Not crazy,

They see it as a competition against their own Christian Dominionist agenda whether they realize it or not. They are projecting and see the Muslims doing what they want to do.

They are flat out crazy! And frankly "Stupid" as well. I don't like to call people that word, but in this case I'll make an exception.

...are running for federal office...

the death panels......

I think that could actually be done pretty cheaply with re-runs of the moral melodramas from '70s broadcast television.

It might even be possible to convince MSNBC to run them instead of cop/prision shows.

Are their ratings really that good? I have never understood that.

End of story.

But I'd much rather see a hilite reel of the week's talk shows.


Edit for spelling.

Not a Teahadist characteristic.

6 thousand years old and the coming of the end of times is in their favor.

of tea-party types reject evolution, which actually is -an improvement- compared to the American population over-all in which 59% reject evolution.

It's not really clear what rejection of evolution means. Rejecting evolution can mean rejecting any of the various scientific theories that discuss the origins of biotic diversity since, and including Darwinism.

Fundamentalist christians have a habit of arguing Darwinism, which has been redundant for a very long time. I'd say since about 1904.

If you look closely at their arguments most creationists usually don't bother arguing against things like mutation/hopeful monster theory (also a redundant theory, but one which understood the basics of genetic inheritance), or against the modern synthetic theory which is too sophisticated for simple attacks. What they do is keep pushing variations on Paley's argument for design, which predates all modern attempts at evolutionary theory... the most recent in this series, Intelligent Design, introduces the notion of 'irreproducible complexity' in order to preclude the possibility of modification and selection during descent.

Rejection of evolution doesn't require a person to believe in a young earth/young universe. Belief in biblical creationism doesn't require a young world either...It's just a convenient argument, drawn using imposed non-biblical assumptions about biblical lifespans, from genealogies, listed in the old testament whose completeness is incredible...nonetheless that timeframe defines young earth/young universe which if accepted requires impossible timeframe for evolution. Curiously can find creationists quite willing to dispute the duration of a 'day' of creation some go for 24 hours and some say a day could be a thousand years.

with only matches and the clothes on their backs has a certain appeal, at least to me. LEt them run their Lord of Jesus' Flies societies there.

and other international organizations and agreements.

overthrow the mess they have made of it?! OMG, what morans!

What's their end game? (Sarcastic remarks welcome)

believe this government can be fixed, but won't reveal their plan on how that can be accomplished.

I hear he's got Tony Stark working on the whole government thing 24/7.

how it could be done.

it's only because Obama(POC) is in charge and most of the ones feeling this way "just want their country back". . Reminds me of that republican nutter on national television right after Obama was elected, crying, "I want my country back". Big crocodile tears too....I laughed my ass off. Not so much today, years later, after having watched the racist throng(s) marching to the White House, with rope in hand, for the last 6+ years. What these people don't understand, methinks, is I'm angry at them and will FIGHT to defend my manhood, my citizenship and my humanity.

Shit fire and save the matches, some of them were IN Shrubya's illegitimate administration.

yet I DO know of what I'm saying. It's even worse, now, socially and racially, than in the bush years.....and those years along with reagan years only kept the racist ideology alive and spreading to where it is today. Bad enough to cause riots against the inhumanity of racists with badges and guns.

And I also agree that racism is a big part of it.

the Republicans to NOT constitute a democratic party, i.e. a party that supports a Democracy. They are against democratic principles.

How you run a country without any parties I don't know.

I'd bet there'd be a measurable percentage.

Scary shit.

On edit: here is a link to a downloadable version: http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2015/PPP_Release_National_22415.pdf

because they're winning.

link to full article http://www.politicususa.com/2015/02/25/57-republicans-dismantle-constitution-christianity-national-religion.html

GOTFV!

The Bible say I can.

the percentage of the total American population see religion as the devisive terrorist that it is, is larger.

On second thought, ditch the "if". It's already happened, more than once.

Makes sense as to why these bible thumpers are getting elected and infecting the government with their twisted beliefs.

Did you not read it?

Here is the poll. The question at issue is Q17 (scroll past the press release, it's on the second page of the section labeled "National Survey Results&quot . It just asks, "Would you support or oppose establishing Christianity as the national religion?" There is no question about overthrowing the Constitution or establishing a theocracy or anything like that.

Specifically to the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment.

And the poll question didn't ask, "Given the Establishment Clause, do you support establishing Christianity as a national religion?" Poll phrasing matters a lot. Most poll respondents are poorly informed and don't necessarily have well-defined views on policy questions. Asking people whether, in the abstract, they support establishing a national religion doesn't tell us much about whether they would support doing so in defiance of the Constitution, or even whether they would support doing so through constitutional amendment. And it tells us even less about whether they would support overthrowing the government, which is a huge leap from this poll question.

Edit: Here's a simple way to illustrate the point. Imagine PPP had asked the same group of Republicans, "Do you think the Constitution prohibits making Christianity the national religion?" What do you think the survey results would have looked like?

