Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search
 

cali

(114,904 posts)
Mon May 11, 2015, 11:11 AM May 2015

The Clinton campaign just wants the tpp to go away

It won't. This debate is about to intensify. And if HRC were actually opposed to the tpp she would have spoken out. As the democrat with the 2nd most influence outside of the President, she could actually have had an impact on the debate in Congress.

<snip>

Clinton has so far handled TPP with extreme care – last month her campaign chief, John Podesta, was caught in private remarks to donors saying: “Can you make it go away?

<snip>

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/may/10/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-trans-pacific-partnership

The tpa and tpp may well pass Congress. If they do it will be by razor thin margins, just as in the past. But pass or fail, this is going to be a big issue, and HRC is going to be caught between a rock and a hard place.

Sorry, but this is not what political leadership or political courage looks like. It's the opposite.

33 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
The Clinton campaign just wants the tpp to go away (Original Post) cali May 2015 OP
Yawn trumad May 2015 #1
Yawn. Hardly a surprise that you aren't, er, issue oriented, true cali May 2015 #2
At least I'm diverse. trumad May 2015 #11
lol. not even a little bit, true cali May 2015 #14
I see you trumad May 2015 #19
Not caring is not the proper response. Dawgs May 2015 #3
Not caring is easier than actually thinking and learning about issues. cali May 2015 #4
Not caring is, IMO, an attempt to marginalize the subject so there is no conversation about it. djean111 May 2015 #7
well, a "yawn" certainly is an attempt to marginalize. cali May 2015 #8
Yawn trumad May 2015 #10
Exactly Dawgs May 2015 #21
What I think is kindof funny ... Mother Of Four May 2015 #31
Wow, I never knew that "Block Member" worked so well. erronis May 2015 #26
It sure does look like Obama wants this out of the way well before Hillary has to take a djean111 May 2015 #5
He's impotent when it comes to getting this out of the way as an issue. cali May 2015 #6
I'm afraid it's on his bucket list. Baitball Blogger May 2015 #12
It makes her look pathetic. askew May 2015 #9
Oh, Cali. If she holds out long enough, she can voice her opposition to it after it passes. Baitball Blogger May 2015 #13
she won't. she'll give us crap about how she'll fix it. cali May 2015 #15
yet some are imnew May 2015 #33
I just want the Clinton campaign to go away. bigwillq May 2015 #16
It ai't going nowhere cali May 2015 #17
Oh, I know. bigwillq May 2015 #18
I'm afraid the days of "Profiles in Courage" are long behind us. Buns_of_Fire May 2015 #20
There does seem to be an almost robotic, scripted presentation erronis May 2015 #29
It seems Bernie has no plans at all workinclasszero May 2015 #22
he's been very detailed regarding his plans. he's certainly been very detailed cali May 2015 #23
I agree turbinetree May 2015 #25
Agree 1,000,000% about Bernie's opposition to Free Trade Agreements d_legendary1 May 2015 #30
It's sad to see the President team up with Republicans and the US Chamber of Commerce neverforget May 2015 #27
What the fuck! Dawgs May 2015 #32
She's a populist! raindaddy May 2015 #24
Come out strongly against it...maybe that will help it go away. CanonRay May 2015 #28
 

cali

(114,904 posts)
2. Yawn. Hardly a surprise that you aren't, er, issue oriented, true
Mon May 11, 2015, 11:15 AM
May 2015

now don't you have an op to post about yourself or one to post in the sports group taunting patriot fans?

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
14. lol. not even a little bit, true
Mon May 11, 2015, 11:52 AM
May 2015

me, me, me and slamming the patriots, along with your inevitable dull "yawn" do not constitute diversity. In fact they are the opposite of it.

Issues? Nah, true doesn't need no stinkin' issues.



 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
7. Not caring is, IMO, an attempt to marginalize the subject so there is no conversation about it.
Mon May 11, 2015, 11:28 AM
May 2015

Won't work, doesn't work, but hey! it's a try at shutting down opposition. And I don't get the impression that you are trying to impress any one particular poster. The yawn is not relevant.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
8. well, a "yawn" certainly is an attempt to marginalize.
Mon May 11, 2015, 11:30 AM
May 2015

you're right. I don't give a damn whether I impress or don't impress.

Mother Of Four

(1,716 posts)
31. What I think is kindof funny ...
Mon May 11, 2015, 02:21 PM
May 2015

Is the fact that to actually post a "Yawn" the person has to care. If they didn't it would be a shrug and a meh in the privacy of their own home as they moved on to the next post. By trying to show they don't care, it does the exact opposite. (shakes her head)

Its juvenile and says A LOT about the person who posts something like that.

erronis

(15,339 posts)
26. Wow, I never knew that "Block Member" worked so well.
Mon May 11, 2015, 01:51 PM
May 2015

Unfortunately a little too well since I could no longer see the replies to your "Yawn" and they are actually worth reading.

Perhaps DU could add a feature to show that comments from blocked members are present and would only be shown if explicitly asked.

Anyhoo, looking forward to more of your witticisms!

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
5. It sure does look like Obama wants this out of the way well before Hillary has to take a
Mon May 11, 2015, 11:24 AM
May 2015

position on it. Worked on it for years, all of a sudden - MUST BE PASSED!!!!! - even though there are demonstrations against it in the other signatory countries, too. Personally - yeah, I accept that this is real important - important enough for me to base ALL future support and votes on how this goes. Anyone who votes yes - as they say on Shark Tank - dead to me.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
6. He's impotent when it comes to getting this out of the way as an issue.
Mon May 11, 2015, 11:27 AM
May 2015

And I believe she can and will continue to avoid doing anything but uttering meaningless easy to interpret as you wish platitudes about her beliefs on trade issues.

