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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsJust saw a poll on MSNBC that said 81% of Democrats
Support Hillary. I guess the other 19% are posting on DU!
WilliamPitt
(58,179 posts)wyldwolf
(43,870 posts)When I was in college during the early 90s, 70s Southern Rock band Lynyrd Skynyrd announced a new album release. A buddy of mine, a huge Skynyrd fan, was absolutely convinced the album would be a major success. Him and all his friends back home loved them and he couldn't fathom how people couldn't.
When the album sunk like a stone in Billboard magazine, he wrote if off as bias against the band, not that taste in popular music among record buyers didn't include much southern rock.
Lochloosa
(16,073 posts)That was a cover band playing as LS.
I saw the real band in 75.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)Lochloosa
(16,073 posts)zappaman
(20,606 posts)AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)That fat idiot! And his stupid wife! (I made some waistcoats for that refrigerator, so met the wife too)
One really stupid and unfathomable hit made up of riffs from other songs.... just dreadful!
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)The others in race are going to have to quit speaking in terms of memes and talking points....because someone is going to be doing some truth telling.
Insulting comments only do harm to your candidate, not ours.
wyldwolf
(43,870 posts)The irony in that statement...
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)People are hurting. After 2003 I learned that not everyone from VT speaks truth...some used us.
Win or lose, things are changing. People are hurting.
There is no irony in my statement. Just very thankful to hear some truth from someone who means it and has lived it during his career.
I do not intend to attack Hillary during the primaries. I will vote for her rather than a Republican should it become necessary.
wyldwolf
(43,870 posts)Really, doesn't this seem all to familiar to you?
'Progressives' repeat all manner of right wing talking points about candidate A, react in shocking disgust when anything resembling criticism is aimed at their guy?
How did Josh Marshall put it back in the day?
"My own feeling is that the only real Democrats are those who will support the party's eventual nominee, end of story. There is an awfully distressing tendency among a minority of Dean supporters to serve up no end of lacerating comments about other candidates and then to react with a sort of stunned and outraged shock when anyone criticizes their guy. It's the flip side of seeing the race in such heroic, if not messianic dimensions."
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)It's condescending to those of us who caught on to the deliberate efforts to leave most of us out of the party by pretending we are not worthy.
Keep it up. Will work in our favor.
wyldwolf
(43,870 posts)You're complaining about phantom efforts to 'deliberately leave you out of the party' yet are backing someone who currently is not in the party by his own choice.
But back to my original point - many Sanders supporters simply cannot fathom how people aren't on board - and they're using right wing efforts against Clinton and denying scientific poll results.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)Progressives' repeat all manner of right wing talking points about candidate A, react in shocking disgust when anything resembling criticism is aimed at their guy?
You're complaining about phantom efforts to 'deliberately leave you out of the party' yet are backing someone who currently is not in the party by his own choice.
These are your two allegations in your own words.
So any criticism of Hillary Clinton is a right wing talking point, or should we check in with the Hillary Clinton group as to what we can criticize her on?
Sanders IS indeed in the party by his own choice as he is running as a Democrat. Please provide any proof to the contrary. Is someone holding a gun to Bernie's head? Are they blackmailing him? Please let me know exactly how you came across this information?
I appreciate your thoughtful non-answers in advance.
Note: I have not decided for sure I am supporting Sanders, but have said I am open to supporting him.
wyldwolf
(43,870 posts)Why, yes they are.
For someone who made an effort to quote my exact words, you're wrong out of the gate. Quote me now where I said ANY criticism is a right wing talking point.
What you should do is check the sources the talking points are coming from. Over the last several weeks we've seen "progressives" quoting Karl Rove, Newsmax, the Clinton Cash book, etc.
Sanders is a lifelong independent (or Democratic Socialist) running as a Democrat out of necessity. He found no reason to run for Senate as a Democrat. But your contention - I guess - is anyone who says they are a Democrat is a Democrat. Is that correct? Can I quote you?
