but it's always good to see it again. One caveat- it's not gay marriage like that's some sort of subdivision of marriage, it's marriage equality, because equality is the point.

100%

He did that to please the Christian fundamentalist psychos that put him in office - and they're coming out of the woodwork again today. Sorry that bullshit may have flown in 2000 and 2004 but we're not buying that crap anymore.

To quote Animal House: "oh forget it he's rambling again."

Thanks for the thread, Stinky The Clown.

thank you for starting a thread with that title. It sure as hell should never be a states rights issue and allowing people to vote on other people's civil rights is a disgusting habit we have somehow gotten ourselves into.

A states rights issue will get us more of what we saw last night. It will never be resolved as long as there are states, like mine, who manage to elect only teabaggers and the religiously insane, Brownback.

If any one of the people here who are jumping for joy and calling on people to be grateful and not downers had ever spent any time lobbying these kinds of people or listening to the floor during these debates they would never ever say anything like that. There are far too many people in office around the country who have not a single problem saying the most horrifying things to your face about what they think about gay people.

People should try to live a few days in the shoes of an LGBT person and see how they feel before they start trying to arrange their attitudes like they are.

Thank you for this thread.

My OP was a preemptive strike against the inevitable weaselly crap that we all know is to come from some quarters.

It seems that empathy takes a second or third seat to re election and I really wish people would stop and think about that before they post the things they do. It is so hurtful and just mucks up the entire thing. It is already ugly enough to live with what is going on.

States can and do make their own laws, but denying rights to specific (and non-lawbreaking) groups is discrimination.

It shouldn't be able to pass the first USSC challenge. Although with THIS court......

And therein lies the rub.

As long as some states insist on remaining backwards in civil rights and education, my state will be able to out-compete them.

Gay marriage is a human rights issue that envelops all of society, not just a particular state or region. A person is either for human rights or against human rights imo.

and I believe favorably: states will not be able to discriminate against people based on their sexual orientation. That said, marriage will still be controlled by individual states, as it always has been. Every other state and the federal government will need to recognize a marriage that is legal in any other state.

These laws such as the one passed in North Carolina last night are the dying gasps of the old guard. There will be marriage equality in this country very soon, in more and more states, and recognized by the federal government.

or it'll be the last decision they decide.

I would hate to think of what our country would look like if civil rights were decided on a State by State basis.

The federal government didn't get to make the decision then and it likely won't get to make it now.

Strongly.

The majority SHOULD NOT ever be entrusted with the rights of the minority. Not ever.

such as for the ethically ambivalent and outright evil. We should curtail their rights.

It will likely take the same thing to end bans on gay marriage.

So until that happens, yea, it will continue to be a states right issue. The constitution doesn't grant the federal government any real recourse to force states to accept it.

People have rights.

Can someone with Starting a New Thread rights post this e-mail as a new thread? I believe the rest of the country should know about the ignorance of West Virginia.


I’m a hard core Democrat and to day I’m a shamed to say I’m from West Virginia. When a convicted felon Keith Judd sitting in Federal Prison in the State of Texas can get 40% of West Virginia’s Democrat Primary vote , just because most of this ignorant in-breeds here would rather die than to vote for a Black man. West Virginia deserves all the jokes and disrespect the rest of the nation gives us. West Virginia home of the Ignorant!!

mixed race marriage was a state's rights issue, until it wasn't, too.

and it can't be said often enough.

"The time has come for us to march out from under the shadow of states-rights and forthrightly into the sunshine of human rights." - or something close to it

held that laws prohibiting interracial marriage violated the Constitution.

Marriage is one of the "basic civil rights of man," fundamental to our very existence and survival.... To deny this fundamental freedom on so unsupportable a basis as the racial classifications embodied in these statutes, classifications so directly subversive of the principle of equality at the heart of the Fourteenth Amendment, is surely to deprive all the State's citizens of liberty without due process of law. The Fourteenth Amendment requires that the freedom of choice to marry not be restricted by invidious racial discrimination. Under our Constitution, the freedom to marry, or not marry, a person of another race resides with the individual and cannot be infringed by the State.

so long ago.

Other Democratic Presidents believed the same,
and had the courage to Step UP and Do the Right Thing.

Civil Rights Act 1964






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