Corporations and others who hire those who have entered illegally.

I have not heard that before. Do you think the Latino community has because according to this board they overwhelmingly support Clinton.

McGovern.

The gun stuff must not be working......This is the third or fourth iteration of this incident.

And if shes talking about Egypt you gotta wonder why he didn't spill the beans on that. Wouldn't have been hard.

He wanted the attention. He got it. BFD.

Ironically, this happened at a Hillary speech where she condemned beating up protesters. Listen and watch to the whole thing.
Evidently this stuff is okay in the United States, but not overseas, where we can intervene.

But, no doubt Amy Goodman had her staff create those ugly bruises just for this interview and created the bloody pants story for him to recite. I mean ........ they've both always been all about the lying.



Good god.

Boston bean wants to suggest that he told a questioner to shut up for asking about Israel.

Nothing could be farther from the truth. Just watch the video.

I don't get into these threads normally because they're really none of my business, but that video was pretty self-explanatory for anyone saying he was peacefully escorted out. What a bunch of horseshit.

Bernie is a Jew. Bernie told someone to shut up because he was asked about Israel.

Dirty anti-semitic smear.

I happen to agree with Bernie in the video.

A lot of his supporters don't.

So, I guess that somehow makes me anti-Semitic?

Yet a video posted upthread by a person in it who disagrees with Bernie and that Israel is the cause of a lot of trouble for the US isn't..

Twisted would be one way to put it.

You are a liar by intent.

The OP is an effort to drive a wedge between Bernie and progressives who loathe our one-sided Israel policy. Not an anti-semitic attack on Bernie.

If I were in one of those town halls and the topic was Israel, he'd probably be telling me to shut up, too.

But I still prefer him, despite his bad position on Israel policy.

"Don't tase me, bro!"

I have finally seen a dyed in the wool puma. I think. Yowser! Now I have a face for the mindset that really solidified my vote for the President in 08. She's right up there with the lady at the McCain rally who went off on the tangent about the President being a Muslim. A hair's width of difference. I thought it was a vibe at the time, but I see I was right. Second class citizen?

There's a better version somewhere where she gives her name and tries to walk away but then gets prodded by the offscreen interviewer and goes off the deep end. I thought this was hilarious at the time but now I wonder where she went. You gotta give her credit for passion at least. Wonder if she still feels the same way.

So I went to YouTube and found this.


....Uploaded on Jun 1, 2008

An older woman from New York, supporter of Senator Clinton's campaign, who appears to have been removed from the Committee and Rules Meeting at the Democratic Delegate Conference in Washington D.C. shouts that McCain will win the White House, God Damn Democratic Party and that Barack Obama was in Inadequate Black Male and the only reason he was in the race was because a white female was running.

Old politics vs. new politics are quite obvious in this clip.

This an example of one of the saddest people on the planet! It brings back so many memories of family gatherings that it brings bile to the belly. That is sooooo sad.

Same exact pitch.

And she died almost two years ago.

It is refreshing to see a politician not trying to "come across as likable".

What he did beats the hell out of smiling a polite smile while security drags out the hecklers.

The video is 7 minutes long, uncut and goes to show where Bernie stands on I/P.

The video doesn't bother me, I don't necessarily disagree with him, but I thought a lot of people would like to know his position.

I would say yes, it's propaganda.

Some of that was crazy. I wouldn't call it a Christie impersonation. But they both have some NY in them.

I think Bernie handled that situation very well !

He gave people a mike to ask questions he proceeded to answer a question. All one had to do was wait for the answer then ask for a mike to ask their question. This looks worse for those people who interrupt than it does for Bernie.

Like I said upthread.. His responses don't really bother me... they aren't far off from my own.

But I presume many of his supporters have a different idea on I/P.

I don't care what most people's opinion of the I/P matter is, most people don't know jack about it including me. Yet, everyone has an opinion. My uninformed opinion is that there should be a two state solution and that the new Palestinian State should get the bulk of the foreign aid that Israel currently gets. And their should be some insurances in place against discrimination. There is way to much slave labor going on their via Palestinians working for practically nothing and way too much going on with travel restrictions. I don't think the two state solution would be enough to address those issues.

whats not to like?

I guess I couldn't hear that over the shouting interrupters. Then he gave the best answer and he handled the interrupters very well. They were rude beyond belief.

and I loved the fire. My chief concern about Sanders was that he was meek. I'm no longer suffering from that misconception!

lol, but you don't attack bernie. Nah, not you. You keep insisting that. Hey, I do attack Hillary's positions (more like courage free, non-positions) and her transparent "evolution".

You don't like Bernie. And you stand against him . Cool. Go for the gusto, bean- but try a dollop of honesty along with it

so, no I haven't posted if 4-6 times.

If you have other instances you wish to show to prove me a liar, please provide.

I'll post the inconsistencies he has with his supporters all I like and will continue to do so. If that bothers you, trash thread works.