Sanders has made quite the effort in the past to distance himself from the Democratic party. Other than the fact he's turned down endorsements from the Democratic party in the past and being self described non-Democrat, there may still be some legalities involved with being on the ballot as a Democrat while serving in the Senate as a non-Democrat.
http://digital.vpr.net/post/how-will-bernie-sanders-officially-become-democrat
I appreciate your spin, dodge and weaving in advance.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)*That worked for Republican Arlen Specter who, within months of changing the letter after his name, received the backing of the White House and the DSCC.
*It worked for Lincoln Chaffe.
*Most of all it worked for Joe Lieberman after his treachery at the convention.
The Democrats Senators gave him a standing ovation when he changed the letter back to a "D" without changing anything else.
NONE of the above renounced or repudiated ANY of the Republican Platform, or Talking Points, or Conservatism, before changing the letter after their name to a "D".
[font color=firebrick][center]"There are forces within the Democratic Party who want us to sound like kinder, gentler Republicans.
I want a party that will STAND UP for Working Americans."
---Paul Wellstone [/font][/center] [center] [/font]
[font size=1]photo by bvar22
Shortly before Sen Wellstone was killed[/center][/font]
wyldwolf
(43,870 posts)I just want to be sure the other poster feels that way. Do you?
bvar22
(39,909 posts)I don't know how the "other poster" feels.
I suggest you ask the other poster.
What was the relevance of your reply?
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)while getting corporate money.
I have not attacked Hillary, and I won't. I will likely vote for the primary winner.
Save your wrath for someone else.
wyldwolf
(43,870 posts)Save yours.
uponit7771
(90,367 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/nbcwsj-poll-hillary-takes-hit-still-bests-gop-competition
LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)I.E. How Large was the Sample, How was the Sample Determined, What are the Demographics (Age, Race, Income) of the Sample?
If this information is not shared, no offense but this poll with worth nothing or better yet, is a BS Poll.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)A lot of people don't know much about Bernie. Wait until they have heard him a few times.
A lot of people will switch to Bernie Sanders.
I have to ask also whether not only Bernie but Elizabeth Warren were on the list.
still_one
(92,454 posts)actually election, a polls is a snapshot at a particular time, assuming the sampling was done correctly, and if other polls give similar results then mostly that snapshot is correct at that time
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)Nowhere.....
The resource cannot be found.
Description: HTTP 404. The resource you are looking for (or one of its dependencies) could have been removed, had its name changed, or is temporarily unavailable. Please review the following URL and make sure that it is spelled correctly.
Requested URL: /i/MSNBC/Sections/A_Politics/SECTION_More_Politics/V215179 NBC-WSJ APRIL Poll"
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)"All of that information [about Clinton] made no fundamental difference to Democratic primary voters," says McInturff, the GOP pollster.
http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/despite-sustaining-hits-hillary-clinton-remains-formidable-2016-nbc-wsj-n353386
PosterChild
(1,307 posts)The parens screws up the link unless you hand encode them.
LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)"The NBC/WSJ poll was conducted April 26-30 of 1,000 adults (including more than 350 by cell phone), and it has an overall margin of error of plus-minus 3.1 percentage points. The margin of error among the 273 Democratic primary voters is plus-minus 5.9 percentage points."
Now, sorry to bust the Hillarynites bubble but a margin of error of plus or minus 5.9% is NOT a reliable sample worth anything of mentioning on a so-called "News" channel --- unless said "News" channel is Channeling Faux News.
Also, the number of the sample group of Democrats is UNEVEN 273. For the purposes of a valid statistical poll, the sample group should ALWAYS be made of a EVEN number (500, 1000, 600, etc.)
With that, sorry but I call BS on MSNBC/Wall Street Journal's Poll.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)Peter D. Hart is one of the leading analysts of public opinion in the United States. Since 1971, he has been Chairman of Peter D. Hart Research Associates.
As an established leader in survey research, Mr. Hart, along with the late Robert Teeter, and currently with Bill McInturff of Public Opinion Strategies, have been the pollsters for NBC News and The Wall Street Journal since 1989. In the political realm, Mr. Hart has represented more than 40 U.S. senators and 30 governors, ranging from Hubert Humphrey and Lloyd Bentsen, to Jay Rockefeller and Bob Graham. Additional focuses on public policy and cultural issues have included work for such clients as the Smithsonian Institution, the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum, and the Kennedy Center. In the international realm, Hart Research has undertaken studies in South America, Europe, Asia, and Africa. The firm also has conducted strategic planning projects for such corporate clients as Coca-Cola, IBM, Fannie Mae, AT&T, and Tiffany & Co.
LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)Hart's Poll is BS with a 5.9% Margin of Error. Have you took a Graduate or Undergraduate Level Statistics class in the last five years? (By the way, before you answer that --- I have a M.B.A.)
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)I took several courses in social science and political science research as a undergraduate student and graduate student. I am comfortable in citing Peter Hart as an expert in polling. His resume speaks for itself.
LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)is still and will remain until the end of time (because this poll is meaningless with a 5.9% Margin of Error) BS.
Also for a Post-Grad it is amazing you could not find the Data Associated with this poll and it took me what --- less than two minutes once I actually looked for it. So, yeah, ummm.....
Unless you did not WANT to find the data, which is not surprising in the least with 273 Democrats included in the Raw Sample with a 5.9% Margin of Error rate. I would not want to find that data either, if I was trying to "sure up" a candidate. Any candidate. Especially a candidate whom should be quite well known among Democrats depending on a 5.9 Margin of Error Rate poll by some person named Hart.
Meanwhile, the other point. This "Poll" was conducted between April 26-30, 2015. When did Bernie Sanders announce again?
Oh, I know.....Thursday, April 30, 2015.
With that, it is impossible to determine what effect Bernie Sanders announcement would have on this poll since he did not officially announce until April 30, 2015 OR the last day the 5.9% Margin of Error Poll of 273 Uneven Democrats was taken by Hart.
"I think the American people are tired of that," Sanders said.
He said he is running to thwart trade deals like the 12-country Trans-Pacific Partnership and to overhaul business tax rules so corporations operating in the United States cannot shelter their money overseas.
"Their responsibilities are not to shift jobs to China, their responsibility is not to avoid paying federal taxes," he said.
Sanders first announced his run in an email to supporters and media sent just after midnight early Thursday morning."
http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/29/politics/bernie-sanders-announces-presidential-run/
Wonder why the Margin of Error was so high (or in other words, not worth mentioning). Maybe because some of those Democrats polled was waiting on Bernie Sanders official announcement. Just a theory, but less wait until let's see a poll taken May 5-9, 2015 to see then impact of Bernie Sanders official entry into the race.
Until such, running to the hills about a poll with a 5.9% Margin of Error Rate is frankly.....BS.
With such, I'm DONE | with you as I don't have time for folks who cite a poll yet cannot produce the actual sample data associated with said poll.
Have a lovely night!!
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)Abundance of emoticons is no substitute for paucity of thought. The link I cited was there. For some reason it appeared to be broke because of the way this board treats certain hyperlinks, ergo:
http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/MSNBC/Sections/A_Politics/SECTION_More_Politics/V215179%20NBC-WSJ%20APRIL%20Poll%20(2).pdf
Above is the address as it appears in my browser.
What a picayune objection.
If you don't believe a pollster with over forty years of experience who has represented more than 40 U.S. senators and 30 governors, ranging from Hubert Humphrey and Lloyd Bentsen, to Jay Rockefeller and Bob Graham is competent in his field there is nothing I can do to disabuse you of that notion.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)http://www.gallup.com/poll/181988/hillary-clinton-clear-leader-favorability-among-democrats.aspx
So, according to the Law Of Large numbers my sample is getting more robust.
BTW, there is no rational basis to suggest Bernie Sanders entry into the race is going to make Democratic voters have a less favorable opinion of Secretary State Clinton or any other Democrat.
bornskeptic
(1,330 posts)The margin of error depends only on the sample size. The rule of thumb for computing margin of error is
.98/sqrt(n), where n is the sample size. Thre were 273 Democratic primary voters polled.
.98/sqrt(273)=.059=5.9%.
No, a poll with a 5.9% margin of error is not meaningless. The margin of error is the radius of the 95% confidence interval. This poll means that there is approximately a 95% chance that Clinton's approval level among Democratic primary voters is between 75.1% and 86.9%. That's what in means - no more and no less.
No, even numbers are not any better than odd numbers. Where on earth did you get that bizarre idea?
