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Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
Tue May 5, 2015, 03:48 PM May 2015

Bedtime Reading Could Disadvantage Other Children, Academic Says

Could snuggling up in bed and reading a bedtime story to your children ever be a bad thing?

An ABC Radio National program about whether “Having a loving family is an unfair advantage” has questioned whether bedtime reading is causing an uneven playing field for more unfortunate children.

British academic Adam Swift told ABC presenter Joe Gelonesi the benefits of the time-honoured custom were greater than a private school education.

“Evidence shows that the difference between those who get bedtime stories and those who don’t — the difference in their life chances — is bigger than the difference between those who get elite private schooling and those that don’t,” Mr Swift said.

According to Mr Swift, the “devilish twist” was whether bedtime stories should be restricted.

Read more at http://www.9news.com.au/national/2015/05/05/09/44/bedtime-reading-could-disadvantage-other-children-academic-says#4QfXyedfVOuq05pE.99

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Bedtime Reading Could Disadvantage Other Children, Academic Says (Original Post) Purveyor May 2015 OP
Wow! Makes me very glad that I did not read to my kids at bedtime. SheilaT May 2015 #1
LOL, I must really be unfair because I read to my kid during the day *and* at night. winter is coming May 2015 #6
you have harmed so many kids with your darn reading Liberal_in_LA May 2015 #12
I read to my kids in the car. They tell me to shut up. bravenak May 2015 #2
I sang to my kid and he hid under the floorboard angstlessk May 2015 #38
strange conclusion JI7 May 2015 #3
Because saying something crazy gets you noticed in the press frazzled May 2015 #4
Me too yeoman6987 May 2015 #29
+1. winter is coming May 2015 #5
And quite aside from those very sensible reasons, SheilaT May 2015 #16
My teachers did that when I was growing up, as well. winter is coming May 2015 #18
save me from this flavor of idiocy cali May 2015 #7
Is this guy a descendant of Jonathan Swift? hedda_foil May 2015 #8
Speaking of reading whatchamacallit May 2015 #9
I learned to read at 4. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2015 #10
By that logic, anything you do to care for your child is "disadvantaging" children pnwmom May 2015 #11
This is the limitation of discussing injustice in terms of privilege. lumberjack_jeff May 2015 #13
There is, and this moran's "conclusions" hifiguy May 2015 #14
I had to double check that I wasn't reading The Onion. Adrahil May 2015 #15
Same here. trof May 2015 #35
What? HappyMe May 2015 #17
He was being sarcastic, but he has a good point philosslayer May 2015 #19
A very good point exboyfil May 2015 #26
Samuel L Jackson's bed-time stories: LeftInTX May 2015 #20
in a socialist economic structure PowerToThePeople May 2015 #21
Used to be but even socialist countries are struggling yeoman6987 May 2015 #30
uh, those are all capitalist states. PowerToThePeople May 2015 #31
At least you know the European countries are capitalist based. former9thward May 2015 #39
"Brown Hill" by Squatt and Levitt seveneyes May 2015 #22
Wait....wut? Iggo May 2015 #23
I'm outraged that I don't get irony! REP May 2015 #24
This thread reads like a test of who read the whole article and who didn't n/t gollygee May 2015 #25
i think the headline pretty much has the gist, lol! unblock May 2015 #27
No, it's just clickbait gollygee May 2015 #42
ok... let's just say absolutely nothing in the article came as a surprise to me based on the title. unblock May 2015 #43
Worthless click-bait article Pooka Fey May 2015 #28
Here is a better article detailing the ideas of the two philosophers on this subject: jonno99 May 2015 #32
I clicked and closed immediately Pooka Fey May 2015 #36
Agreed. But I thought the OP's article was SO over the top, that I was compelled to jonno99 May 2015 #37
I think the point was 1% vs 99% PowerToThePeople May 2015 #34
This message was self-deleted by its author jonno99 May 2015 #33
who in the Nine Hells wrote this article? MisterP May 2015 #40
"Harrison Bergeron" by Kurt Vonnegut Generic Other May 2015 #41
 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
1. Wow! Makes me very glad that I did not read to my kids at bedtime.
Tue May 5, 2015, 03:49 PM
May 2015

I read to them during the day. So I guess they weren't unfairly advantaged over other kids.

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
6. LOL, I must really be unfair because I read to my kid during the day *and* at night.
Tue May 5, 2015, 03:58 PM
May 2015

In general, kids love being read to, and it's a great way to transition them from physical activity into something calmer.

angstlessk

(11,862 posts)
38. I sang to my kid and he hid under the floorboard
Tue May 5, 2015, 07:06 PM
May 2015

"When the red red robin comes a bob bob bobbin along..." head under floorboard

JI7

(89,250 posts)
3. strange conclusion
Tue May 5, 2015, 03:51 PM
May 2015

instead of viewing it as disadvantaging other kids why not encourage it for all kids ?

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
4. Because saying something crazy gets you noticed in the press
Tue May 5, 2015, 03:56 PM
May 2015

I feel like I'm living in the middle of crazy. I like crazy if it's something meant to be crazy. But not news, and not health or education "studies."

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
29. Me too
Tue May 5, 2015, 05:47 PM
May 2015

Who thought of this dumb study? I guess a person who was not read to as a child. Every child is read too. If not bought books then books from the library. Such nonsense study.

