Oh, and those pushing the TPP/TTIP know damned right well that trickle down does not work.

The "experts" take the deficit and assume that means lost jobs to Korea. So our trade deficit with Korea went up because we bought more Korean cars or electrical equipment. Well, if we had not bought it from Korea, we likely would have bought it from another country.

Besides, there are plenty of economists who think trade deficits here aren't nearly as bad as the Nationalists want us to believe. http://www.infoplease.com/cig/economics/trade-deficits-bad-good.html

we should instead listen to an anonymous shill posting on the internet under a Woody Guthrie avatar. He's the real "expert".

can keep American jobs while trading with other countries. Oh, and we also hate poor people in those countries and want them to starve.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6601001

and doesn't give a hoot how many American workers lose their jobs. Putting billions of extra dollars of profit into the pockets of Wall Street and corporate executives floats his boat. That, plus he always mentions helping out the poor foreigners while totally ignoring poor Americans.

Trading among ourselves hasn't helped the poor, here or elsewhere. Who do you think you are fooling?

you're spewing on here? You are the one trying to fool everyone, and only a tiny minority of DUers believe your propaganda.

You want a race to the bottom, let's trade among ourselves and forget about attracting jobs from foreign companies building plants and offices here, developing foreign markets, helping foreign countries increase their wealth, etc.

who call you out on your BS. We don't need another fake free trade deal to trade with foreigners, we've signed dozens of them over the past 30 years, and they have been a disaster to working class Americans. Anyway, most of TPP is not even about trade but instead corporate scams to gain more influence over laws and regulations. Are you so delusional that you really believe the repukes and corporate crooks who cook up all these deals are doing so to help American workers and increase wealth of foreign workers?

Because these deals move manufacturing from large American cities to other countries. The loss of manufacturing jobs seriously undermine minority opportunities for employment in large cities.

Raise your hand if you believe that we have anything close to "full employment"?

On the ground it seems like we never actually recovered from 2008. A lot of people were chased back to school. Applications to SSI/SSDI skyrocketed - that's part of the reason Republicans are screaming about "welfare": they don't think that many disabled people were previously under-reported. It's more like previously the workforce could find a place to absorb more marginal people: especially with mental disabilities. When people did go back to work, many had to put together multiple shift jobs and gig jobs instead of regular full time jobs with benefits. These jobs have a high turnover rate: so the same groups of people will be going in and out of peaks of employment and troughs of unemployment. There are a lot of kids out of college who had to go back home and live with their parents.

While employment may be picking up, there is not the sense of "tons of jobs available" when you apply for work. Employers have so many to choose from they rarely bother to even acknowledge an application, despite all the effort the applicant is expected to put into researching the company and crafting a targeted cover letter. Applicants are a dime a dozen to them. They are a spec in a database.

There will not be "full employment" in the US until employers have to compete to be chosen by the employee.