detective. He'll have stories... All good though.

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