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whatchamacallit

(15,558 posts) Wed May 13, 2015, 05:13 PM May 2015

What happens when democrat's blind trust in democrats pit them against... democrats?

Democratic President -> <- Congressional Democrats
_____________________TPP________________________

Poor party loyalists and hacks...

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What happens when democrat's blind trust in democrats pit them against... democrats? (Original Post) whatchamacallit May 2015 OP

I put my trust in a Senator with a good trustworthy track record Autumn May 2015 #1

That's the idea isn't it? whatchamacallit May 2015 #12

That is indeed the idea. I don't fit in the democratic party anymore. Autumn May 2015 #13

+1 Go Vols May 2015 #16

Why do you assume dems are 'blind' when most, especially here, are blm May 2015 #2

Then the Right jumps on it as an opportunity to sow division and discontent amongst Democrats...nt SidDithers May 2015 #3

The "right" as in the folks siding with Obama on the TPP? whatchamacallit May 2015 #8

No, the Right, as in the folks sowing division and discontent among Democrats... SidDithers May 2015 #9

Like the president in this case whatchamacallit May 2015 #10

Damn you Democrats for not voting with Republicans!!!! neverforget May 2015 #11

If a republican is elected president next year, I suspect he will have a republican congress that pampango May 2015 #17

And then a Democratic filibuster of said future TPA would be a good thing right? neverforget May 2015 #19

Yes. I don't think a republican president in 2017 would be pushing the ""most progressive trade deal pampango May 2015 #20

This is an example of what I meant with the OP whatchamacallit May 2015 #23

Republicans aren't supporting this because Obama is for it. They're supporting it because neverforget May 2015 #24

So might as well out-republican the republicans and pass this puke before them? whatchamacallit May 2015 #21

No. Pass fast track for a Democratic president since a republican one in 2017 will have it pampango May 2015 #22

Like being proper party members and supporting the Republicans in voting for TPP Katashi_itto May 2015 #14

OTOH, not opposing this horseshit will allow the Right's dirty work to be done for decades. rug May 2015 #15

Exactly! BlindTiresias May 2015 #18

But you aren't trying to convience ... JoePhilly May 2015 #4

I'm not whatchamacallit May 2015 #6

Different opinions are often labeled "blind trust" out of convenience. LanternWaste May 2015 #5

You're starting to remind me of whatchamacallit May 2015 #7

Don't forget "cognitive dissonance" Another overused word here on DU misterhighwasted May 2015 #27

There is no worse heresy than that the office sanctifies the holder of it. Lord Acton Tierra_y_Libertad May 2015 #25

What happens when Democrat's blind distrust in Democrats pit them against... Democrats? 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #26

If you want to blame someone for sowing dissension among democrats and making the GOP happy whatchamacallit May 2015 #28

I'm not interested in placing blame. n/t 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #29

We really do not have to ask - all we need to do is watch the party disintegrate on DU. jwirr May 2015 #30

Autumn

(45,120 posts)

1. I put my trust in a Senator with a good trustworthy track record

Reply to whatchamacallit (Original post)

Wed May 13, 2015, 05:15 PM

May 2015

Bernie Sanders.

whatchamacallit

(15,558 posts)

12. That's the idea isn't it?

Reply to Autumn (Reply #1)

Wed May 13, 2015, 05:53 PM

May 2015

You can't assume all democrats are equal or worthy. Their record matters more than the letter after their names.

Autumn

(45,120 posts)

13. That is indeed the idea. I don't fit in the democratic party anymore.

Reply to whatchamacallit (Reply #12)

Wed May 13, 2015, 05:57 PM

May 2015

Whatever Bernie is, that's what I am and that's what I will vote for. Nothing less.

Go Vols

(5,902 posts)

16. +1

Reply to Autumn (Reply #13)

Wed May 13, 2015, 06:11 PM

May 2015

blm

(113,101 posts)

2. Why do you assume dems are 'blind' when most, especially here, are

Reply to whatchamacallit (Original post)

Wed May 13, 2015, 05:17 PM

May 2015

comprehensive and take long range views?

Is your point to BE mocking of the democrats who post here?

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)

3. Then the Right jumps on it as an opportunity to sow division and discontent amongst Democrats...nt

Reply to whatchamacallit (Original post)

Wed May 13, 2015, 05:17 PM

May 2015

Sid

whatchamacallit

(15,558 posts)

8. The "right" as in the folks siding with Obama on the TPP?

Reply to SidDithers (Reply #3)

Wed May 13, 2015, 05:25 PM

May 2015

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)

9. No, the Right, as in the folks sowing division and discontent among Democrats...

Reply to whatchamacallit (Reply #8)

Wed May 13, 2015, 05:28 PM

May 2015

Some of them may not actually be on the Right, but they sure do enjoy doing the Right's work.