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)This poll means that there is approximately a 95% chance that Clinton's disapproval level among Democratic primary voters is between .01% and 11. 9%. That's what in means - no more and no less
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)What an odd number to choose for a poll.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)It was a subset of a poll of 1,000 respondents which questioned adult Americans on a variety of subjects from marriage equality to the Iran nuclear talks to the unrest in Baltimore to presidential preferences.
LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)Nice to meet someone else who knows Statistics. Thanks!
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)joeybee12
(56,177 posts)We really are a bubble here, although a lot of people don't get that.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)It's the mirror image of the other site where posters suggested the women who came forward to accuse Herman Cain of sexual harassment were Democratic plants as the Democrats wanted to stymie his presidential run because they were afraid of facing him in the general election.
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)Didn't help they come rely disappeared once he dropped out.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)I suspect our "friends" at the other site are having orgasms over Dr. Carson... Ideologues need to be saved from themselves.
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)Sorry about my post. I read it and some autocorrect occurred using my I-phone. Thanks for getting the gist of it.
cheapdate
(3,811 posts)I've also found that people from reliable blue states, like California, have a very different outlook on electoral politics than people who live in deep red states, like me. They say things like, "Landrieu lost reelection in Louisiana and Grimes lost in Kentucky because they didn't run to the left."
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)That is, Democrats stayed home, because they were sick of watching these ninnies sell out Democrats.
The understanding that any Democrat in kentucky or Louisiana is facing a longshot is already understood. the problem is that these two - among others - were busy trying to win people who will never vote for a democrat, by insulting and belittling people who will.
cheapdate
(3,811 posts)that your understanding of the voters and politics of those states is not accurate. Sure, there are some liberal and progressive Democrats in Lexington and Louisville.
But I don't think you fully understand how fragile support is for any Democrat outside of those areas. I don't think you can appreciate how strong the anti-Obama rhetoric is everywhere else in the state and what kind of pressure that puts on those dumb hicks to go with the flow and vote Republican.
Declaring for Obama in Kentucky or Louisiana is insane. The fact that Grimes came as close as she did, in an insanely conservative state, is a testament to her political skill.
(edit : I sat in a construction trailer every morning for six months on a union job site and listened to Obama-bashing sessions every morning over coffee. And these guys were union for crying out loud.)
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)That it is necessary to campaign against him in these states, to win over Democratic party voters there?
cheapdate
(3,811 posts)There are some solid Democrats in Lexington and Louisville who support Obama.
But outside of those urban areas there is another kind of voter. He or she voted for a Democratic governor in 2007 and for Clinton in 1992 and in 1996. They did not vote for Obama and they don't like him. They will support a Democrat, but Obama is a bridge too far.
TheKentuckian
(25,029 posts)years. Her campaign was a dumpsterfire so you don't get to declare a mulligan, I was out knocking on doors and talking to voters you are painting a picture for an agenda to push for more right wing "Democrats".
cheapdate
(3,811 posts)I'm defending Grimes' decision to separate herself from President Obama in her effort to get enough votes to beat Mitch McConnell. It was a gamble and she lost. But it doesn't automatically follow that she lost because of it. In fact, she very well might have, and I believe she would have, lost worse by emphasizing her association with Obama, in Marshall County anyway. Maybe not in the Bluegrass.
TheKentuckian
(25,029 posts)You have to drive your over vote up in Louisville and Lexington, tread water in the smaller cities, and then try not to get your ass whipped too bad in the sticks not try to win the rednecks and counting on your strongholds to manage themselves.
I'm not even suggesting playing up association with Obama but rather not coming off as a lying and scheming politician that has no values or principles as well as a blatant snake oil salesman.
Over the top phony and rudderless sells about no one.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)just a couple of days? Right wingers? Lol!
Yep, we do live in a bubble here, but out there over 175,000 people so far have signed up to help with Bernie's campaign, no doubt they too are all Right Wingers!
I haven't signed up yet, but I will.
I wonder why those poll numbers for Hillary never change?
Have there been any polls on the Independent vote yet, a huge voting bloc now, bigger than either party now as people leave both parties and register as Independents?
DURHAM D
(32,611 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)Oh no!
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)Boo!
Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)upaloopa
(11,417 posts)history.
