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Obama limiting military hardware to police departments (Original Post) Panich52 May 2015 OP
KICK Cha May 2015 #1
K&R. He and Holder brought this up, post-Ferguson. n/t freshwest May 2015 #4
They did. Mahalo for the reminder, fresh! Cha May 2015 #7
They did, freswest and I sheshe2 May 2015 #39
This is good. merrily May 2015 #2
K&R! JaneyVee May 2015 #3
From the NY Times story on this... TreasonousBastard May 2015 #5
A lot of these weapons madokie May 2015 #9
OMG a "embrace a guardian mindset"? You just know the RW pundits are going to Fla Dem May 2015 #19
Interesting article on the warrior vs guardian mindset of police.... Historic NY May 2015 #24
lol that's an easy one... Volaris May 2015 #50
Thanks for that, TB! n/t freshwest May 2015 #41
I hope he takes away their new camo uniforms too GummyBearz May 2015 #6
That's a good idea, too. I wonder if these are buying from army surplus, though. We don't want MP's. freshwest May 2015 #8
Yes, the militaried equipment including the camo uniforms was the tip off that something was very jwirr May 2015 #29
I think it has been symbolic to the police officers and departments also. It says to them that they Maineman May 2015 #43
I think the primary goal was opening an untapped market for the equipment manufacturers. Thor_MN May 2015 #60
Good! PatrickforO May 2015 #10
Because our president is human iandhr May 2015 #25
Yes he does! PatrickforO May 2015 #48
Why are cops getting ANY military hardware? 99Forever May 2015 #11
+1 daleanime May 2015 #14
No kidding its a joke really...nt Jesus Malverde May 2015 #22
exactly... don't limit it - eliminate it tk2kewl May 2015 #23
Melt it down and turn it into bus stops and park benches. Spitfire of ATJ May 2015 #38
Grenade Launchers? Ahpook May 2015 #44
Used to shoot gas grenades for crowd control. malthaussen May 2015 #56
The 1033 program, Ms. Toad May 2015 #57
Why would the cops even want some of this stuff? Renew Deal May 2015 #12
Tracked armored vehicles, are you kidding!??! JustABozoOnThisBus May 2015 #18
nevermind the right to bear concealed weapons w/o a permit redruddyred May 2015 #31
How would you like your steak? JustABozoOnThisBus May 2015 #32
irradiated, plz redruddyred May 2015 #35
Never lived in the snow belt, have you? jmowreader May 2015 #52
or you could use the waste radiation to heat up a frozen one redruddyred May 2015 #59
Our small city got a tracked armored vehicle and 50 guns. The closest we come to a riot is the jwirr May 2015 #33
If there is, it's probably in some small town in the middle of nowhere. Spitfire of ATJ May 2015 #37
Zombie outbreak, I assume OneBanana_TwoPeels May 2015 #53
He doesn't really mean it, you know. MineralMan May 2015 #13
But, But ,,,, But,,,,, Cryptoad May 2015 #15
K&R! stonecutter357 May 2015 #16
Wow- awesome! bettyellen May 2015 #17
Gosh, I don't know hootinholler May 2015 #20
It's not like the mrap is a tracked vehicle Jesus Malverde May 2015 #21
Its a start d_legendary1 May 2015 #26
a step in the right direction! Takket May 2015 #27
Yes! Mr. President! lonestarnot May 2015 #28
well done obama. redruddyred May 2015 #30
Thank you. octoberlib May 2015 #34
Like I've said before, we didn't hand over war surplus from WWII to the cops.... Spitfire of ATJ May 2015 #36
KnR! sheshe2 May 2015 #40
KnR. Read that in the LA Times -- great news, great article. Recommended. nt Hekate May 2015 #42
Good! MoonRiver May 2015 #45
Banning grenade launchers??? rpannier May 2015 #46
They can still acquire military hardware SickOfTheOnePct May 2015 #47
This is like the third thread THIS WEEK that details something remarkable that this president Number23 May 2015 #49
This is what controversy does JonLP24 May 2015 #51
So that's what he's going to use to take over Texas! treestar May 2015 #54
In his own words, mostly for image. HereSince1628 May 2015 #55
Great, K & R dreamnightwind May 2015 #58

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
5. From the NY Times story on this...
Mon May 18, 2015, 08:30 AM
May 2015
The trip and the action on military-style equipment are to coincide with the release on Monday of a report from a policing task force that Mr. Obama formed late last year in response to the crisis in Ferguson. The 116-page report calls for law enforcement agencies to “embrace a guardian — rather than a warrior — mind-set to build trust and legitimacy both within agencies and with the public.” It contains dozens of recommendations for agencies throughout the country.


madokie

(51,076 posts)
9. A lot of these weapons
Mon May 18, 2015, 08:56 AM
May 2015

I don't want my local police departments to have as well as the nuts in our society. Sometimes that line between the nuts and the LEO's is a blurred one I might add.