The blog obviously is using hyperbole to make a rhetorical point.

I think it is disturbing enough that so many Republicans, who ostensibly are pro-Constitution, want to establish a national religion, which is in direct opposition to said Constitution.

The hyperbole of the OP is not even necessary to emphasize this irony, in my opinion.

...and replacing it.

Which is an overthrow.

Is every constitutional amendment an "abrogation"?

And in any case, you are still overreading the poll question. See my reply to Oberliner.

Read up on it.

The amendment process? That's neither here nor there--unless you mean to suggest that a constitutional amendment is overthrowing the government?

Eliminate them, and yeah. It's an overthrow.

I think an amendment, passed through the standard constitutional process for amending the Constitution, establishing a national religion would be a significant blow to constitutional values and to equality under law, but I don't think it would be an overthrow of the government. It would remain within legal, constitutional bounds (it's not a violation of the Constitution to amend it), and while bad, it would just put us on the same footing of lots of other Western democracies that (unwisely) have established churches.

Perhaps more to the point, however, even that isn't the poll question. The poll question just asks about establishment as an abstract matter. It doesn't propose amending the Constitution to establish a national religion. Poll respondents may have been unaware that the Constitution prohibits this, or it may not have been salient to them when they answered the question, or they may have been primarily invested in engaging in a kind of symbolic expression ("Christian values are good for the country&quot rather than thinking through the specific legal and policy implications of the proposal. It's really hard and generally unwise to use poll questions like this to pin down what people "really think" about an issue, and all the more so when you start drawing out implications of an issue stance that may not have registered with the respondent.

Look at all the Dominionist legislation that is already in force.

That doesn't mean there isn't plenty of legislation inspired by religiously-driven moral views, but there's lots of space between theocracy and secular liberalism. And there is no serious political attempt to abrogate the Establishment Clause. It's been weakened in important respects through federal court appointments, but that just emphasizes how difficult it is to cast particular political views as amounting to an overthrow of the Constitution. The Constitution, on whose interpretation?

the 2nd Amendment mean "overthrowing the government?"

Besides the fact that the poll really doesn't say what you think it says, the whole idea that 57% of Republicans want to overthrow the government is, well--ridiculous.

Again, an overthrow.

as the "official" religion does not mean that the government would be based on the Bible any more than the government of Great Britain is based on the Bible, even though they have an official religion (Church of England.)

You are clearly conflating a couple of ideas here.

"Do you support the 57% of Republicans who want to overthrow the US Government and replace the Constitution with laws based on the Bible"?

The GOP is the most pathetic party to exist in modern times.

It helps to explain how we got where we are today. (at least an entertaining theory)

I'm surprised it's that low. There is no shortage of conservatives who profess they have wet dreams to "vote from the rooftops," who hope for a civil war between them and the government, who dream of the government collapsing and being replaced with a libertarian utopia (yet where in that utopia of freedom, women and minorities are second-class citizens, homosexuals can't marry, and so forth).

Our Dystopia.

her Canadian passport. We may need to use it come January 20, 2017.

57% may say that they're all for dominion-ism, but even that has to have its own contorted version of a constitution. Who would they trust to write it? The Episcopalians don't trust the Mennonites, who don't trust the Lutherans or the Methodists. The Pentecostals trust other Pentecostals, but not the snake handling types. The Born Again Baptists have big conclaves, then gripe the rest of the year that no other church in their denomination would know a good recipe for potato salad if it fell onto their faces from heaven. Who does that leave? The Amish?

Besides, most Republicans are complete daddy worshipers. So, to overturn the work of the "Founding Father's" would be an enormous hurdle for even the most die-hard dominionist to undertake.

So, basically, the 57% in the poll just like to gripe.

The details will come from the barrel of a gun.

Do not underestimate the power of the Kochs, padawan!

Dick Cheney (mechanical breathing sounds here) wants you to give-in to those feelings of heaviness and paranoia. That way lies the Republican side!

And then let them fight it out over exactly WHAT KIND of Christianity will become the state religion.
I'll pop the popcorn.

Better to send them off to fight ISIS. Christian soldiers onward and all that.

of an actual idea that's been floated, or perhaps subliminally planted by groups like the Dominionists. Somehow while nursing this idea the would-be aggressors get paranoid that the "other" is going to try it first.

It does bug me that these are the same people that quickly apply the label terrorist and would probably personally pull the switch on the electric chair to kill a convicted terrorist...but they are collectively hoping to commit acts of terrorism that will benefit themselves.

to the survival of this nation.

It is rapidly coming to the point of Them or The Rest of Us.

Totally gonna steal that.

So obvious I can't believe that it's original to me.

So far, it seems to be SOP.

a higher number given the sure volume of bat sh*t crazies out there.

Most of these 57% are probably evangelicals, who
hate mormons and catholics; and they cannot
unseat the pope.
Do they want another 30 year war like the one
that tore Europe apart?

So no doubt He will smite the crap out of them thar in-fi-del types.

Yup.

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