I think we are seeing a time where a woman President is welcomed.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)And lots of people seem to think she's Bill!
A poll at this point in time is merely interesting and really means very little.
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)99Forever
(14,524 posts)And I wasted my hard earned money contributing to a lost cause. I hate it being over a year and a half before election day.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Stuart G
(38,453 posts)May 4 the election is 19 months away..did if get that one right???
tularetom
(23,664 posts)The election is actually 18 months away.
May 2015 to November 2015 - 6 months
November 2015 to November 2016 - 12 months
Stuart G
(38,453 posts)You know, that is why they have erasers on pencils..and there is always the delete key..I did count, but I did not count correctly
sorry...
tularetom
(23,664 posts)Reason I know this is I sold a piece of property to my brother and he pays me in semi annual installments - May and November.
Stuart G
(38,453 posts)One thing for sure..the election in 2016 is kinda far away...I hope we all get there..
Tarheel_Dem
(31,244 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)Yes, I imagine that quite a few people won't recognize his name. Being a registered Dem doesn't make one a political junkie automatically. And most people aren't political junkies.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,244 posts)Like Cruz, Bernie never met a camera he didn't like.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Though it's not exactly positive
Jester Messiah
(4,711 posts)Bernie actually has well-reasoned policies, a grasp of the facts, and a track record to back up his words.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,244 posts)JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)have not heard what he has to say.
Look. The fact is that seven years into Obama and nothing has been done to raise taxes on the very, very wealthy, to end school testing and require charter schools to meet the same standards as public schools, especially in enrollment of all regardless of their problems, and most important, not one of the bankers who engineered the 2008 crisis has been prosecuted or indicted. What's more we still don't have a Glass-Steagall law (that is the law that Bill Clinton did away with presumably at the request of Citbank which later lead the pack toward bankruptcy and Greenspan, et al.). And now the TPP is the last straw.
Wait until Bernie Sanders gets out there. His stances will be greatly appreciated.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,244 posts)we'll go from there.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Anyone who announces the news on the TV or radio and has any sort of degree in journalism should know enough about the systems in Europe, in Sweden, France, Germany and Austria for example to know the difference. If they don't then I wonder why they were hired.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,244 posts)JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)The job of a journalist who covers international news is to explain what is going on in other countries. And the economic system in other countries is part of what is going on there.
In fact, I wish the news media would better explain what goes on in China. That country claims to be governed by its Communist Party but allows a great deal of capitalist investment and profit. Just what is the economic system there? How does it work? What is the political system? How does it work?
The media should be explaining these things. To the extent that it does not, it is a failure.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,244 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)Except for an income tax increase in 2013 and the extension of Medicaid levies to unearned income. So, yeah, except for those...
to end school testing and require charter schools to meet the same standards as public schools
He ran against both of those ideas.
not one of the bankers who engineered the 2008 crisis has been prosecuted or indicted
Except for the two who have.
Maybe the larger problem here is Obama does a lot of the things DUers want him to, and nobody notices.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)OBama ran against school testing and requiring the same standards as public schools?
I want less school testing and all schools including private schools should require students to take the same tests. Home-schooled children should also have to pass the same tests, and there should be far fewer of them to take and pass.
The taxes on the very, very wealthy who live from capital gains have not been raised nearly enough if at all.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)Political geeks? Sure.
Gothmog
(145,666 posts)Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts).
.
tkmorris
(11,138 posts)I read elsewhere here that, and I quote, "It is hard not to love him". I finally understood what a spit take was after reading that.
Curmudgeoness
(18,219 posts)NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)tkmorris
(11,138 posts)NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)are fooling themselves...but hey come Nov 2016 we all can support the ticket and take back congress and retain the whitehouse or some can act like spoiled kids and take their ball home
arcane1
(38,613 posts)bigwillq
(72,790 posts)liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)My candidate may not win the primary, but I will vote my conscience and be happy. If my candidate doesn't win the primary, there are other options and I'm okay with that too. I am learning to be happy with my journey in life. I may not always get what I want when I want it, but I can still fight for what is important even if I don't win. Those that fought for Civil Rights, Women's Rights, and Labor Rights didn't win overnight and our fight to take the country back from the 1% won't happen overnight either.
