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pstokely

(10,528 posts)
Tue May 5, 2015, 02:07 AM May 2015

Is ‘tipping point’ nearing in college football?

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http://www.stltoday.com/sports/college/mizzou/pinkel-s-big-raises-follow-trend-but-is-tipping-point/article_e4cd5fd6-59ec-58b0-9e01-cc32d99eceb0.html

"“Anybody who cares about higher education in this country should be appalled,” Cohen tweeted. “Big college sports are out of control.”

Cohen, in a phone interview, said he worries about higher education’s priorities, especially when rising enrollment forces his department to rely more on adjunct faculty with fewer professors earning tenure track.

“All that money puts pressure on presidents and chancellors who make less than the coaches,” Cohen said. “All that money and power isn’t where it ought to be and inevitably it’s going to lead to abuses, academic or campus culture or recruiting rules or whatever. There are people who love college sports who say this, not just pointy headed English professors.”

According to a 2013 study by Insider Higher Ed, instructor salaries at SEC schools from 2006-11 (before Missouri joined the league) rose 15.5 percent, compared to 128.9 percent for SEC head football coaches during the same time. No Division I conference had a wider gap in pay between instructors and head football coaches than the SEC, the study found.
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msongs

(67,411 posts)
1. replace all intercollegiate sports with intramurals on campus. voila! The NFL can pay for its own
Tue May 5, 2015, 03:06 AM
May 2015

athlete farms

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House of Roberts

(5,174 posts)
3. Wealthy alumni pay football coaches' salaries with donations.
Tue May 5, 2015, 03:52 AM
May 2015

It wasn't Mal Moore that wanted to fire Mike Shula in 2006 at Alabama, it was the alumni. They came up with the money to buy out his contract, and the money to hire Nick Saban. Once the base salary is established, apparel and shoe deals, plus incentives, like winning conference championships, making the playoffs, add up the rest.

pstokely

(10,528 posts)
4. why don't they pay for faculty salaries along with coaches' salaries?
Tue May 5, 2015, 05:13 AM
May 2015

even the coaches with winless records make millions

ProdigalJunkMail

(12,017 posts)
5. alumni DO pay for much more than coaches
Tue May 5, 2015, 05:18 AM
May 2015

through the schools' endowments. unfortunately, the trend that i have been seeing is that schools are spending their money on turning their facilities into Club Med and not on research and faculty. can't say i blame them as that is what seems to attract students today. to hell with the academics, i want a dorm room with a hottub!

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ProdigalJunkMail

(12,017 posts)
9. exactly
Tue May 5, 2015, 06:23 AM
May 2015

students couldn't care less about the fees going to bring in a new nightclub style student center... so they vote for it. but, try to raise their tuition to pay for research facilities or more full time professors/instructors and they go nuts. it is just a way for them to live in a luxury resort for a few more years before trying to make it in the 'real world' or go back home to mommy and/or daddy.

i am very jaded on large universities as you can well see. when i went to school the dorm i lived in was over 100 years old without central cooling and steam heat. there were student facilites for recreation but most of them had been there since the 50's and were utilitarian in nature. now, this same school, is a resort... hugely fancy facilities for just about everything BUT the actual learning process and it saddens me.

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1939

(1,683 posts)
6. Sometimes they do
Tue May 5, 2015, 05:19 AM
May 2015

Many universities have "endowed chairs" with the money for the salary coming from a specific alumni endowment for that purpose. I specifically target my contributions to my alma mater to the fund for academics rather than the athletic fund. It is just there are a lot more alumni who wish to endow football or basketball.

Ex Lurker

(3,814 posts)
8. Athletics are a drain on many schools, but they're beneficial for others
Tue May 5, 2015, 05:53 AM
May 2015

Alabama's alumni giving has gone up across the board since their recent football championships, as has student enrollment, including many from out of state. A winning football team is a factor in a lot of kids decisionmaking process on where to attend college. It may not be very rational, but it's true.

progressoid

(49,991 posts)
10. Bullshit.
Tue May 5, 2015, 06:28 AM
May 2015
In the case of Alabama:
$34,233,035 was donated.
Coaches salaries and benefits from the University totaled $20,906,681.

http://b2.caspio.com/dp.asp?AppKey=900c1000ea466e223e104a22814a




And don't start with the "sports bring in so much money" crap either.

...Just 23 of 228 athletics departments at NCAA Division I public schools generated enough money on their own to cover their expenses in 2012. Of that group, 16 also received some type of subsidy — and 10 of those 16 athletics departments received more subsidy money in 2012 than they did in 2011.

The median subsidy increase for those 10 programs was a little more than $160,000. Relative to these programs' budgets, that's a small amount, but the increases were part of a huge rise in the subsidies provided for major-college sports programs as a whole. Subsidies for all of Division I athletics rose by nearly $200 million compared to what they were 2011. That is the greatest year-over-year dollar increase in the subsidy total since USA TODAY Sports began collecting finance information that schools annually report to the NCAA; the first year of those data covers the schools' 2004-05 fiscal year...

