All I've seen is temper tantrums from the anti-Hillary crowd.

You are not even allowed to promote third party candidates here.

Bernie caucuses with us and will become a Democrat to run in our primary.

Glad to welcome him fully into the party and as a candidate for President.

Democrat, no matter what.

This way he cant jeopardize Hillary or any other Democratic candidate.

So it is VERY easy to support Bernie and still support the party.

Now I have seen ENDLESS attacks of Hillary here, all day everyday, ENDLESS

but not so much against Bernie

Who is throwing the temper tantrum?

Cognitive dissonance isn't just for Teabaggers and Republicans anymore.

shrug

You see only that with which you already agree with. Sorry that it upsets you to have the painfully obvious pointed out.

They're petrified!

Go Bernie!!

Pretty sure everyone here would love Bernie. Some questioning his electability isn't a temper tantrum or being terrified.

About your claim that thousands don't know who Bernie Sanders was?

Funny!

And you know that not only Dems watch the WHCD, right? Too funny.

What locked thread? When did it get locked? And WTf if it did

On edit, yah I see it was locked.

You forgot to mention Independents. Btw, you realize I was sticking up for Bernie by saying Obama did him a favor by mentioning his name.

You support Bernie? And you were "sticking up for him" by saying Obama was doing him a favour??

His political positions can only help him, no? Not everyone in America even knows who our VP is, let alone some senator from Vermont.

BUT...I will also defend against strawman posts like this op that only aims to divide us and usher in a Republican president.

What is your "Sig line"?

Hillary supporters? I don't think so.

Cheers!!!

there was not "gotcha moment" to be had. Actually it is a pathetic debate tactic that doesn't afford you any credibility.

if you wanted a two way private convo, you should have used PM.

But you nonchalantly mention it was not your post? Lol!!!!

my initial response to you was for this very same tactic you attempted to pull on two other posters. You attempt to portray some sort of stand that was never verbalized.

I don't have to agree to any other persons statement when responding to your post. It's not a difficult concept to grasp.

I am merely recognizing your attempt to box in persons to statments they never made, and your inability to debate properly and with some sense of decency. oh and lol right back at you...the fucking joke continues.

Why are you replying for other posters ,then personally attacking me? Nevermind. I won't alert on you, but probably someone else will.

Good luck.

They see Bernie as a threat.

Some good examples of exactly that in this thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4356791

In fact I think a person jumping into a party just to run for POTUS is not a "threat" at all.

nt

is directly confrontational:

You act as if you're scared and as if Bernie has no business running. And you're wrong and this is what you look like:

That similar phrase has been said a thousand times about Hillary on DU. Thicker skin.

It seems, "Don't be so defensive" will be the newest and trendiest response to different opinions for the next week or so.

Sanders deserves more cogent supporters, and less strawman constructors.

Sad way to make a case for your candidate.

Chances reduced by half??

Oh, I get it, because there used to be one candidate and now there are two....which isn't actually correct math either.

Bring in the "black and white hat " meme?? Pugh , so much more enlightening!!

Silly posts get silly replies. Sorry.

Sure, there are Bernie and Warren supporters who are NOT liberals or Democrats but are rightwing libertarians who would much rather see Bush as prez than Hillary, and we are having a heck of a time exposing them here, but they ARE here.

AT the same time there are well meaning Bernie supporters like myself, who acknowledge that his run is less about him winning, though that would be wonderful, and more about his changing the conversation that the others then are forced to engage in.

I want him to run and win, but I also know that if he loses to Hillary he will AGGRESSIVELY support her, know why?

Because he is a SENATOR, he knows how vile and disgusting the right is.

Anyone who supports Bernie but attacks Hillary, I dont think they are going to support her if she wins, and I dont know why they are here.

And how I think the two candidates will work together.

I don't think either attacks the other, at least not directly. And I think debates between the two could be a wonderful and substantive discussion of different liberal and progressive visions and would contrast VERY WELL with the nonsense we would see in Republican debates.

to cause nothing but misery and death.

candidate. I'm a fan of Bernies.

But I am also able to dispassionately analyze races. You might want to try that.

You should delete.

NO BUSH NO CLINTON-



DUCKS!

were dismissive or clearly unhappy with his candidacy.

I've been hoping Bernie would run from the getgo from the reasons I already articulated.

so anti-semitic dog whistles don't count. got it.

and there is a lot of fit throwing in my long thread about how VT doesn't have registration by party. A lot. I expect you to be in denial about that too.

What you refer to seems to me to be pretty routine disagreement.

I saw the comment you referred to about Jews. As a Jew, I would say it was unfortunate, and I hope that poster rethinks that comment and removes it, but still not quite indicative of "a fit". I think it more belongs in the category of a micro-aggression that has been much discussed on DU lately.

Sanders won't have the party support he'll need but he brings so much value to the whole process.

Are you speaking of DU? And if so, why would you feel the need to taunt your fellow DUers?

Links?

This is how John Boehner got his start

And you're making it kind of obvious that your support for Bernie is just to spite others, not to really support him.

