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DainBramaged

(39,191 posts)
Thu May 10, 2012, 02:46 PM May 2012

"A bizarre operation": Why West Virginia stuck $22,600 routers in tiny libraries

West Virginia's Charleston Gazette has been hopping mad this week as one of its reporters learned that the state has been sticking 1,064 high-end $22,600 routers into “little public institutions as small as rural libraries with just one computer terminal.” When reporter Eric Eyre actually called up Cisco posing as a customer, he was told by a rep that the company's 3945 series routers were "our router solution for campus and large enterprises, so this is overkill for your network." Instead, the rep recommended a far cheaper commercial grade router for $500.

And while the 3945 series routers might be massively overkill for many of the locations to which they have been deployed, 366 of them aren't even being used. Instead, they're sitting in a warehouse.

A "bizarre operation"
The money for the routers came from federal stimulus funds designed to boost broadband access by better equipping public facilities like schools and libraries, especially in more rural areas. West Virginia officials decided not to vary the size of the routers they purchased based on the needs of the target facility. "A student in a school of 200 students should have the same opportunity as a student in a school with 2,000 students," one official told the paper.

In a series of articles this week, the Charleston Gazette has highlighted the scramble to spend the stimulus money back in 2010. Bids for the work went out quickly. By the time someone in the state Office of Technology wrote in an e-mail that “this equipment may be grossly oversized for several of the facilities in which it is currently slated to be installed," it was too late. The $24 million contract for the routers went to Verizon Network Integration, which had the lowest bid.

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/05/a-bizarre-operation-why-west-virginia-stuck-22600-routers-in-tiny-libraries/


People too stupid to find their way home without leaving rice behind in the morning are in charge of West Virginia.


The rest of the article is even scarier


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"A bizarre operation": Why West Virginia stuck $22,600 routers in tiny libraries (Original Post) DainBramaged May 2012 OP
you see stupidity. I see corruption. CBGLuthier May 2012 #1
+ struggle4progress May 2012 #2
Yup, somebody got a kickback. n/t FSogol May 2012 #3
+1 HiPointDem May 2012 #8
Wouldn't doubt it, but - smaug May 2012 #12
read your whole post, bubbalubagus May 2012 #14
Corruption. That was my first thought. Bake May 2012 #10
if true, bubbalubagus May 2012 #4
I for one do not approve of your broad brush smear of West Virginians. nm rhett o rick May 2012 #7
i agree w you i was out of line. nt bubbalubagus May 2012 #13
Why would anybody in WVa care? It was all funded by federal stimulus funds. sinkingfeeling May 2012 #5
Cisco Small Business RV016 Router 2 x 10/100Mbps WAN Ports 13 x 10/100Mbps LAN Ports DainBramaged May 2012 #6
How about a cheap LinkSys router guardian May 2012 #9
Read about the TSA at the bottom of the article, you'll be pissed off worse DainBramaged May 2012 #11
Somebody got rich off this waste guardian May 2012 #15
The consultant that wrote the RFP should be fired RIGHT FUCKING NOW! madinmaryland May 2012 #16
where have I heard that name before? onethatcares May 2012 #17

CBGLuthier

(12,723 posts)
1. you see stupidity. I see corruption.
Thu May 10, 2012, 02:51 PM
May 2012

Guaranteed some asshole is making a back-end buck off of deals like this. There are indeed stupid people in this world but the sharks are always there to make themselves a buck.

smaug

(230 posts)
12. Wouldn't doubt it, but -
Thu May 10, 2012, 03:53 PM
May 2012

Technology assessment seems to be totally beyond the ken of the typical 'manager' or political appointee in charge of such projects. I'll use an example from my home state (that I was involved in - I work in a tech/networking field).

We had a need due to some legislation passed to enable all high schools to offer at least 4 AP classes to each student. The way AP teacher certification works (a single week long training at a college campus - only one!) made that a physical impossibility for nearly 1500 schools to have enough on campus teachers trained to do that. So the decision to go videoconferencing (which was used throughout the higher ed and a number of education regional centers, of which mine was one), but to move from the dedicated H.320 to IP based H.323 systems. I had ensured that our systems would be able to switch over (indeed, we used H.323 for ad hoc/point-to-point connections).

