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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe Clinton campaign just wants the tpp to go away
It won't. This debate is about to intensify. And if HRC were actually opposed to the tpp she would have spoken out. As the democrat with the 2nd most influence outside of the President, she could actually have had an impact on the debate in Congress.
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Clinton has so far handled TPP with extreme care last month her campaign chief, John Podesta, was caught in private remarks to donors saying: Can you make it go away?
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http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/may/10/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-trans-pacific-partnership
The tpa and tpp may well pass Congress. If they do it will be by razor thin margins, just as in the past. But pass or fail, this is going to be a big issue, and HRC is going to be caught between a rock and a hard place.
Sorry, but this is not what political leadership or political courage looks like. It's the opposite.
Keep trying.
cali
(114,904 posts)now don't you have an op to post about yourself or one to post in the sports group taunting patriot fans?
trumad
(41,692 posts)Not a one trick pony like some.
cali
(114,904 posts)me, me, me and slamming the patriots, along with your inevitable dull "yawn" do not constitute diversity. In fact they are the opposite of it.
Issues? Nah, true doesn't need no stinkin' issues.
Dawgs
(14,755 posts)Wow.
cali
(114,904 posts)djean111
(14,255 posts)Won't work, doesn't work, but hey! it's a try at shutting down opposition. And I don't get the impression that you are trying to impress any one particular poster. The yawn is not relevant.
cali
(114,904 posts)you're right. I don't give a damn whether I impress or don't impress.
Mother Of Four
(1,716 posts)Is the fact that to actually post a "Yawn" the person has to care. If they didn't it would be a shrug and a meh in the privacy of their own home as they moved on to the next post. By trying to show they don't care, it does the exact opposite. (shakes her head)
Its juvenile and says A LOT about the person who posts something like that.
erronis
(15,339 posts)Unfortunately a little too well since I could no longer see the replies to your "Yawn" and they are actually worth reading.
Perhaps DU could add a feature to show that comments from blocked members are present and would only be shown if explicitly asked.
Anyhoo, looking forward to more of your witticisms!
djean111
(14,255 posts)position on it. Worked on it for years, all of a sudden - MUST BE PASSED!!!!! - even though there are demonstrations against it in the other signatory countries, too. Personally - yeah, I accept that this is real important - important enough for me to base ALL future support and votes on how this goes. Anyone who votes yes - as they say on Shark Tank - dead to me.
cali
(114,904 posts)And I believe she can and will continue to avoid doing anything but uttering meaningless easy to interpret as you wish platitudes about her beliefs on trade issues.
That doesn't mean it won't plague her.
Baitball Blogger
(46,758 posts)askew
(1,464 posts)Just like hiding from the press and only doing closed-door fundraisers, speeches with no audience interaction or townhalls with voters who have been pre-screened by her campaign to make sure they are friendly enough. As a woman, I find her cowardice in facing any real voters or discussing any real issues embarrassing. The fact that she is sending out her husband, her daughter and a legion of sleazy advisors to talk for her is just sad.
You can bet money that she'll wait until the fast-track passes before she comes out against the TPP. Because by that point, it will be too late for it to matter.
Every other candidate on both sides is giving interviews, talking to voters that may not be friendly and taking hard stands on issues. Hillary is raising money and running from reporters. Yet we are supposed to be impressed with her leadership. Give me a break.
Baitball Blogger
(46,758 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)There are 17 or so trade agreements in the USTR pipeline.
She's pro-corporate policy.
How anyone could be fooled by her is beyond me.
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)bigwillq
(72,790 posts)Just didn't want to miss my chance to make that comment.
Buns_of_Fire
(17,197 posts)I've no doubt that she'll avoid answering ANY questions that might pin her down to a "yes" or a "no" for as long as humanly possible. And even THEN, it'll be something like 'we have to ensure that any trade agreements we enter into are fair for all sides' (which is about as meaningless a comment as I could come up with on such short notice).
Very disappointing, so far. I hope that changes as the campaigns start to heat up a little.
erronis
(15,339 posts)I think her royal handlers (HRH) have got the talking/greeting points nailed down. First of all, get that clown husband on meds and out of the country. He actually was fun to watch and wonder what he'd next be "involved" with.
I'll miss Obama and his fantastic dead-pan yet hilarious delivery. Even while he has been involved in some stuff that doesn't seem to be in the interest of the country.
Bernie I'll never say is robotic or scripted - perhaps to a fault, not. Lots of people like stepford politicians, especially their masters.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)except to do what the republicans do, attack, smear and make up BS about Hillary.
Sad to see democrats wallowing in the same slime pit as republican teahaddists.
cali
(114,904 posts)about his opposition to the tpp. Hillary has obfuscatd. He has not.
And Bernie has been respectful to Hillary. He's gone easy on her and refused to take the bait.
Sad to see utter bullshit thrown out and touted as the truth.
Now put up or....
turbinetree
(24,720 posts)with your assessment, this is not a hard issue to answer either yes or no.
And Sanders has been very hard line on this issue and he has said he does not support this "deal".
This is why I am hoping that I can volunteer to help win this election, he has been specific in this issue----------------it is not good for human beings, and you are correct --------either put up or................
He also has said he will not attack another person running for this position-----------but I on the other hand I can attack------------and will attack and protect his flank, or any other progressives flank
d_legendary1
(2,586 posts)As a matter of fact Bernie is calling her out on those issues:
On Sunday, Sanders broadened his attack: On foreign policy, Hillary Clinton voted for the war in Iraq
Not only I voted against, I helped lead the effort against what I knew would be a disaster.
On climate change, I have helped lead the effort against the Keystone pipeline. Im not quite sure Hillary Clinton has come out with a position on that. So those are just some areas where we differ.
Sanders also repeated his determination to overturn the 2010 Citizens United supreme court decision, which gave rise to unrestrained spending on elections....Clinton has said she will form a super PAC, the type of fundraising body brought into being by Citizens United, to fight her 2016 campaign.
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/may/10/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-trans-pacific-partnership
Bernie, on the other hand, will not be starting a Super PAC
neverforget
(9,437 posts)to ram the TPA and TPP through Congress. Who knew that Republicans and the Chamber were standing up for working class Americans?
Dawgs
(14,755 posts)Bernie is against the TPP and has said it everywhere and often.
And, what explicitly has Bernie said that was an attack or smear on Hillary.
The following quote might be the best example, and it's more of Bernie stating facts than anything else.
On climate change, I have helped lead the effort against the Keystone pipeline. Im not quite sure Hillary Clinton has come out with a position on that. So those are just some areas where we differ.
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/may/10/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-trans-pacific-partnership
Please try again.
raindaddy
(1,370 posts)100 % behind the middle class and that's all you need to know.
Much like when they bought George W. Bush a ranch and a pickup and he ran as a Texas cowboy against Al Gore.