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)wins the nomination. I have done that for almost 20 years now and have seen nothing but economic decline in this country. If Bernie does not win the primary and he may not, then I will look to see what liberal and socialist leaning third party candidates there are. Hillary may be the inevitable nominee. I don't know, but one thing I do know is I won't be voting for her in the primary or the general election. Then again, everybody thought she was the inevitable candidate last time, and we know how that turned out. You never know.
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)I am lucky I live in CT. I will not be voting for Hillary.
a la izquierda
(11,797 posts)so I can vote with my conscience and not vote for her, even though I've been asked "How can you, as a woman, NOT support her?"
I'm a broke ass university professor who's tired of the rich getting the breaks and the middle class and poor getting screwed, that's how.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)Hillary will make a great president!
4now
(1,596 posts)Stuart G
(38,453 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)leftofcool
(19,460 posts)yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)Or is it too early...we still have a year and a half?
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Lol.
markpkessinger
(8,409 posts). . . I guess all of you Hillary supporters can sit back and relax then, right?
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)Maedhros
(10,007 posts)Whoda thunkit.
Cosmic Kitten
(3,498 posts)Where is this alleged poll?
How many people is 81%
8 out of 10?
What were the demographics?
How was the poll conducted?
I saw on the interweb
that Democrats support
Bernie 10 to 1 in a recent online poll!!!!!
THATS 90% APPROVAL!!!!11!!!!!
LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)Would expose the BS nature of the Poll...
Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)right here on DU!! I even voted for Bernie.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Cosmic Kitten
(3,498 posts)Clintons unfavorable rating has ticked up six points since March, and the percentage giving her high marks for being honest and straightforward has declined 13 points from a year ago.
In the new NBC/WSJ poll, Clintons favorable/unfavorable among all adults rating stands at 42%, 42% (even) down from 44% positive, 36% negative in March (+8).
Her worst scores: bringing real change to the direction of the country (35%), sharing your positions on the issues (35%) and being honest and straightforward (25%).
Indeed, that honest and straightforward score is a 13-point drop for Clinton since June 2014.
But hey, 81% of Democrats
support Hillary...at something?
Wonder what the question was, exactly?
leveymg
(36,418 posts)the higher her negatives rise. Imagine what they'll be in summer 2016?
Cosmic Kitten
(3,498 posts)Won't take much
for her favorables
to go underwater.
100% name recognition
is the worst possible starting
point for a polarizing candidate.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)Is Hillary going to fulfill her destiny as the original Trotskyite Goldwater Republican? Revenge for '37 or '64?
daleanime
(17,796 posts)who support Hillary is here.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)I'm betting those percentages will look quite different then.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)Ah, I see, you want Hillary to run unopposed. I'm sure you're not alone.
frylock
(34,825 posts)You seem pretty excited at the prospect!
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)pampango
(24,692 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)It's a NBC-WSJ Poll conducted by HART RESEARCH ASSOCIATES (D)/PUBLIC OPINION STRATEGIES (R)
leveymg
(36,418 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)The poll couldn't even be bothered to ask about Bernie Sanders because he's obviously not a factor in the race.
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/nbcwsj-poll-hillary-takes-hit-still-bests-gop-competition
Number23
(24,544 posts)First of all, I didn't know that 700 people still regularly read DU. That puts a lot of stuff on the Greatest Page in a hell of a perspective. Haven't seen anything come close to getting over 700 recs, don't see stuff with half that number here.
Secondly, that poll was worded in a very interesting way. Said that to forget whether you think someone is electable or not, who would you want? That's a really great way to get an incredibly unexpected reaction. If it was "who do you think will get the Dem nomination?" there would have been a lot less votes and it probably would have gone for Hillary. Wording it that way allows people to really speak from their heart. I also liked the fact that that poll didn't load itself with glowing photos and links touting the record of one candidate and then stupidly asking "who are you going to vote for?" like another (idiotic push) poll did. Just straightforward -- who do you really want? And what a result!
But yeah, this is DU which is still smarting from the great Kucinich love-fest of '08. So I'd take every single poll and (moderately) well rec'd post with a big old grain of salt.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,244 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)Like I said, I think that the way that the question was asked really gave people an opportunity to speak from their heart. And I was very surprised by those poll results.