And I do like Sanders. I hate to have to point this shit out. But I'm not going to go live in some bubble where one candidates supporters get to bludgeon others, when the record states differently.

I support Hillary. She and Sanders are very close on almost every issue... I'll take the opportunity to point it out each time because it happens to be the truth..

and I responded to it once, once you posted it in response to me. Now this. I think there was a forth.

Hillary and Bernie are vastly different on many issues- not that we know where she stands as she won't tell us

TPP? obfuscating nothingness.

Keystone? Plain old nothing.

Raising the cap on social security? Zip

Breaking up the biggest banks? Silence.

She's a centrist. That's better than the repubs by a long shot, but it is not similar to Bernie on issue after issue

She and Bernie are close on most issues....

I just don't see her as the evil centrist like you do.

And as you state, Bernie is not perfect nor will any candidate be. So why all the angst over this?

Hillary or Bernie?

1. His opinions are shared by the majority of Americans
2. Who here didn't give Bernie a silent "hell yeah!" when he told the bellowers to shut up?

Sanders is tapping into populist anger, he's got to show some fire. I wouldn't be surprised if the Sanders team had been hoping for just such an opportunity,

Good old Bernie

Bernie is incredibly respectful and polite and the 1st 1:45 or so is the woman asking the video about Israel.

Bernie begins to respond and is into no more than 30 seconds before a man from the audience angrily interrupts HIM.

That is when Bernie says "Excuse me, shut up."

NOT to the woman who asked about Israel and you insinuate so nauseatingly deceptively.

He should have said, "let me finish the answer."

But where I grew up, he was answering and angry person in the correct manner, the manner it deserved.

But that is just my upbringing. Perhaps your was different.

they have nothing substantive to say about the issue.

It's not done and he's not a neophyte in politics, so I'm surprised he

hasn't developed a little more, um, "polish"? during appearances like this.

I support the guy, but this is completely unacceptable.

I've lived in VT less than three years and have gone to at least three of them. In all, he took questions from anyone and everyone. No one was shy about asking anything and he answered all of the politely. There was one, when after I think the third question on the F35 , he said that he had answered everything he had to say on that and pointed out that he had the ambassador of (I think Denmark) there and the topic of both his talk and the ambassador's was healthcare and he thought it would be better to take advantage of the ambassador to learn more about how it works there.

This is a level of questioning that I doubt HRC has had since Arkansas days! After all, she erupted with anger in the far more formal SFRC hearing room. I know many here liked the show of anger but, I would but her angry "What difference does it make" up against this to any neutral listener.

To me as a newbie to Vermont - (or at least Burlington which some Vermonters have commented "isn't that near Vermont?&quot , one huge difference is how personal connections are to politicians. Both Senators are accessible and so is our mayor. In comparison, though active in my county's Democratic party, I never met Menendez. I met Lautenberg twice and was incredibly impressed.

A politician especially should know this. Not Presidential material.

and Judith has supported Bernie. My guess is she's supporting him now.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judith_Levine

Maybe I am missing something..... does she go by Kathy?

identify herself as Kathy? It's not full face on, but i'm pretty damn sure that's Judith Levine.

Beyond that, time to call bullshit on how YOU frame this video. You claim that his response is to questions. Disgusting and, er, inaccurate to be charitable to you. it's in response to being threatened and screamed at. duh. and you damn well know this. But you while mendaciously claiming that this is for informational purposes only, (yeah, sure, bean) characterize it in a way that is far from the truth.

You're attacking Bernie in a way that veers from the truth and pretending it's for informational purposes. Honesty. It should be what's for breakfast.

and asked her name, she stated Kathy. And it was the same voice as the woman reading the question.

I've already explained to you my reason for posting it.

I am not attacking Bernie... I am making points that seem to bother others about his positions. Again, no candidate is perfect, we can agree on that.

Did you take the time to watch the video-

no I guess?

that Sanders has you rather worried. Good. Keep the hits coming.

Bernie supporters should take notice on how Obama handles people who disrupt.

and as far as I know, he never has. Bernie let Judith go on for close to two minutes. He was polite to her. It was only when people started THREATENING him (come down here) and screaming at him that he told that person to shut up.

He didn't boot them out. Hillary has done that. And as for interacting with people like Bernie does all the time and has done for years? Yeah, that'll be the day- as in never.

Because I have personal experience and YES, she listened to me and was genuinely interested in my thoughts.

Not once, but twice... And I'm just a lowly voter.

Obama does mix with voters.

When he was running, he most certainly did.

I can see the big smile he does when something untoward happens in his speeches.

Everyone who has done public speaking, whether in the classroom or the auditorium, feels like saying "shut up" from time to time; but, in my view, it is not the right way to handle things. Obama is much classier in the way he handles such things. Perhaps he is better trained at public speaking.