Fla Dem

(23,676 posts)
19. OMG a "embrace a guardian mindset"? You just know the RW pundits are going to
Mon May 18, 2015, 10:20 AM
May 2015

have a field day with that phrase. They'll infer or come right out and say Obama is sissyfying the police force. I can't wait for the faux outrage.

Volaris

(10,271 posts)
50. lol that's an easy one...
Tue May 19, 2015, 02:02 AM
May 2015

Just feed them nonsense about the angel Micheal 'guarding' the gates of sealed Eden with that big-ass sword that God gave him THAT'S ON FUCK FIRE, just for good measure.
they'll shut up right quick...

Besides, cops are supposed to guard our rights. Like our Right to Public Assembly. Too fucking bad for them if they haven't been doing their jobs correctly and need a federal reprimand.

 

GummyBearz

(2,931 posts)
6. I hope he takes away their new camo uniforms too
Mon May 18, 2015, 08:30 AM
May 2015

Its very symbolic to me... they shouldn't dress like they are invading Iraq. They are cops, not marines.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
8. That's a good idea, too. I wonder if these are buying from army surplus, though. We don't want MP's.
Mon May 18, 2015, 08:51 AM
May 2015

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
29. Yes, the militaried equipment including the camo uniforms was the tip off that something was very
Mon May 18, 2015, 12:59 PM
May 2015

wrong in Ferguson MO and it was not the protesters. If they look like an army they are probably acting like and army.

Maineman

(854 posts)
43. I think it has been symbolic to the police officers and departments also. It says to them that they
Mon May 18, 2015, 06:35 PM
May 2015

are now expected to be militaristic. I figure it was Cheney's idea as a step toward a military dictatorship. At least, that is the sort of person I see him being.

 

Thor_MN

(11,843 posts)
60. I think the primary goal was opening an untapped market for the equipment manufacturers.
Wed May 20, 2015, 08:40 AM
May 2015

Get the government to buy new to replace the slightly used given to the LEOs. To the LEOs, the first taste is free, get them addicted to the gear, neighboring police forces that didn't apply, get jealous and have to keep up with the Jones's. Soon they are buying from the dealer, new equipment and expendables and parts and maintenance...

And all the while the MIC is raking in the cash.

PatrickforO

(14,576 posts)
10. Good!
Mon May 18, 2015, 09:03 AM
May 2015

This is a great policy!

So why is the guy who has been an otherwise pretty good president advocating a lemon like the TPP? When a policy like this could add to his positive legacy, he risks overshadowing this legacy with another one which will be terrible for Americans.

iandhr

(6,852 posts)
25. Because our president is human
Mon May 18, 2015, 11:00 AM
May 2015

like all other members of the human species is flawed and makes mistakes.

PatrickforO

(14,576 posts)
48. Yes he does!
Tue May 19, 2015, 01:07 AM
May 2015

And when someone we respect and honor is going in the wrong direction, it is up to us to point it out, oppose it and try to set him right.

Ahpook

(2,750 posts)
44. Grenade Launchers?
Mon May 18, 2015, 06:44 PM
May 2015

What in the fuck would they need those for?

Glad to hear this bit of news but we got a long way to go.

malthaussen

(17,200 posts)
56. Used to shoot gas grenades for crowd control.
Tue May 19, 2015, 08:22 AM
May 2015

And flash-bangs, probably. Although I wouldn't be surprised if they just "happen" to have some HE and WP grenades lying around.

-- Mal

Ms. Toad

(34,074 posts)
57. The 1033 program,
Tue May 19, 2015, 09:20 AM
May 2015

Which supplies military equipment to a whole host of state and local government entities, including police departments and schools, free of charge, on the condition that they use it within 1 year of receipt or they have to return it.

http://fcnl.org/resources/newsletter/sept14/how_tanks_got_to_main_street/

Here's a way to work to begin to change the program:

Template letter to President Obama thanking him and encouraging him to support the bipartisan Stop Militarizing Law Enforcement Act.