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
5. +1.
Tue May 5, 2015, 03:56 PM
May 2015

No thought given as to why parents might not read at bedtime, either. Exhausted from working multiple jobs? Not that well-educated themselves, so they never became a reader? Can't afford books and can't get to the library when it's open?

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
16. And quite aside from those very sensible reasons,
Tue May 5, 2015, 04:37 PM
May 2015

I happened not to ever have a story at bedtime as part of my routine either as a child or as a parent. Although I did love reading to them, and had the time and energy to do it during the day.


Because of the things you offered as to why a parent might not read to a child, many elementary teachers have regular reading to kids as part of the day. I was fortunate enough to have teachers doing that as late as 6th grade. I was in a classroom full of excellent readers, and we all loved being read to.

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
18. My teachers did that when I was growing up, as well.
Tue May 5, 2015, 04:43 PM
May 2015

We'd come in from afternoon recess (yes, we had recess twice a day, so clearly I'm a dinosaur) and the teacher would read to us while we cooled down or warmed up from being outside.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
7. save me from this flavor of idiocy
Tue May 5, 2015, 03:59 PM
May 2015

To even entertain the idea that bedtime reading disadvantages other children is moronic. Hey, I must have been especially bad as I read my kid such elitist material as TS Eliot

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
10. I learned to read at 4.
Tue May 5, 2015, 04:01 PM
May 2015

My older bro and sisters taught me to read because they were tired of reading to me.

When I started school I had to skip kindergarten because I was too "advanced".

I bless them for being lazy and teaching me to read. I've been a reader all my life and still love books.

pnwmom

(108,978 posts)
11. By that logic, anything you do to care for your child is "disadvantaging" children
Tue May 5, 2015, 04:03 PM
May 2015

who have less careful or nurturing parents.

So I guess all children should be neglected, just to be fair.

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
13. This is the limitation of discussing injustice in terms of privilege.
Tue May 5, 2015, 04:23 PM
May 2015

The remedy for "too much privilege" is to bring everyone to the least common denominator.

 

philosslayer

(3,076 posts)
19. He was being sarcastic, but he has a good point
Tue May 5, 2015, 04:47 PM
May 2015

Parents SHOULD be aware of the advantages that are conveyed upon their children, and be compassionate and supportive of those who don't get that type of support from their parents. Its all about being aware of privilege. Be it white, academic, or whatever.

exboyfil

(17,863 posts)
26. A very good point
Tue May 5, 2015, 05:14 PM
May 2015

I explained this to my daughter once when she thought that Affirmative Action was unfair. I told her to think about all the advantages that we have given her to start her life when compared to another child. I was glad that she did her CNA class at a satellite campus that was in an impoverished area of our metro area. She met struggling single mothers who were trying to get qualified to do a very hard job without enough pay. It was far better for my daughter to be in class with these women than at the high school with others privileged like herself.

former9thward

(32,012 posts)
39. At least you know the European countries are capitalist based.
Tue May 5, 2015, 07:15 PM
May 2015

So many think they are socialist. I guess that is as far as we can agree though.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
42. No, it's just clickbait
Tue May 5, 2015, 07:23 PM
May 2015

“You have to allow parents to engage in bedtime stories activities, in fact we encourage them because those are the kinds of interactions between parents and children that do indeed foster and produce these (desired) familial relationship goods.”

But parents should be mindful of the advantage provided by bedtime reading, he said.

unblock

(52,240 posts)
43. ok... let's just say absolutely nothing in the article came as a surprise to me based on the title.
Tue May 5, 2015, 07:33 PM
May 2015

Pooka Fey

(3,496 posts)
28. Worthless click-bait article
Tue May 5, 2015, 05:31 PM
May 2015
and I read the whole thing, twice, because it is so poorly and stupidly written, that I couldn't figure out their point. Then I realized that it's click-bait.

Parents, please keep reading to your kids. Your kids, your responsibility.

Co-dependant boundary-lacking neurosis-inducing crap. The article was written to get you to click and see the ads. Period.

jonno99

(2,620 posts)
32. Here is a better article detailing the ideas of the two philosophers on this subject:
Tue May 5, 2015, 05:59 PM
May 2015

(fyi - I employ pop-up & "Flash" blockers on my browser, so I can't speak to what this site generates)
http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/philosopherszone/new-family-values/6437058

The "money" quote:
‘The evidence shows that the difference between those who get bedtime stories and those who don’t—the difference in their life chances—is bigger than the difference between those who get elite private schooling and those that don’t,’ he says.

Pooka Fey

(3,496 posts)
36. I clicked and closed immediately
Tue May 5, 2015, 06:18 PM
May 2015

Not interested in this framing mechanism. I try to avoid insanity-inducing gas-lighting academics who depend on shock-value to bolster book sales and word-cloud false outrage internet discussions.

Thanks anyway, though.

jonno99

(2,620 posts)
37. Agreed. But I thought the OP's article was SO over the top, that I was compelled to
Tue May 5, 2015, 06:41 PM
May 2015

dig a little deeper in an attempt to get the "real" story.

IMO, the author of the OP (ninemsn?) did us a disservice and twisted the intent of the of the two philosophers "work".

Overall, their conclusions are fairly well reasoned and not so fantastic as we we led to believe - by the OP.

tifwiw...

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