I didn't vote because I'm still learning about Bernie and as I've said a few times, I'm not all that hot for Hillary. But I will happily support either because I think that both are light years beyond any Republican and I don't have any significant policy differences with either.
But did you see that other poll? The one that had like a half dozen glowing photos of Bernie, really flattering portrayals of his votes over the years, moist fawning over his positions and then at the end had a "poll" that asked "hey, who do you want to vote for? Bernie or x?" I laughed so hard at that blatant foolishness. Big shock that one went like 90% for Bernie too. That was like, not AT ALL the intent of that poll!
valerief
(53,235 posts)Renew Deal
(81,882 posts)I like Hillary and Bernie, but I can only vote for one. Generally Democrats will "like" Democrats and republicans will like republicans. Of course, there are exceptions like Lieberman.
DrDan
(20,411 posts)Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)brooklynite
(94,792 posts)...due in part to a well-organized, well-funded GOTV effort. The question is: will Sanders be able to compete?
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)brooklynite
(94,792 posts)...the rest went to the also runs.
This time around, Clinton won't be running against a candidate as well-known and well-equipped as Obama was.
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)and who will be as well known as Obama, if not more so, since the field will be much smaller.
Sanders isn't going to be a push.
brooklynite
(94,792 posts)Experienced in campaigning? I don't know. I don't think Bernie has had a contested election in years.
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)in NY? He has lots more experience.
brooklynite
(94,792 posts)...you don't learn exclusively from winning.
mythology
(9,527 posts)Even in 2006, Obama had significantly more name recognition than polling currently shows Bernie Sanders has. Bernie Sanders won't have the same platform that Obama had in 2004 where he made such an impression at the Democratic convention.
I don't know if Bernie Sanders can win (I suspect he can't), but he is going to have to fight hard if he wants to gain traction.
kelliekat44
(7,759 posts)Tarheel_Dem
(31,244 posts)BainsBane
(53,076 posts)Real Clear Politics had him at an average of 5.6. That's nearly 4x as high as where he was before he announced.
Joe Turner
(930 posts)They are the leading lights. The other 81% will soon see the light.
Quixote1818
(28,989 posts)Hillary is going to have a rough time winning a national election if she loses 20% of the Democratic vote. I think most on DU do actually support Hillary, just not as much as Sanders.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/nbcwsj-poll-hillary-takes-hit-still-bests-gop-competition
BTW, Barack Obama lost 11% of the Democratic vote in 08 and 9% in 012.
Logical
(22,457 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)I can't believe the vanity that would lead one to believe everybody that disagrees with him or her is either ill-informed, unaware, or stupid...
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)That Clinton supporters are vain?
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)You suggested supporters of a certain candidate are either narcissists or ciphers. I am still trying to divine which one.
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)eom
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Hillary will be a great President!
elleng
(131,197 posts)Seems to me it was an 'old' poll, like a week or so old.
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)and should make them feel good, however meaningless it may be it will be good for their morale.
liberal N proud
(60,347 posts)One group is on the right and the other is a left and right demographic.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)that doesn't mean 19% of the people are thrilled about having bed bugs.
And it doesn't mean that the people doing that survey have a clue in their head, are pro or anti bed bug, it just means that they have no idea what a bed bug is.
I don't like whale shit, as a rule. I have no experience whatsoever with whale shit, but it sounds like something I won't like.
I have no idea what dihydrogen monoxide is. It sounds absolutely awful. I don't want dihydrogen monoxide invading my space.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)I believe he qualifies an expert:
Peter D. Hart is one of the leading analysts of public opinion in the United States. Since 1971, he has been Chairman of Peter D. Hart Research Associates.
As an established leader in survey research, Mr. Hart, along with the late Robert Teeter, and currently with Bill McInturff of Public Opinion Strategies, have been the pollsters for NBC News and The Wall Street Journal since 1989. In the political realm, Mr. Hart has represented more than 40 U.S. senators and 30 governors, ranging from Hubert Humphrey and Lloyd Bentsen, to Jay Rockefeller and Bob Graham. Additional focuses on public policy and cultural issues have included work for such clients as the Smithsonian Institution, the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum, and the Kennedy Center. In the international realm, Hart Research has undertaken studies in South America, Europe, Asia, and Africa. The firm also has conducted strategic planning projects for such corporate clients as Coca-Cola, IBM, Fannie Mae, AT&T, and Tiffany & Co.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)to tell me when it is raining outside.
