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n2doc

(47,953 posts)
Sat May 23, 2015, 02:07 PM May 2015

U.S. Rep. Marica Fudge calls Michael Brelo verdict a 'stunning setback' for justice in Cleveland

CLEVELAND, Ohio — The not guilty verdict announced in the case of Cleveland police officer Michael Brelo is a stunning setback for justice, U.S. Rep. Marcia Fudge said in a statement Saturday.

"The verdict is another chilling reminder of the broken relationship between the Cleveland Police Department and the community it serves," said Fudge, who represents Ohio's 11th congressional district.

Brelo was one of several Cleveland police officers who fired more than 100 rounds into a car driven by Timothy Russell and Malissa Williams after a high-speed chase that began in Cleveland and ended in East Cleveland.

Cuyahoga County Common Pleas Court Judge John O'Donnell found Brelo not guilty on two counts of manslaughter, ruling that he did not have probable cause to find that Brelo fired the fatal shots.

Fudge called the firing of 137 shots "extreme, excessive and unnecessary."

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http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2015/05/marica_fudge_calls_brelo_verdi.html#incart_river

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U.S. Rep. Marica Fudge calls Michael Brelo verdict a 'stunning setback' for justice in Cleveland (Original Post) n2doc May 2015 OP
It's a horrible and despicable verdict marym625 May 2015 #1
This is just Faux pas May 2015 #2
Bad things happen during and immediately after high speed chases.... Oktober May 2015 #3
This didnt happen during the chase. nt gollygee May 2015 #4
Oh... Oktober May 2015 #5
137 shots gollygee May 2015 #6
The jury did not agree with your assessment yeoman6987 May 2015 #7
No, juries very seldom convict police officers gollygee May 2015 #8
There was no jury. Danascot May 2015 #9
Oh my gosh. Now that is ridiculous! yeoman6987 May 2015 #16
What is the significance of 137? Oktober May 2015 #10
I don't doubt you think 137 shots at a car is normal gollygee May 2015 #12
So how many is too many? Oktober May 2015 #13
This is a stupid repeat of every single gun argument gollygee May 2015 #14
Got it.. You don't know... Oktober May 2015 #17
Same as every argument gollygee May 2015 #18
And when people aim cars at police officers Doctor_J May 2015 #11
yep- that's our justice system CincyDem May 2015 #15
But Brelo exited his car, got on top of Williams' car hood, and "fired at least 15 shots... red dog 1 May 2015 #19

Faux pas

(14,681 posts)
2. This is just
Sat May 23, 2015, 02:12 PM
May 2015

another revolting development in the continuing racial inequality that this country is drowning in.

 

Oktober

(1,488 posts)
5. Oh...
Sat May 23, 2015, 02:22 PM
May 2015

Immediately after the 20 miles of high speed chase... Huge difference I'm sure...

edit : 22 miles

From wikipedia

After 22 miles of fleeing, their vehicle was blocked in the rear of a school. Russell then rammed a patrol car and drove towards an officer on foot.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
8. No, juries very seldom convict police officers
Sat May 23, 2015, 02:27 PM
May 2015

Police officers seldom even get in front of juries in the first place. That doesn't make it ok.

Danascot

(4,690 posts)
9. There was no jury.
Sat May 23, 2015, 02:31 PM
May 2015

"Cuyahoga County Common Pleas Court Judge John O'Donnell found Brelo not guilty on two counts of manslaughter, ruling that he did not have probable cause to find that Brelo fired the fatal shots."
 

Oktober

(1,488 posts)
10. What is the significance of 137?
Sat May 23, 2015, 02:35 PM
May 2015

What number is too many?

How many rounds per officer or is this limit to be per responding officer?

If one guy fires more and another fires less do you average them?

Who sets that number?

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
12. I don't doubt you think 137 shots at a car is normal
Sat May 23, 2015, 02:41 PM
May 2015

but it's excessive. Nobody in that car was moving way way before that.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
14. This is a stupid repeat of every single gun argument
Sat May 23, 2015, 02:46 PM
May 2015

"How many guns is too many" and "How many bullets in one cartridge" etc. There is no specific number, but that doesn't mean that 137 isn't ridiculous. If a person has to ground their kid, we know that 6 weeks of having to stay in the same room is excessive even if we don't know whether 20 minutes or an hour or whatever was reasonable in any particular case. There was a similar high-speed chase with someone who was pointing a gun at police officers near me and there were 5 or 6 shots heard. At some point between 5 and 6, and 137, people are just emptying out their guns because it's fun to shoot them.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
18. Same as every argument
Sat May 23, 2015, 03:07 PM
May 2015

And it makes no more sense. Have you ever thought a police officer might have done the wrong thing?

CincyDem

(6,363 posts)
15. yep- that's our justice system
Sat May 23, 2015, 02:53 PM
May 2015


I'm not a lawyer and I don't play one on television, but...

Feels like he was charged too narrowly ?

From the way this reads, it sounds like the only way he would be guilty would be if they could prove that the bullet(s) that caused death came from his gun. Odds were pretty much on his side.

At the same time, it seems like we have a lot of guys in prison for "accessory to murder" who were outside in the car waiting or walking in a group with the shooter or hanging out in the same bar.

I wonder if there was a better way to charge him that might not have felt as spectacular (i.e. manslaughter) but would have allowed him to be guilty of some kind of felony.

red dog 1

(27,820 posts)
19. But Brelo exited his car, got on top of Williams' car hood, and "fired at least 15 shots...
Sun May 24, 2015, 07:44 PM
May 2015

...downward through the windshield into the victims at close range as he stood on the hood of Mr. Russell's car," Cayahoga County Prosecutor Timothy McGlinty said.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/23/us/cleveland-police-verdict/

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