Sid

whatchamacallit

(15,558 posts)

10. Like the president in this case

Reply to SidDithers (Reply #9)

Wed May 13, 2015, 05:29 PM

May 2015

Right?

neverforget

(9,437 posts)

11. Damn you Democrats for not voting with Republicans!!!!

Reply to SidDithers (Reply #9)

Wed May 13, 2015, 05:35 PM

May 2015

Mitch McConnel wants TPA for a Republican President:

http://www.cnbc.com/id/102672207

"This is a six-year bill," he added. "So what I've said to my members, if we want the next Republican president, who we hope will be sworn in less than two years from now, to have a chance to do trade agreements with the rest of the world, this bill is about that president as well as this one."

pampango

(24,692 posts)

17. If a republican is elected president next year, I suspect he will have a republican congress that

Reply to neverforget (Reply #11)

Wed May 13, 2015, 06:16 PM

May 2015

will give him TPA if Obama does not get it now.

neverforget

(9,437 posts)

19. And then a Democratic filibuster of said future TPA would be a good thing right?

Reply to pampango (Reply #17)

Wed May 13, 2015, 06:23 PM

May 2015

I doubt Republicans are voting for the "most progressive trade deal" today out of the goodness of their hearts.

pampango

(24,692 posts)

20. Yes. I don't think a republican president in 2017 would be pushing the ""most progressive trade deal

Reply to neverforget (Reply #19)

Wed May 13, 2015, 06:26 PM

May 2015

There are reasons I am a Democrat. One is that I prefer Democratic president negotiating trade agreements to republican presidents doing the same.

whatchamacallit

(15,558 posts)

23. This is an example of what I meant with the OP

Reply to pampango (Reply #20)

Wed May 13, 2015, 06:30 PM

May 2015

You just want a democrat to do it... WHATEVER it is.

neverforget

(9,437 posts)

24. Republicans aren't supporting this because Obama is for it. They're supporting it because

Reply to pampango (Reply #20)

Wed May 13, 2015, 06:58 PM

May 2015

they know that corporations are going to get what they want, which, if the past is any indicator, is at the expense of workers wherever they are located. The US Chamber of Commerce is all in on the TPP. They don't care about workers, the environment or working conditions. They're all about increasing profits not wages, working conditions or the environment.

There are reasons I'm a Democrat too. It's because at one time they fought for the unions, workers rights and the environment.

whatchamacallit

(15,558 posts)

21. So might as well out-republican the republicans and pass this puke before them?

Reply to pampango (Reply #17)

Wed May 13, 2015, 06:26 PM

May 2015

pampango

(24,692 posts)

22. No. Pass fast track for a Democratic president since a republican one in 2017 will have it

Reply to whatchamacallit (Reply #21)

Wed May 13, 2015, 06:29 PM

May 2015

no matter what we do for Obama. I don't consider enabling a Democratic president the same thing as "out-republicaning the republicans".

Katashi_itto

(10,175 posts)

14. Like being proper party members and supporting the Republicans in voting for TPP

Reply to SidDithers (Reply #9)

Wed May 13, 2015, 06:05 PM

May 2015

rug

(82,333 posts)

15. OTOH, not opposing this horseshit will allow the Right's dirty work to be done for decades.

Reply to SidDithers (Reply #3)

Wed May 13, 2015, 06:08 PM

May 2015

This time with the force of law.

BlindTiresias

(1,563 posts)

18. Exactly!

Reply to SidDithers (Reply #3)

Wed May 13, 2015, 06:19 PM

May 2015

We must show unity by voting alongside the Republican party!

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)

4. But you aren't trying to convience ...

Reply to whatchamacallit (Original post)

Wed May 13, 2015, 05:17 PM

May 2015

... anyone of anything ... not your job.

whatchamacallit

(15,558 posts)

6. I'm not

Reply to JoePhilly (Reply #4)

Wed May 13, 2015, 05:23 PM

May 2015

Just ruminating on what must be a serious, cognitive dissonance inspiring, disconnect for dyed-in-the-wool party dems.

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)

5. Different opinions are often labeled "blind trust" out of convenience.

Reply to whatchamacallit (Original post)

Wed May 13, 2015, 05:19 PM

May 2015

Different opinions are often labeled "blind trust" out of convenience, or a willfully poor grasp of the English language... though no doubt there are many rationalizations pretending otherwise.

whatchamacallit

(15,558 posts)

7. You're starting to remind me of

Reply to LanternWaste (Reply #5)

Wed May 13, 2015, 05:24 PM

May 2015

MineralMan lol.

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)

27. Don't forget "cognitive dissonance" Another overused word here on DU

Reply to LanternWaste (Reply #5)

Wed May 13, 2015, 07:20 PM

May 2015

Oh the smugness of those wearing out their favorite words like stinky old sneakers on a hot & humid summer day.
PU

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)

25. There is no worse heresy than that the office sanctifies the holder of it. Lord Acton

Reply to whatchamacallit (Original post)

Wed May 13, 2015, 07:01 PM

May 2015

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)

26. What happens when Democrat's blind distrust in Democrats pit them against... Democrats?

Reply to whatchamacallit (Original post)

Wed May 13, 2015, 07:20 PM

May 2015

Democrats -> -> -> -> <- <- <- <- <- Democrats
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