I admit that it is better than dragging out hecklers or shooting them, but I still believe it is inappropriate. It has a negative rhetorical impact and sours the mood of the audience and makes them lose concentration for a moment.

I was very disappointed that he did that. Then again, we are all human and have our bad days, especially when we are tired and irritating persons are more able to get a rise out of us.

There are many useful techniques for handling loud-mouthed disrupters, and I am sure that in the future Bernie's campaign managers will help him in this regard.

It's rude as hell...P.S. I am a Bernie supporter.

Alex, I would like Techniques For Handling Disruptors for $500 please.

Kewl!

This is just bald-faced, unacceptable rudeness -- I doubt that you

would find it "kewl" if someone spoke to you like that, I know

I certainly wouldn't.

This is an area in which he will HAVE to improve.

It's what he is and does. Period.

As far as the term "shut up" goes, I don't care for it either, but it is refreshing to see a candidate speak his mind now and then, as opposed to the psychobabble politicians generally serve up, being soooooo careful not to offend anyone.

I just couldn't think of another word. Please forgive.

As for the "shut up" thing, he's going to have to learn to "speak his mind"

in a more polite way. Period.

to my view."

How ruuuuuuude.

Imagine the nerve of not wanting to be interrupted while answering somebody else's question.

If so... it didn't work.

Thanks for the positive Bernie clip.

he's probably better off restating, or asking them to restate the question.

He, along with the few other politicians brave enough to face the general public will probably have to deal with hecklers and media mining for 'sound bites'.

shut-up isn't a good word to use, as shut-up is what the Gov. has told us Americans for decades! personally, I wish Sen. Sanders would go after the corruption in OUR Gov. , in our country.

We have the "best government money can buy," the very definition of corruption, and he has targeted that for years.

1) The whole 'purity troll' thing Conservative Democrats whine about was never actually reality, so pointing out a few departures from "orthodoxy" isn't going to drive many away. You shouldn't buy your own bullshit.

2) As usual, Clinton has at least one more distasteful incident that fits into the same category, as seen in that McGovern clip.

Thanks for the "information". Still voting for Sanders.

You're better than this. Please consider backing off the attacks a bit and dealing with peoples' difference in candidate choices with a bit more restraint.

I posted a video of a town hall meeting. I like Bernie Sanders a lot. I'm not voting for him in the primary though. I like another candidates shot at the WH better.

So, after all the Hillary bashing, incessantly since and before her announcement, means one can't post an actual town hall meeting because it is considered "disgusting", forgive me if I don't find the advice to me fitting.

Amazing all these people coming from the same place -they all just LOVE Bernie and happen to have the exact same talking points that they are smearing him with.

Beware the person you become.

to "SHUT UP!"

Bernie's constituents = his employers.


But hey Its Bernie, he gets a pass on gun love and slapping down his constituents as well.

I am sure many of these folks have accused Obama supporters of being cult-like, or swooners or some such pejorative.

I've received tons of criticism for simply bringing up his legislative record and raising the pretty reasonable question of his ability to get bills passed.

Now, you post the actual unedited video of a Bernie town hall meeting and they attack you as if you did something underhanded.

Folks who are that unable to deal with milquetoast criticism of their candidate this far out are in for a rough ride.

That guy was a provocateur.

The post implies that Bernie replied "shut-up" to the question about Israel, which is complete fiction. Bernie tried hard to answer the question calmly, but they tried to drown him out with heckling, and that one guy was yelling at the top of his lungs filibustering Bernie.

Either they want him to answer the question, or they want to stomp their feet and be the center of attention themselves. They can't have it both ways.

Here's the Washington Post's article on this event that took place in August 2014.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/in-the-loop/wp/2014/08/20/answering-question-on-israel-bernie-sanders-tells-townhall-hecklers-to-shut-up/

and pathetic.

It's going to be a long freaking election season.

It's the content of his response that bothers me.

applies here: Well, bless your heart...



This is the best you can do?

Man oh man do I love this OP. Keep it up, please.

and justifying Israeli occupation, all because Bernie adopts the position? Is there any point at which principle figures in the discussion or does hero worship trump all?

This is some desperate, flailing bullshit.

If Hillary told people to shut up at a similar town hall event, we would never hear the end of it here. The people who don't like Hillary would be bashing her relentlessly for it.

Bernie does it and people here consider it an unfair attack?

Seems there's a double standard.

I think the Bernie supporters need tougher skin. Hillary has been attacked quite a bit here recently.

What's the saying?

If you can't take it, don't dish it?



Peace.

nt

The two Democratic candidates for the nomination agree on one issue.

Head for the 3:15 mark or so.

That woman at the outset is hard as hell to hear, anyway.

I will say, if HRC said "Shut up--you don't have the microphone" and "ExCUUUUUUUUSE ME...." she'd have her ass handed to her here.

He seems a bit short-tempered in that clip. I wonder if it was warm in that room?

nt