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Fantastic Anarchist

(7,309 posts)
Wed May 13, 2015, 08:45 PM May 2015

On the TPP: Socialism vs. Capitalism

On the TPP:

There is a reactionary revolution taking place ...
And I hate to use the terms together, but one is going on before our eyes. The last vestige of social cohesion will wither, ironically, right before us, collectively.

What we have here is no less than the international revolution of capitalism, borne from the ideas of Trotsky's international socialism. The capitalists, in their reactionary fervor, adapted, and revolutionized the world and organization from the top down. They ensured that the international proletariat would factionalize, and to cue the coup de grace, made it possible for international capitalists to find common cause. Capital can cross national boundaries, while labor remains isolated. There is solidarity, not of labor, but of the wealthy class. And so, top-down authoritarianism has won, and won, ironically, by a man who is pejoratively called a socialist.

It's actually quite brilliant ... If you're part of the owning class.

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On the TPP: Socialism vs. Capitalism (Original Post) Fantastic Anarchist May 2015 OP
First rate analysis. hifiguy May 2015 #1
It's a symptom of the society we live in. Fantastic Anarchist May 2015 #2
Good analysis of what the effects of the TPP will be. More isolation of labor. More power to the jwirr May 2015 #3
Corporations are like real estate, the means of production, and information. F4lconF16 May 2015 #4
The corporation is a state concept ... Fantastic Anarchist May 2015 #6
Ouch. jwirr May 2015 #7
Well they paid the politicians to repeat the meme...the business of government is business HereSince1628 May 2015 #5
But it is pretty clear that they do not do that in many cases. jwirr May 2015 #8
Kick! hifiguy May 2015 #9
 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
1. First rate analysis.
Wed May 13, 2015, 08:49 PM
May 2015

That is EXACTLY what this abomination is designed to do.

The president has served his masters well. He will be justly rewarded. Just like the Clintons were.

Fantastic Anarchist

(7,309 posts)
2. It's a symptom of the society we live in.
Wed May 13, 2015, 08:55 PM
May 2015

Even the best of intentions are drowned by competitive reward, but only if that society wishes to reward such deeds.

See Mutual Aid: Factor of Evolution by Peter Kropotkin for evidence of an alternative society.

Edit: Thank you for the kind response.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
3. Good analysis of what the effects of the TPP will be. More isolation of labor. More power to the
Wed May 13, 2015, 09:16 PM
May 2015

rich. How do the corporations fit into this or are they the embodiment of the cohesion of the wealthy class?

F4lconF16

(3,747 posts)
4. Corporations are like real estate, the means of production, and information.
Wed May 13, 2015, 09:26 PM
May 2015

Corporations are capital in every sense of the word. They are another tool the capitalists to expand their holdings, enrich themselves at the expense of the working class, and divide and oppress the working class.

Fantastic Anarchist

(7,309 posts)
6. The corporation is a state concept ...
Wed May 13, 2015, 09:59 PM
May 2015

... in order to aggregate worker productivity for use by the owning class.

It's another irony because the worker takes part in his own enslavement.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
5. Well they paid the politicians to repeat the meme...the business of government is business
Wed May 13, 2015, 09:39 PM
May 2015

Which it most certainly IS NOT.

The business of government is to act on the behalf of citizens to protect them from the brutality of other human beings, many of which are wealthy fellow citizens administrating corporations.

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