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Capt. Obvious

(9,002 posts)
Tue May 5, 2015, 11:02 AM May 2015

Bernie Sanders' Socialism Is as American as Apple Pie

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THE PEW RESEARCH CENTER pollsters found that most Americans (77 percent)--including a majority (53 percent) of Republicans--agreed that "there is too much power in the hands of a few rich people and corporations." (Not surprisingly, 83 percent of 18-to-29 year olds shared that view.) Pew also discovered that 61 percent of Americans believed that "the economic system in this country unfairly favors the wealthy." A significant majority (57 percent) thought that wealthy people don't pay their fair share of taxes.

In light of those views, Sanders believes he can tap into Americans' growing frustrations with our political and economic troubles and offer bold ideas to address our declining standard of living and the role of big money in politics.

He made a calculated decision to run in the Democratic primaries rather than as an independent third party candidate. He does not want to be seen as another Ralph Nader, whose third party campaign in 2000 took crucial votes away from Democratic nominee Al Gore and helped elect George W. Bush. By running in the Democratic primaries, Sanders will be able to debate Hillary Clinton on national television and gain wide exposure for his populist views about the undue political influence of what he calls America's corporate "plutocracy."

Sanders hopes to appeal to liberal Democrats who are dissatisfied with Hillary Clinton's ties to Wall Street, her reluctance to support strong government regulations to protect consumers, workers, and the environmental from irresponsible corporations, higher taxes on the super-rich, and her support for U.S. military adventures overseas.

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merrily

(45,251 posts)
2. Deception purposes? LOL! What is that about?
Tue May 5, 2015, 11:08 AM
May 2015

Fun fact.

Occidental College = where Obama went to school for his first two years of college, before he transferred to Columbia U.

DhhD

(4,695 posts)
3. Sanders wants to go back to providing an almost free first two years of college. State colleges
Tue May 5, 2015, 12:24 PM
May 2015

work through its State Workforce Department and College Placement Department, to move its certified graduates in to positions of employment. Right now temporary employment services can fill vacancies with foreign workers needing Visas. American workers can reorganize into a Union as they are not here temporarily. If Americans stand by and allow a GOP President to take office, the GOP will finish off the working class by using a GOP Congress to vote, Right To Work, laws for the entire country instead of only Redstate states. Gov. Scott Walker will go with national right to work, just like he did in his state.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
5. I do not consider myself to be a Socialist, but I support the kinds of social programs
Tue May 5, 2015, 01:26 PM
May 2015

that Bernie Sanders favors within a capitalist system. I agree with Bernie on this if this is what he calls "socialism." This is very similar to the "democratic socialism" that is in Germany

(Bernie) is a socialist. But don't expect him to call for government ownership of banks and drug companies. His views fall squarely within the progressive wing of the Democratic Party, similar to those of his Senate colleagues Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts, Dick Durbin of Illinois, Sherrod Brown of Ohio, and Barbara Boxer of California and the late Paul Wellstone of Minnesota.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/peter-dreier/bernie-sanders-socialism-_b_7210120.html

For example, I know someone who has a good job and plenty of money. She had a lot of money in a big bank which shall remain nameless. One day, she decided to move most of her money because the bank was paying a pitiful amount of interest. She left a little sum in the big bank just in case. (In case of what, I do not know, probably because she is very conscientious.) Anyway, the bank charged her $12 per month just to leave that small sum in the bank.

Which brings to mind the fact that some of our biggest banks, banks that can borrow money from the Fed for nearly nothing actually charge people too poor to have much of a balance in their bank account but still want to have a bank account for leaving money in the bank. That is a shameful travesty. No wonder people use payday lenders. That is the greedy side of capitalism gone wild.

We need either public banks or some regulation that prohibits banks from charging people for bank services if their accounts are too low. My friend simply removed her money to an account that had enough money so that she was not subject to bank charges. But really? Why penalize a person for having just a small sum in the bank?

There were times in my life when I was in school and working and deposited my meager paychecks in a checking account because I wanted to be able to write checks. My tiny account would have been eaten up by the charges banks charge today. But I was learning how to manage my money. Banks should at least provide the public service of banking facilities for all. In fact, in my world, they would be required to give instruction on elementary money management, like the concept of carried interest and how to balance a checking account and what kinds of accounts and small investments that are safe are available.