Is post after post saying good, nice things about lBernie. I don't see "anyone" trashing him. Since you don't have "time" to post links to all those threads, I guess I will just ignore what you are saying.

not vote for him" comments. Those are what I'm referring to. As if Bernie doesn't have any business running as a Democrat.

Clinton supporters should welcome a Sanders candidacy. First, it will create something of a contest, making it appear Clinton actually had to do something to get the nomination, and was not just "anointed and appointed." Second, it will give Clinton a chance to run toward the middle, although she probably doesn't want to do that until the primaries are over. The Republicans are notorious for this, pandering to the extreme fringe elements in the primaries, then quickly forgetting they promised an Patriot missile battery to every NRA member when the general rolls around. Sanders will give Clinton a chance to craft a message that attracts the broadest range of Democrats and independents, while not scaring moderate Republicans (all 19 of them) too badly. Of course, her campaign machine doesn't like this because they wanted to be unopposed in the primary and save all their money for the general. If Clinton is smart, she'll welcome Sanders with open arms and talk about how delighted she is to see democracy in action, etc.

I only sign in on rare occasions but your post is a remarkable breath of fresh air and political wisdom.
Please consider reposting it as an OP.
Thank you for posting it.

I'm seeing a lot of people welcoming Senator Sanders into the race. I'm seeing a few people saying that they don't think he can win the nomination. I'm seeing a few saying he probably wouldn't win in the General Election. I'm not seeing anyone saying he shouldn't run. Are you sure you're seeing "anti-Bernie" posts? Maybe you could link to some of them for us.

only one seeing this. LovingA2andMI describes it well enough it here...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026586753

favorite candidates in such elections. As I said, I'm seeing lots of people welcoming Senator Sanders into the race, including many who are Hillary supporters. Your claim is incorrect, and you can't supply links that support it. There's no "anti-Bernie" crowd on DU or anywhere else. There are people who support other candidates and who campaign for them. That's "pro-someone" not "anti-Bernie."

The claim is simply not true.

not a Democrat. I don't see anyone bashing Bernie and that's not what my OP is about. But there are some obvious signs that some are panicked by Bernie jumping in. And I think that's precisely because of fear that Bernie is actually loved enough to perhaps give Hillary a run for her money.

I would be glad to edit my headline from "anti-Bernie". You're pretty good with words, any suggestion?

If Senator Sanders runs in the Democratic primaries, then he is running as a Democrat. That's pretty simple. People who are Democrats will be voting in those primaries. If he gets the nomination, then he'll be on the ballot as a Democrat.

Nobody's panicked at all. Nobody. The process is simply beginning for choosing the Democratic nominee. If you prefer Senator Sanders above the other candidates, then it's time to start posting positive things about him. He's got a long, hard road ahead of him if he plans to win the nomination. It sure as heck won't be easy.

But nobody's panicking. Let the primary campaigning begin and we'll find out who the nominee is at the Democratic National Convention next year.

a repeat of Hillary's defeat in 2008. It's just an overview observation of what I've seen since the news broke that Bernie is jumping in.

I have plenty to do for legislative races in Minnesota. I have said numerous times that if Bernie Sanders is on the Minnesota primary ballot, he'll have my vote. I've also said that I expect him to have dropped out of the race before MN's late primary. I will also caucus for him in Minnesota in our precinct caucuses and district conventions, but I'm never going to be able to go to the national convention as a delegate, so that won't make a lot of difference.

So, right now, I don't have a candidate for President in 2016. I will after the national convention, and then I'll be in full support of whoever the nominee is. From what I've seen so far, I expect it to be Hillary Clinton. It seems to me to be very, very unlikely that Senator Sanders will get the nomination, but I wish him success, and will vote for him if his name is on my primary ballot.

If one supports Hillary, one has to be "anti" anyone else? This is a primary.

these Hillary supporters are upset? Sort of peeved?

I don't see even that.

It's just as ineffective here as it is elsewhere, though.

About the "no party registration" that seems to confuse some here.
In reading through replies I learned neither Minn or.Vt has elections based on party affiliations.
I know each state has a robust party so while there are parties elections are non partisan?
And voters do not declare.an affiliation when registering to vote?
I would think an OP on this would be helpful in ending a lot of the confusions of everyone
Sorry if this reads poorly I'm mobile.and my glasses are......somewhere.

I don't have the link handy. It doesn't matter. If Sanders enters the Democratic primaries, he is a Democrat. Not all states require declarations of party affiliation. It just doesn't matter. His intentions are what matter.

I simply don't think Sanders' sudden switch to Dem will result in a win in the Primaries. It's my personal opinion, I'm entitled to it, and I'm sticking with the idea that if Sanders switches, he cannot win the Dem nomination. Too many people in the entire voting constituency will evade someone who switched at the 11th hour. It's just a losing proposition and I will not spend my time and effort supporting a candidacy that cannot get the Dems to the Whitehouse. Don't get me wring, I understand his voting record and enjoy his push back to the Republican agenda, his current party affiliation is like an albatross hanging around his neck.

I'm not the one whol labelled every single person as having a "fit" because they don't support Sanders for POTUS. What a fucking joke of a reply

sink like anvils in a lake.