I need certain experts to tell me that it isn't as humid outside as I imagine.
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
fadedrose
(10,044 posts)MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)What were the questions and who did they ask?
Who developed it?
Who paid for it?
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)Peter D. Hart is one of the leading analysts of public opinion in the United States. Since 1971, he has been Chairman of Peter D. Hart Research Associates.
As an established leader in survey research, Mr. Hart, along with the late Robert Teeter, and currently with Bill McInturff of Public Opinion Strategies, have been the pollsters for NBC News and The Wall Street Journal since 1989. In the political realm, Mr. Hart has represented more than 40 U.S. senators and 30 governors, ranging from Hubert Humphrey and Lloyd Bentsen, to Jay Rockefeller and Bob Graham. Additional focuses on public policy and cultural issues have included work for such clients as the Smithsonian Institution, the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum, and the Kennedy Center. In the international realm, Hart Research has undertaken studies in South America, Europe, Asia, and Africa. The firm also has conducted strategic planning projects for such corporate clients as Coca-Cola, IBM, Fannie Mae, AT&T, and Tiffany & Co.
CanadaexPat
(496 posts)That's not a vote, that's an impression. "Support" is a misleading description.
MyNameGoesHere
(7,638 posts)Still waiting on that one.
NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)PADemD
(4,482 posts)Since Hillary has so much support, that means that I won't have to contribute money, phone bank, or knock on doors for Hillary 2016.
applegrove
(118,842 posts)uncleverusername
(37 posts)and are quick to support another right-wing corporatist?
Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)Buns_of_Fire
(17,201 posts)Cha
(297,799 posts)job approval is high among Dems in the Country.. whereas on DU.. there's a majority that are always lobbing cheap ignorant pot shots.. but, it's not working.
And, whomever the Dem nominee is will want Obama to campaign with them and for them.. unless of course they run away from him like the stupid ones in the 2014 elections.. don't see that happening.
PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)Marr
(20,317 posts)But it's a year from the primaries and right now, he has very low name recognition nationally.
onecaliberal
(32,929 posts)Explaining the specifics of her policy she will lose some of that popularity. That poll doesn't change my mind.
quaker bill
(8,225 posts)I just like Bernie a bit more.
ladyVet
(1,587 posts)They didn't ask me.
IVoteDFL
(417 posts)They tend to vote Democratic when they bother to show up at the polls, but let's be real most of my twenty-something friends haven't voted since '08 and probably don't plan on doing so in 2016. Especially if it ends up being Clinton/Bush in the GE. It's hard to convince these people that they aren't just voting for more of the same.
Democrats are going to vote for the Democratic nominee, but new voters, undeclared voters, and fed-up former GOP voters are way more likely to vote for Sanders than Clinton in my opinion.
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Contrary to the image the right wing tries to portray of her, she connects with everyday folks. She is a rock star.
mmonk
(52,589 posts)So follow like sheep when you see a majority. Learn deeply on how to shut down and follow. I'm being sarcastic, of course. If you really believe in her, vote for her. If you don't, there is nothing wrong with you if you don't.
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)Lots of polls out there.
INdemo
(6,994 posts)Voters responded with a positive for Hillary?
I don't believe this poll because MSNBC is Hillary,Hillary,
Hillary ...lets see what Ed Shultz
Would get for a response More liberals probably watch his show
merrily
(45,251 posts)UTUSN
(70,762 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)WillyT
(72,631 posts)AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)In the same MSNBC poll, 25% overall think she's honest and trustworthy, down 13 points since May.
Vinca
(50,318 posts)Which is what I plan to do. I'll vote for the Democratic candidate in the general.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)At this point I would guess a lot of people support both of them. I support both Clinton and Sanders, and would have said yes to this poll, but if the primary were tomorrow I think I'd vote for Sanders.
HappyMe
(20,277 posts)so it must be true!