I can understand a small charge for an overdraft, but charging people for leaving their cash in the bank is so greedy I can't fathom it.

This is just one example of the kind of thing that pushes a person who is somewhat conservative about economics into raptures about Bernie Sanders!!!!!

If private banks won't help and support bank accounts for small savers and the poor, then I agree with Elizabeth Warren: we need post office banks or some sort of government run banks that don't do risky investments with depositors' money and make only small loans and simply provide services. Too bad if that deprives the rich bankers of all those $12 penalties for not keeping enough money in a bank account charges.

I also agree with Bernie here:

"Ever since I was a kid I never liked to see people without money or connections get put down or pushed around," Sanders explained in making his announcement.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/peter-dreier/bernie-sanders-socialism-_b_7210120.html

As a child, I did not know enough wealthy people to see how money and connections gave them advantages I did not have. I had to make my way without them which may explain why I did not get that far. But I was especially upset by racism. I just never understood it. It made me cry when I read about it. So I am very much with Bernie on that.

Bernie has compassion. He combines honesty with compassion. If that is how you define "socialism," then I agree with it.

Generally in America, the term is used to be synonymous with communism. In Europe democratic socialism does not mean communism at all. There is nothing forced or dictatorial about democratic socialism. It is different in every country because it reflects the will of the voters, of the people and is not a strict ideology. I hope that is understandable to those who are confused by the difference between the term, "socialism" as used in the United States and "democratic socialism" as used in Europe. An economist could probably explain this better than I can.

A DUer asked me about this yesterday because I am fairly conservative about economic matters compared to the socialists on this board. I am very liberal compared to right-wing conservatives. I am somewhere in between as I think Bernie is.

Dustlawyer

(10,495 posts)
6. A couple of years ago Bank of America ran a test in some California city before their plans to go
Tue May 5, 2015, 01:34 PM
May 2015

nationwide with a $5.00 charge for DEPOSITING MONEY in accounts! Needless to say it died a quick death, but the fact that they thought we would tolerate charging us money to put money in their bank shows how greedy and out of touch these Banksters are!

 

mckara

(1,708 posts)
7. Socialism and the American Frontier
Tue May 5, 2015, 02:34 PM
May 2015

Frederick Jackson Turner wrote essays about social change, which included discussions of democracy and socialism, as settlers claimed homesteads on the frontier. Socialism is American as apple pie.

http://xroads.virginia.edu/~HYPER/TURNER/chapter12.html

Oilwellian

(12,647 posts)
8. I clicked your link and...
Tue May 5, 2015, 04:41 PM
May 2015

it hurt my eyes. LOL

I think Bernie is the perfect person to explain how pervasive socialism already is in this country. An example that has always made me laugh is how socialistic professional football is. The larger, more heavily populated cities that have a pro team, subsidize the smaller, less populated cities and teams. The same goes with the majority of blue states subsidizing poorer red states. The insurance industry is socialistic. And of course SS, Medicare, Medicaid, etc., are all socialistic and hugely popular. I can't wait to hear Bernie speak.

 

mckara

(1,708 posts)
9. I know what you mean...
Tue May 5, 2015, 05:45 PM
May 2015

Download it in PDF format and it becomes more like an ebook, or find the essay with a different source. Essentially, there is a portion of the article that tells how the vastness of the West made it impossible for individuals to conquer the frontier. Therefore, settlers collectivized their efforts through the agent of government to overcome problems too large for individuals and businesses to provide at all or equally to all areas. The West was also where women were given opportunities equal to men, such as coeducational colleges and universities, and the first states giving women the right to vote, Wyoming and Colorado.

It's worthwhile to format this and his other essays into readable pages. The American West was the home of progressive politicians and the idea for using government as a tool for protecting democracy!

Vinca

(50,273 posts)
14. Bernie wants to take us back to the good old days when government gave a damn about us.
Wed May 6, 2015, 08:12 AM
May 2015

His passion reminds me of FDR.

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