You were finally able to use that video that has been sitting in your bookmarks collecting dust. Bernie Sanders is a respectable person. Regardless of how his campaign goes, he will still be a voice for those that have none.

It's easy to make a 'there' post even when there is no 'there'.

... in this thread.

You do understand that people can read the comments, and see that for themselves? That renders your post rather silly, doesn't it?

... given that the only one being "concerned" here is you.

Hillary's not going to just cakewalk it. She has to earn it.

Bernie will also have to earn it, but he already knows that.

"not a Democrat". I think some of what you're saying is the impetus for these types of comments. Hillary supporters know she will now have her work cut out for her and that makes some people very nervous considering the last go-around.

"Unelectable! Unelectable! Unelectable! Unelectable! Unelectable! Unelectable! Unelectable! Unelectable!"

As far as he being "not a Democrat", all he has to do is file his paperwork and call himself a Democrat on the paperwork, and he's a Democrat.

And to be blunt, he's far more of a Democrat than all the DINOs we've had to deal with: Joe Lieberman, Mary Landrieu, Ben Nelson, Zell Miller, etc. etc.

People, including Sanders himself say he's a democratic socialist? That's why I'm voting for him.

then will repost after the second to third polling numbers.

Funny how it seems its the "progressives" being divisive while the other progressives just want to win the damn election.

Discussing position differences between candidates is healthy debate.

co-founding the Progressive Caucus, which is today the largest Democratic Caucus in the Untied States Congress.
Webb, Chafee and Warren were all Republicans in 1992.
And it's Bernie I'm supposed to be skeptical of in terms of his Democratic standing? Pretty hilarious.

are the few big babies that you aptly describe, I am only mentioning this because some Hillary supporters appear to be taking your statement as singling out Hillary supporters and falsely claiming you are unfairly targeting them all for the few that are acting like babies.

I don't know why they think it'a all about them, or that arguing hat many if not most Hillary supporters are acting like Maggie and Vannila with their tantrums somehow negates the obvious truth you are posting.

There are too many that feel everything is about her, everything is about them, I think they are simply emulating one narcissistic personality and taking on some traits.



I like the supporters of her that argue policy in good faith, some of which have voiced a great deal of support for him running. Then there are the babies that think politics is personal and or about personalities, a cult of personality if you will it's all about them, all about her. They are embarrassing themselves in most Bernie posts, to clarify, they are few in number and are typified by Maggie and Vanilla, and those few should just grow up. Politics is about policies and how they affect the lives of all of us, especially the sub middle class, which are nowadays the invisible majority in this country that are left behind and growing poorer by the day.

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of clinton?

cause i am telling you. sanders is respected and liked so consistently that i would hope the sander supporters do not use this as their means to gain ground.

there are so many better ways.

we are seeing it all over the board, also. not subjective here.

The claim has been made repeatedly, and it's a red herring.

At this point there are legitimate concerns about a Sanders candidacy, regardless of the correctness of his views or his commendable history of service.

To reduce those concerns to "running scared," or to attempt to preempt the discussion by claiming certain views are off-limits ("Bernie isn't a Democrat" or "Bernie is unelectable&quot is to be blind to political reality.

I haven't seen many people here arguing that Sanders isn't a Democrat, so that's a straw man. As for "Bernie is unelectable," well, I haven't seen many compelling refutations of that view.


I admire Sanders and respect him profoundly. That's doesn't mean that I think that he's a viable presidential candidate, however.

its just THAT simple....Unless he calls himself a Democrat (like Senator Patrick Leahy from Vermont does) then he STILL isn't one!

Nt

If Vermont's Patrick Leahy can do so....so can Bernie Sanders...

Actions that actually make a difference in peoples lives.

I have a serious question for you though.

Which of Sen. Sanders' votes or positions are antithetical or inconsistent with the Democratic Party?

They've said they won't vote for him if he runs in the General if he's an IND.

But then, you wouldn't have any outrage to foment.

It has brought about some humor though. Nothing as funny as the op, but humor none the less.

Plenty of "not having a fit", fits

Loads of "not afraid of Bernie"....
and I'll keep posting that idea
to prove it

Thanks for the laughs

NO ONE IS HAVING A FIT!
Damn you Bernie!!!!!11!!!1!

They are the ones who wring their hands over Bernie. Fortunately, they are a relatively small crowd. Loud, but small.

I have always enjoyed watching them attempt to defend the indefensible when it comes to attacking Bernie while lamenting the 'Third Way®' Always good for a laugh.

to Your candidate is unelectable in the Real World of Real World Realists.

He'll bring up topics that will make Hillary Clinton look like the Wall Street candidate she is.

They don't think he has a chance in hell of actually winning the nomination, but if there's a candidate on stage who isn't using the accepted, corporate framing of every topic, Hillary cannot appear to be on the left.

Perhaps he'll tell us when that happened, and why, and what took so long.

It might be that he can make a case for erasing the boundaries of party altogether, or give reasons for the Democratic Party to follow HIM, and that would be extremely cool.