Funding was acquired for this project and a request for proposal was sent out to a number of 'vendors' (which is a dirty word in *my* lexicon, which will become apparently shortly). I had learned to install my own equipment at the sites in order to maximize the amount of money we had (I had some years earlier received a grant to install 6 videoconference room systems in our area, and managed by doing our own installs (let me tell you, those 32" cathode televisions are *heavy*) stretched to 11 schools).

The RFP, which was created by well meaning folks in the dept. of education who had no clue, required installation. Now, my tech and I had developed the routine of installation down to a science: with the network drop in place, we could arrive at the school and have everything installed and functioning within 2 1/2 hours. These were room systems with 4 monitors, two cameras (teacher & student), document camera, audio system, a device to connect a PC into the video codec, and a whiteboard attachment. We installed 23 of these in rural schools in the early 2000s (our project began in the 90s). These systems connect their components using svideo/composite and Cat5 connections, so anyone who can put together a dvd + TV can set up the hardware. This plays into the later narrative...

Well, the statewide project original series of bids came to naught. Only 3 vendors even managed to produce "systems" which met the basic room system requirements, and all of them were over cost; i.e., the acceptable amount per classroom. This was resubmitted and finally a vendor (telco) came into range. BTW, this was for several hundred systems, and turned out to be roughly $27,000 per room.

I started to wonder about the cost; the typical room (of which I described above) cost just over $17,000 per room, and I began to fret over what I had left out. At the same time, our state information systems department decided to outsource scheduling and 'maintenance' (ha!) to a telco (grrrrr). I argued against the idea (this cost a LOT of money, and we had literally no say in control of our system). But 'privatization' held sway (grrrr). Turns out that the vendor charged an extra $9,000+ per system to install them, and hired 'installation crews' off the street to do this. Remember when I said my tech and I had the installation down to a set piece earlier? I got to spend nearly 2 years traveling about helping folks with mysterious ailments in their systems that were results of 'expert' installations. Turns out my rooms were just fine -- and we've suffered less problems (except for old systems dying of lightning strikes and general aging - some date from 2001).

So, I can see part of the issue here -- the lack of expertise at the decision making level, who probably asked the vendor for advice (as usually happens). Of course, just like a used car salesman at Leisure Suit Larry's Car emporium , the vendor took advantage of public trust in order to maximize profit for the Corporation, and damn the taxpayers who bear the expense. I'll wager that the decision makers never asked their IT folks for their knowledge & experience. Sigh.

bubbalubagus

(18 posts)
14. read your whole post,
Thu May 10, 2012, 04:09 PM
May 2012

probably bc i install data, video, and phone services residentially. but also bc a few years back i did do some work for the county schools, fire departments, and police stations installing a parallel system of video conferencing, sort of like a closed circuit tv w special channels for certain meetings. of course, i think i'm really good at what i do, and my work was flawless. that said, what i was putting in, at extreme cost, couldve been done using an IP based system similar to the one you describe. also, i had to have at least 1 county inspector follow me around *at all times*. which was useful for getting into some doors and little else, they just sat around all day watching me work, day after day. i was agast at the inefficiency at times.

bubbalubagus

(18 posts)
4. if true,
Thu May 10, 2012, 02:54 PM
May 2012

this is just so they can turn around and talk about inefficiencies in govt, all when it was their fault. but subtlety escapes most West Virginians, and this will be a huge local talking point.

 

guardian

(2,282 posts)
9. How about a cheap LinkSys router
Thu May 10, 2012, 03:23 PM
May 2012

for $29 ???

The sort of gross waste (and likely corruption/kick back) really pisses me off.

 

guardian

(2,282 posts)
15. Somebody got rich off this waste
Thu May 10, 2012, 06:54 PM
May 2012

I bet if anybody investigated they'd find that the these $22K routers and the excessive TSA equipment was bought from some relative of an agency manager. Government officials are so corrupt these days and in bed with corporations. It makes me sick.

onethatcares

(16,168 posts)
17. where have I heard that name before?
Thu May 10, 2012, 07:10 PM
May 2012

that Verizon one. Weren't they the same company that is anti union and whos' employees went on strike recently?

Amazing how they could tap into government money so quickly.

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