That doesn't mean it won't plague her.

askew

(1,464 posts)
9. It makes her look pathetic.
Mon May 11, 2015, 11:30 AM
May 2015

Just like hiding from the press and only doing closed-door fundraisers, speeches with no audience interaction or townhalls with voters who have been pre-screened by her campaign to make sure they are friendly enough. As a woman, I find her cowardice in facing any real voters or discussing any real issues embarrassing. The fact that she is sending out her husband, her daughter and a legion of sleazy advisors to talk for her is just sad.

You can bet money that she'll wait until the fast-track passes before she comes out against the TPP. Because by that point, it will be too late for it to matter.

Every other candidate on both sides is giving interviews, talking to voters that may not be friendly and taking hard stands on issues. Hillary is raising money and running from reporters. Yet we are supposed to be impressed with her leadership. Give me a break.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
15. she won't. she'll give us crap about how she'll fix it.
Mon May 11, 2015, 11:54 AM
May 2015

There are 17 or so trade agreements in the USTR pipeline.

She's pro-corporate policy.

How anyone could be fooled by her is beyond me.

Buns_of_Fire

(17,197 posts)
20. I'm afraid the days of "Profiles in Courage" are long behind us.
Mon May 11, 2015, 12:34 PM
May 2015

I've no doubt that she'll avoid answering ANY questions that might pin her down to a "yes" or a "no" for as long as humanly possible. And even THEN, it'll be something like 'we have to ensure that any trade agreements we enter into are fair for all sides' (which is about as meaningless a comment as I could come up with on such short notice).

Very disappointing, so far. I hope that changes as the campaigns start to heat up a little.

erronis

(15,339 posts)
29. There does seem to be an almost robotic, scripted presentation
Mon May 11, 2015, 01:59 PM
May 2015

I think her royal handlers (HRH) have got the talking/greeting points nailed down. First of all, get that clown husband on meds and out of the country. He actually was fun to watch and wonder what he'd next be "involved" with.

I'll miss Obama and his fantastic dead-pan yet hilarious delivery. Even while he has been involved in some stuff that doesn't seem to be in the interest of the country.

Bernie I'll never say is robotic or scripted - perhaps to a fault, not. Lots of people like stepford politicians, especially their masters.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
22. It seems Bernie has no plans at all
Mon May 11, 2015, 01:06 PM
May 2015

except to do what the republicans do, attack, smear and make up BS about Hillary.

Sad to see democrats wallowing in the same slime pit as republican teahaddists.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
23. he's been very detailed regarding his plans. he's certainly been very detailed
Mon May 11, 2015, 01:15 PM
May 2015

about his opposition to the tpp. Hillary has obfuscatd. He has not.

And Bernie has been respectful to Hillary. He's gone easy on her and refused to take the bait.

Sad to see utter bullshit thrown out and touted as the truth.

Now put up or....

turbinetree

(24,720 posts)
25. I agree
Mon May 11, 2015, 01:29 PM
May 2015

with your assessment, this is not a hard issue to answer either yes or no.
And Sanders has been very hard line on this issue and he has said he does not support this "deal".
This is why I am hoping that I can volunteer to help win this election, he has been specific in this issue----------------it is not good for human beings, and you are correct --------either put up or................
He also has said he will not attack another person running for this position-----------but I on the other hand I can attack------------and will attack and protect his flank, or any other progressives flank


d_legendary1

(2,586 posts)
30. Agree 1,000,000% about Bernie's opposition to Free Trade Agreements
Mon May 11, 2015, 02:00 PM
May 2015

As a matter of fact Bernie is calling her out on those issues:

On Sunday, Sanders broadened his attack: “On foreign policy, Hillary Clinton voted for the war in Iraq … Not only I voted against, I helped lead the effort against what I knew would be a disaster.

“On climate change, I have helped lead the effort against the Keystone pipeline. I’m not quite sure Hillary Clinton has come out with a position on that. So those are just some areas where we differ.”

Sanders also repeated his determination to overturn the 2010 Citizens United supreme court decision, which gave rise to unrestrained spending on elections....Clinton has said she will form a super PAC, the type of fundraising body brought into being by Citizens United, to fight her 2016 campaign.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/may/10/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-trans-pacific-partnership

Bernie, on the other hand, will not be starting a Super PAC

neverforget

(9,437 posts)
27. It's sad to see the President team up with Republicans and the US Chamber of Commerce
Mon May 11, 2015, 01:53 PM
May 2015

to ram the TPA and TPP through Congress. Who knew that Republicans and the Chamber were standing up for working class Americans?

 

Dawgs

(14,755 posts)
32. What the fuck!
Mon May 11, 2015, 02:28 PM
May 2015

Bernie is against the TPP and has said it everywhere and often.

And, what explicitly has Bernie said that was an attack or smear on Hillary.

The following quote might be the best example, and it's more of Bernie stating facts than anything else.

On Sunday, Sanders broadened his attack: “On foreign policy, Hillary Clinton voted for the war in Iraq … Not only I voted against, I helped lead the effort against what I knew would be a disaster.

“On climate change, I have helped lead the effort against the Keystone pipeline. I’m not quite sure Hillary Clinton has come out with a position on that. So those are just some areas where we differ.”

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/may/10/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-trans-pacific-partnership

Please try again.

raindaddy

(1,370 posts)
24. She's a populist!
Mon May 11, 2015, 01:21 PM
May 2015

100 % behind the middle class and that's all you need to know.

Much like when they bought George W. Bush a ranch and a pickup and he ran as a Texas cowboy against Al Gore.

Latest Discussions»General Discussion»The Clinton campaign just...