Template letter to your representative (plug in your zip code and the next page will populate with your representative and a template letter)

Renew Deal

(81,859 posts)
12. Why would the cops even want some of this stuff?
Mon May 18, 2015, 09:25 AM
May 2015

"The list includes grenade launchers, tracked armored vehicles, armed aircraft, bayonets, and guns and ammunition of .50 caliber or higher."

Is there a police department that asked for grenade launchers?

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,343 posts)
18. Tracked armored vehicles, are you kidding!??!
Mon May 18, 2015, 10:01 AM
May 2015

Who WOULDN'T want some tracked armored vehicles? Parallel parking, no problem!

 

redruddyred

(1,615 posts)
31. nevermind the right to bear concealed weapons w/o a permit
Mon May 18, 2015, 01:02 PM
May 2015

what abt CONCEALED FLAMETHROWERS
I definitely see a need in this country for people to be equipped with this vital piece of weaponry
especially law enforcement, since they always show such great wisdom and restraint in performing acts of violence and can definitely be trusted in all circumstances.

jmowreader

(50,557 posts)
52. Never lived in the snow belt, have you?
Tue May 19, 2015, 05:39 AM
May 2015

Just imagine: It's two in the morning, the snow's been falling since yesterday at noon and you have to get to work. You could shovel for six hours, blow snow for two...or whip out your trusty RPO-50 and clear the whole street so quick you could order a Domino's Pizza before you go outside and be done before it arrives.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
33. Our small city got a tracked armored vehicle and 50 guns. The closest we come to a riot is the
Mon May 18, 2015, 01:07 PM
May 2015

4th of July parade. I did wonder if the armored vehicle might come in handy is case of a forest fire but do not know enough about military equipment to know. Also some of our parks have old military vehicles in them for the visitors to see. Maybe we are going to have a new one?

53. Zombie outbreak, I assume
Tue May 19, 2015, 08:01 AM
May 2015

Imagine if the Andy Griffith Show were made today. Sheriff Taylor would be famous because he "don't even carry a loaded grenade launcher."

Cryptoad

(8,254 posts)
15. But, But ,,,, But,,,,,
Mon May 18, 2015, 09:48 AM
May 2015

how we going to fight all these well armed groups we have down in TX since they passed that open-carry law!

hootinholler

(26,449 posts)
20. Gosh, I don't know
Mon May 18, 2015, 10:21 AM
May 2015

I think our local sheriff's office needs a howitzer.

I agree with the tracked vehicles, too hard on the roads especially for traffic stops.

Jesus Malverde

(10,274 posts)
21. It's not like the mrap is a tracked vehicle
Mon May 18, 2015, 10:36 AM
May 2015

Grenade launchers bad, sniper rifles and m4 ok for crowd control and police.

d_legendary1

(2,586 posts)
26. Its a start
Mon May 18, 2015, 11:49 AM
May 2015

Now if he can cut military spending so that the armed forces don't end up having a surplus of vehicles we'd be set.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
36. Like I've said before, we didn't hand over war surplus from WWII to the cops....
Mon May 18, 2015, 02:38 PM
May 2015

We knew back then that would be STUPID.

rpannier

(24,329 posts)
46. Banning grenade launchers???
Mon May 18, 2015, 09:29 PM
May 2015

Whatever will they do when ISIS rolls into Borden County, Texas (pop 641) or Quitman County, Georgia (pop 2.404) or Arthur County, Nebraska (pop 404) and their police do not have grenade launchers and tracked armored vehicles to defend their freedoms???

SickOfTheOnePct

(7,290 posts)
47. They can still acquire military hardware
Mon May 18, 2015, 10:53 PM
May 2015

Just not from the federal government. The President can't stop them from buying it elsewhere or otherwise possessing such items.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
49. This is like the third thread THIS WEEK that details something remarkable that this president
Tue May 19, 2015, 01:56 AM
May 2015

is doing, things that the "left" has screamed about and which are now becoming a reality and this board could give less than a natural flying f*ck about.

But when braying instead of affecting change is the only goal, I guess this shouldn't come as a surprise.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
55. In his own words, mostly for image.
Tue May 19, 2015, 08:20 AM
May 2015

What's more essential is to get the military ATTITUDE out of police departments. Citizens ought not seen as an opposing force.

The exclusion of tracked vehicles for wheeled vehicles seems particularly pointless. The US military has pushed wheeled vehicles over tracked vehicles for decades and from the debate emerged the Stryker, which IIRC is the vehicle we saw deployed in Ferguson MO. What about that vehicle doesn't scream militarization??



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