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/college/2013/05/07/ncaa-finances-subsidies/2142443/


http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/college/story/2012-05-14/ncaa-college-athletics-finances-database/54955804/1

Most college athletic departments are a net drain on the budget. Three years ago, the NCAA issued a report that found most athletic departments operate in the red. A more recent analysis by Bloomberg found the same thing: 46 of the 53 schools it looked at subsidized their sports programs. The money usually comes from sources such as student activity fees, such as that charged at Virginia Commonwealth University. Earlier this year VCU jacked up its fee by $50 to help fund the Rams basketball program.

A story last year in USA Today reported that "at least six schools—all in Virginia—charged each of their students more than $1,000 as an athletics fee for the 2008-09 school year. That ranged from 10 percent to more than 23 percent of the total tuition and mandatory-fee charges for in-state students." Yet some students never attend so much as a single basketball or football game—never mind a lacrosse match or rowing competition.
http://reason.com/archives/2011/10/14/stop-funding-college-sports



Myth: The money earned from college sports helps other parts of the university.

Reality: Because athletic department expenses usually exceed revenues, any money earned by college sports teams stays in the athletic department. Moreover, athletic departments admit that they have no intention of sharing their revenue; an NCAA survey reported that fewer than 1 percent of all athletic programs defined their "fiscal objective" as earning money "to support nonathletics activities of the institution."

Rather than financially help the university, most athletic programs siphon money from it: for example, the enormous maintenance costs of stadiums and other facilities-used exclusively for athletic program events and by their elite athletes-are often placed in the "Buildings-and-Grounds" line in the university-wide budget, and the multi-million dollar debt servicing on these facilities is frequently paid by regular students in the form of mandatory "fees."

To cover athletic program losses, schools must divert money from their budgets and other financial resources. Thus funds that could go to academic programs, student scholarships, faculty and staff salaries disappear into the athletic department deficit.

https://netfiles.uiuc.edu/hschein/www/readings/athletics/collegesports.html


DOES COLLEGE FOOTBALL MAKE SCHOOLS RICHER OR POORER?
Short answer: It enriches the powerhouses, but the larger story is mixed.

In August, the NCAA released a financial breakdown of college athletics programs from 2004 through 2010. In those years, hardly more than half of the roughly 120 teams in the Football Bowl Subdivision, the old Division 1-A, generated a profit from football. Those teams netted a median gain of $9.1 million. Among the programs stuck in the red, their median loss was $2.9 million. So for elite football schools, the game is a cash cow capable of subsidizing less remunerative sports. For the gridiron also-rans, it's just one more expense.

IS COLLEGE FOOTBALL BAD FOR ACADEMICS?
Short answer: Winning teams appear to be bad for grades, but good for graduation rates.

The results weren't pretty. When Oregon won more, men's grades dropped relative to women's. When they lost, men's grades recovered. In a survey that accompanied their grade analysis, 28% of male students reported drinking more when a team won. About 20% of women said the same. Shotgunning a celebratory postgame beer, it seems, isn't conducive with studying for an economics final.


http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2011/12/would-colleges-be-better-off-without-football/250691/





Stallion

(6,474 posts)
11. Not the Full Story
Tue May 5, 2015, 10:58 AM
May 2015

"...Just 23 of 228 athletics departments at NCAA Division I public schools generated enough money on their own to cover their expenses in 2012. Of that group, 16 also received some type of subsidy — and 10 of those 16 athletics departments received more subsidy money in 2012 than they did in 2011."

The fact is that the Men's Football and sometimes Basketball are paying for 300-350 scholarships going to both men and women in sports including for example:

WOMEN'S
basketball
gymnastics
volleyball
equestrian
soccer
softball
swimming
cross-country
track
golf
tennis
field hockey
etc

and a similar number of other men's programs too. Every NCAA school is required to have about 18-20 sports and is subject to federal Title IX requirements on spending for both men and women

progressoid

(49,991 posts)
13. Only about 2 percent of high school athletes win sports scholarships every year at NCAA colleges
Tue May 5, 2015, 03:43 PM
May 2015
1. The odds of winning a NCAA sports scholarship are miniscule. Only about 2 percent of high school athletes win sports scholarships every year at NCAA colleges and universities. Yes, the odds are that dismal. For those who do snag one, the average scholarship is less than $11,000.

2. Full-ride sports scholarships are scarce. There are only six sports where all the scholarships are full ride. These so-called head-count sports are football, men and women's basketball, and women's gymnastics, volleyball, and tennis. In these Division I sports, athletes receive a full ride or no ride.

3. Scholarships can be dinky. Beyond the head-count sports, all other sports are considered "equivalency" sports. NCAA rules dictate how much money a program, such as lacrosse or track, can spend on scholarships. Coaches can slice and dice these awards as they choose, which can lead to awfully small scholarships.

...http://www.cbsnews.com/news/8-things-you-should-know-about-sports-scholarships/


College sports are big business.

Nike, ESPN, coaches etc. are making out like bandits at the expense of students and athletes.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
14. "We want to build a university our football team can be proud of!"
Tue May 5, 2015, 04:15 PM
May 2015

Groucho Marx as Professor Quincy Wagstaff, in Horse Feathers.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
15. The Ivy League gets along just fine without athletic scholarships.
Tue May 5, 2015, 05:17 PM
May 2015

Harvard came within a deuce of knocking the Tar Heels out of the tournament in the first round.

Of course, with their huge endowments, the Ivies offer better aid packages to all students than most schools.

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